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Rock Chalk · 11-11-2012, 02:12 PM

I have a question on statistics rules.

Miller recorded only one sack today, in the first quarter. They dont call that car crash in the second half when he just plowed into Cam a sack? And when you force a fumble on the QB, I thought that was a sack-fumble?

Can I get the resident rules guru's to clarify?

TheReverend · 11-11-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

I have a question on statistics rules.

Miller recorded only one sack today, in the first quarter. They dont call that car crash in the second half when he just plowed into Cam a sack? And when you force a fumble on the QB, I thought that was a sack-fumble?

Can I get the resident rules guru's to clarify?

The FF, is a sack... When it's on a QB and not Jonathan Stewart...

Tim · 11-11-2012, 02:15 PM

Cam was a runner on the second one so it was just a tfl.

Al Wilson · 11-11-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim

Cam was a runner on the second one so it was just a tfl.

So it's not a sack ?

gyldenlove · 11-11-2012, 02:20 PM

The NFL will review plays like this and adjust stats tomorrow, they evaluate especially if tackles on a QB is a tackle for loss because it was a designed run play or if it is a sack on an emergency scramble.

Tim · 11-11-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Wilson

So it's not a sack ?

For now, no. But the league reviews games so I wouldn't be surprised to see a different outcome since he met him as soon as he got the ball

Smilin Assassin · 11-11-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim

For now, no. But the league reviews games so I wouldn't be surprised to see a different outcome since he met him as soon as he got the ball

Naw, it was clear Cam was running towards the line of scrimmage on that play when Von trucked him.

The first one still stands as a sack, though, leaving him .5 behind Watt for the NFL lead (10.5).

Of course, Watt may get 7 tonight vs that line. We shall see.

broncosteven · 11-11-2012, 02:27 PM

Miller had 3 Plays on Mewton at or behind the LOS, and forced at least 2 bad throws one of which that caused an INT.

He was a complete stud in all phases today.

Vickerson had some nice plays today as well, he had a sack and had a run stop on Stewart that had he not been able to escape his block and bring Stewart down, it would have gone for a long gain.

Tim · 11-11-2012, 02:33 PM

Yep game ball to miller despite what the stat sheet reads imo

GreatBronco16 · 11-11-2012, 02:33 PM

I allways thought that if the QB was tackled behind the LOS, then is goes down as a sack, regardless if it is a designed run or not.

Hercules Rockefeller · 11-11-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GreatBronco16

I allways thought that if the QB was tackled behind the LOS, then is goes down as a sack, regardless if it is a designed run or not.

Nope. If it's clear he's a runner and it's not a pass play, only a TFL.

Rock Chalk · 11-11-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

The FF, is a sack... When it's on a QB and not Jonathan Stewart...

Yeah I got the Dumervil forced fumble mixed up with Von's on Stewart.

Still, not sure about the when he plowed into Cam. Cam may have been running but I think that was a direct result of Von being right in his face almost as soon as he got the ball.

gyldenlove · 11-11-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

Yeah I got the Dumervil forced fumble mixed up with Von's on Stewart.

Still, not sure about the when he plowed into Cam. Cam may have been running but I think that was a direct result of Von being right in his face almost as soon as he got the ball.

If the QB runs to escape pressure they tend to count it as a sack, this one could be changed tomorrow morning.

SportinOne · 11-11-2012, 02:52 PM

as NFL fans, we get really hung up on certain stats. Sacks is a huge one but very deceiving at times in terms of overall performance. If you watched this game today, you would know that Von was playing at an extremely high level. He's tough, too. Got demolished on that block and got right back up, got his ankle smashed on by Vickerson of all people and was only out a few plays.

Smilin Assassin · 11-11-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SportinOne

as NFL fans, we get really hung up on certain stats. Sacks is a huge one but very deceiving at times in terms of overall performance. If you watched this game today, you would know that Von was playing at an extremely high level. He's tough, too. Got demolished on that block and got right back up, got his ankle smashed on by Vickerson of all people and was only out a few plays.

I think we (Broncos fans) can see him ballin out there. But, sacks have always been one of those "Big stats". Not just for the fans, but media as well.

Would be nice to see Von get that crown at yrs end. (along with a Super Bowl ring)

Rock Chalk · 11-11-2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SportinOne

as NFL fans, we get really hung up on certain stats. Sacks is a huge one but very deceiving at times in terms of overall performance. If you watched this game today, you would know that Von was playing at an extremely high level. He's tough, too. Got demolished on that block and got right back up, got his ankle smashed on by Vickerson of all people and was only out a few plays.

1 sack ro 2, Von Miller is likely to get defensive plaer of the week. 4 TFLs, 1 QB hit, like 8 QB pressures one of which led to a pick six and good lord he was just unblockable.

I was just wondering how the stat thing worked in certain situations.

Harvitz81 · 11-11-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

1 sack ro 2, Von Miller is likely to get defensive plaer of the week. 4 TFLs, 1 QB hit, like 8 QB pressures one of which led to a pick six and good lord he was just unblockable.

I was just wondering how the stat thing worked in certain situations.

Forced fumble in there as well

SonOfLe-loLang · 11-11-2012, 04:01 PM

The second "sack" def looked like a designed run. I dont think cam adjusted on the fly. I dont recall him even dropping back. Regardless, sweet play by Von

Kaylore · 11-11-2012, 05:00 PM

This explains my confusion as well. I was hoping it was two or three sacks. When I saw he got just one I had a sad.

DHallblows · 11-11-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Nope. If it's clear he's a runner and it's not a pass play, only a TFL.

Sounds arbitrary

Bronc62 · 11-14-2012, 06:23 PM

I thought Von might have an outside shot of picking up an extra sack on the play where he nailed Newton barely after he received the shotgun snap, but only D. Ware of Cowboys had a sack revision today by Elias Sports.

http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com...wednesday.html

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11-11-2012, 02:15 PM	#3
Tim First round bye Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,066 Adopt-a-Bronco: DRC	Cam was a runner on the second one so it was just a tfl.

11-11-2012, 02:20 PM	#5
gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,014 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	The NFL will review plays like this and adjust stats tomorrow, they evaluate especially if tackles on a QB is a tackle for loss because it was a designed run play or if it is a sack on an emergency scramble.

11-11-2012, 02:27 PM	#8
broncosteven The Kranz Dictum MWA: Flight Director Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 29,008 Adopt-a-Bronco: MONEYBALL #38	Miller had 3 Plays on Mewton at or behind the LOS, and forced at least 2 bad throws one of which that caused an INT. He was a complete stud in all phases today. Vickerson had some nice plays today as well, he had a sack and had a run stop on Stewart that had he not been able to escape his block and bring Stewart down, it would have gone for a long gain.

11-11-2012, 02:33 PM	#9
Tim First round bye Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,066 Adopt-a-Bronco: DRC	Yep game ball to miller despite what the stat sheet reads imo

11-11-2012, 02:33 PM	#10
GreatBronco16 !!!TEAM!!! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bama Baby Posts: 5,846 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Defense	I allways thought that if the QB was tackled behind the LOS, then is goes down as a sack, regardless if it is a designed run or not.

11-11-2012, 02:52 PM	#14
SportinOne Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,422	as NFL fans, we get really hung up on certain stats. Sacks is a huge one but very deceiving at times in terms of overall performance. If you watched this game today, you would know that Von was playing at an extremely high level. He's tough, too. Got demolished on that block and got right back up, got his ankle smashed on by Vickerson of all people and was only out a few plays.

11-11-2012, 04:01 PM	#18
SonOfLe-loLang Young Buck Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 13,211 Adopt-a-Bronco: Thunder (RIP)	The second "sack" def looked like a designed run. I dont think cam adjusted on the fly. I dont recall him even dropping back. Regardless, sweet play by Von

11-11-2012, 05:00 PM	#19
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,008 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	This explains my confusion as well. I was hoping it was two or three sacks. When I saw he got just one I had a sad.

11-14-2012, 06:23 PM	#21
Bronc62 Solid Starter Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 153 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I thought Von might have an outside shot of picking up an extra sack on the play where he nailed Newton barely after he received the shotgun snap, but only D. Ware of Cowboys had a sack revision today by Elias Sports. http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com...wednesday.html