Right Wing Folks, are you ready to join the adults?

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

An election never decides what's right, only what the majority population WANTS.

Even in a fake democracy, the people should get what they want once in a while, no?

Had the GOP lost the House, then you'd have a point here. Also, given the popular vote count, your 'adult' point is silly.

Still, I say rubber stamp all that the Dems want. YOu wanna see firsthand what the result will be? Be my guest. Just be sure to look in the mirror when bad things happen. If you're willing to be accountable, I'd tell the GOP to push it all through. Of course, NO Dem would be willing to do that. Without SOMEONE else to blame, Dems will never be bold or implement what they say they want.

Nice strawman. I did not argue for a 100% left agenda. I called out the righists that refuse to compromise, AT ALL.

Are you too daft to understand the difference, or just to dishonest to acknowledge reality?

[cutthemdown]

The right will compromise on some revenue increases for sure Fed. What they wont budge on is raising the marginal tax brackets. At least IMO they won't. What happens if they raise the marginal rate on the over 250 grand bracket and it doesn't fix anything? Govt will make some more revenue but it won't stimulate the economy and could even cost some jobs.

When it doesn't work they will come for those middle class brackets.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

Whatever asswipe............you have never been an adult or realist once on here...............47% believer ? Really ?

We voted democratic cause Romney wanted to go back to policies that put us in this mess and help the rich period.

House was kept by repubs mainly due to them tinkering with redisticting................I am surprised they found time to do that between voting to repeal Obamacare and ending abortion rights ?

Your party is a joke and should and was reputiated for their BS policies and games they play.

You realize before that it was the dems who gerrymandered in their favor right? it's just how it goes lil fella. The fact is though repubs looking very good to keep the house all 4 yrs of Obamas lame duck term.

They will bend on taxes just enough this first yr to make the people see they did some dealing. Then they will soften on immigration and help push reform through. In the meantime the economy will be stagnant if not pushed into another recession which they can then blame 100% on Obama. Things aren't as bad as liberals think. The reason is because even though they have some power right now they will screw it up. Just like Clinton screwed it up. Gore would have won for sure if not for Clinton deciding he had time to **** interns and get caught. Obama will blow it because he's not a smart economic leader.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

The right will compromise on some revenue increases for sure Fed. What they wont budge on is raising the marginal tax brackets. At least IMO they won't.

You keep saying that, and completely ignoring that almost all of them have pledged (and backed up with action, repeatedly) to do exactly the opposite.

You're also a fool if you think that cutting deductions won't affect the middle class. The vast bulks of deductions/credits are a.) mortgage b.) retirement c.) child welfare and d.) state sales/income tax and e.) charitable deductions.

Those are five things that are leveraged by the lower and middle classes and changes to those deductions will have a HUGE impact on those groups.

You think Mitt Romney will even notice if he can't keep the $10,000 deduction on his mortgage and a $16,000 deduction from his 401k? What about the family making $60,000? Think they'll notice? What about you?

Hint: the reason 47% of people (instead of significantly less) don't pay income tax is due to deductions not because they don't quality for any marginal rates.

What happens if they raise the marginal rate on the over 250 grand bracket and it doesn't fix anything? Govt will make some more revenue but it won't stimulate the economy and could even cost some jobs.

When it doesn't work they will come for those middle class brackets.

You're a fool if you think we'll close a ~1T deficit without causing economic damage on some level. What we have to do, what I've said a dozen times here, is work the problem from both sides over several years. Provide steady but manageable pressure until we fix the problem.

Huge, abrupt spending cuts = millions more in the unemployment lines (and essentially no savings because they'll be getting unemployment insurance and we'll be losing tax revenue to boot!)

Huge, abrupt tax increases would also be problematic -- more so unless they are targeted at the upper earners rather than the lower earners -- being that the lower earners purchasing power is what drives economic growth (not money sitting in Bain Capital's pockets)

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

They will bend on taxes just enough this first yr to make the people see they did some dealing. Then they will soften on immigration and help push reform through. In the meantime the economy will be stagnant if not pushed into another recession which they can then blame 100% on Obama. Things aren't as bad as liberals think. The reason is because even though they have some power right now they will screw it up. Just like Clinton screwed it up. Gore would have won for sure if not for Clinton deciding he had time to **** interns and get caught. Obama will blow it because he's not a smart economic leader.

The short version of the above: The Republicans will continue to work in their own interests instead of the interests of the country, and cutt approves.

[TonyR]

Great read, illustrating the stupidity of the Romney campaign and the GOP:

Last week, Mitt Romney-Paul Ryan became the first presidential ticket since 1972 to fail to carry the home states of either candidate. In 1972, George McGovern and Sargent Shriver carried neither South Dakota nor Maryland; last week, Romney and Ryan carried neither Massachusetts nor Wisconsin. Romney's chance in the very-blue Bay State was always slim. That made a running mate who could bring a swing state to the ticket especially important. But Ryan not only failed to carry his state, he failed to carry his own home county. This suggests Romney's choice of Ryan was the fatal mistake of his candidacy.

Many expected Romney to choose Sen. Rob Portman, who since the retirement of John Glenn has been Ohio's most respected politician. For Republicans, the relationship between carrying Ohio and winning the White House is not some closely guarded secret. Portman wanted to be on the Romney ticket; this presence would have given Republicans a terrific chance to win Ohio.

Equally important, as a moderate, Portman would have given the ticket appeal to independents and moderates. The Republican need to appeal to independents and moderates is not a carefully guarded secret, either. Obama drew more than 90 percent of the Democratic vote, Romney drew more than 90 percent of the Republican vote. The candidates basically split the independent-and-moderate vote. Because Democrats somewhat outnumber Republicans, Romney needed clear victory among independents and moderates. When he merely split those blocs, Obama retained the White House.

Ryan may be the economic genius he claims to be, or may be a self-promoting crackpot. But how could anyone think his finger-jabbing fact-inventing persona would appeal to the middle? Ryan didn't even appeal to his hometown! A Romney-Portman ticket could have presented itself as calm voices of reason and skill. The Romney-Ryan ticket presented itself an accomplished man plus a loose cannon.

Ryan may been a champion to the far-right base, but most members of the far-right base live in states the Republican ticket would have carried regardless. To top it off, Ryan simultaneously ran for vice president and for re-election to the House. This all but announced Ryan expected Romney to lose, and was in the campaign solely for self-promotion. When, in 1988, Michael Dukakis's running mate Lloyd Bentsen simultaneously ran for vice-president and for re-election to the Senate, then failed to carry his own state, the Democratic Party was widely ridiculed. This year, Republicans stepped on the same land mine.

If Romney had picked Portman, there's a good chance he would have carried Ohio, and his odds in Florida would have been better. Romney might today be preparing for his inauguration. That he did not pick Portman suggests Romney has poor political instincts -- which means he shouldn't be president.

http://espn.go.com/espn/playbook/sto...g-playoff-race

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Great read, illustrating the stupidity of the Romney campaign and the GOP:


http://espn.go.com/espn/playbook/sto...g-playoff-race

I remember saying on this forum the day he picked Ryan that he had lost the election.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

An election never decides what's right,

You can't think of one US election where the 'right thing' was accomplished?

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

The right will compromise on some revenue increases for sure Fed. What they wont budge on is raising the marginal tax brackets. At least IMO they won't. What happens if they raise the marginal rate on the over 250 grand bracket and it doesn't fix anything? Govt will make some more revenue but it won't stimulate the economy and could even cost some jobs.

When it doesn't work they will come for those middle class brackets.

Jan 1st taxrates are going up for rich people.....count on it.

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

You realize before that it was the dems who gerrymandered in their favor right? it's just how it goes lil fella. The fact is though repubs looking very good to keep the house all 4 yrs of Obamas lame duck term.

They will bend on taxes just enough this first yr to make the people see they did some dealing. Then they will soften on immigration and help push reform through. In the meantime the economy will be stagnant if not pushed into another recession which they can then blame 100% on Obama. Things aren't as bad as liberals think. The reason is because even though they have some power right now they will screw it up. Just like Clinton screwed it up. Gore would have won for sure if not for Clinton deciding he had time to **** interns and get caught. Obama will blow it because he's not a smart economic leader.

This guy and his type are the problem...he just said so /\


Hillary Clinton will take over for BARACK and your side has not one politician to rival Clinton's popularity and you know it...........your screwd for 8-12 years dude.

Have fun with that and **** off.

We won your side lost.

Don't keep on with this ignorance !

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

This is real simple folks..... "there are more people in the wagon than pulling the wagon" and they voted to keep their ass on unemployment and in the bread lines.

You're just as out of touch with reality as the morons who predicted a Romney landslide - probably because you get your "facts" from the same sources.

It's because of delusional idiots like you that your party is on a countdown to extinction.

[TonyR]

Too many people have spent the past four years obsessed with birth certificates. Now they are obsessed with voter fraud conspiracies, talk of secession, and supposed election changing news stories if only we had known. So let’s add dabblers in this latest nuttiness to birthers as a category of people we do not welcome at RedState. Our aim is to beat the Democrats, not beat a retreat to a Confederacy that Generals Grant and Sherman rent asunder well over a hundred years ago. Even here at RedState, while we may not much care for him, President Obama is still our President and we are still quite happily citizens of the United States. If we must drain this fever swamp that’s taken hold of a few people on the right over this past week before we can drain the swamp in Washington, so be it."

- Erick Erickson

http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/13/i...come-mat-here/