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Old 11-07-2012, 12:03 PM   #676
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I can buy that a white Democratic candidate might have pulled a few percentage points less of the black vote, but not overwhelmingly so, and I'm not sure I buy it all with regards to Hispanics. First the obvious reason: they aren't black, so it's doubtful many voted Obama for that reason. Second, right-wing rhetoric on immigration has gotten more hostile in the last few years, and so that's why you see a decrease in the Republican haul with that demographic. Bush was fairly moderate on immigration, so he was able to achieve a better number. I get what you're saying, but I think it's a little more complex than simply as race thing.
I never mentioned Hispanics. Re-read slower, bud.
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I'm using someone as popular as Clinton was to show the disparity. Even with that conservative figure, it's consistent with the rest of the minority groups and more than enough to swing the election which creates the logical conclusion:

If Barack were white, Romney would have won.

Sad to see 2012 being treated like 1932.

And no, I'm certainly not defending the people you finished your post in reference to. They belong in the same category of shame.
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"Only" 82%? That sounds like a high percentage to me. The bottom line is, blacks overwhelming support Democrats....black, white or other, and they have done so for decades. I don't doubt there were blacks who voted for Obama because he's black, and that's unfortunate, but I think the numbers have more to do with party affiliation than race. Also, I can assure you there were plenty of whites who merely voted against Obama because they believe he's a black nationalist socialist from Kenya. I live and work amongst them.
Yeah..dude...that state you live in is a ****hole of a state. I moved away from the south to get away from those a-holes.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:08 PM   #679
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You're only citing opposition to GW Bush WHILE simultaneously ignoring voter turnout.

As popular as Bill Clinton was (especially in the black community), even he only netted 82%.

I'm sorry, but there's nothing defensible about this. It happened and no one should view it as acceptable.
Get over it. Your defense of the majority of whites voting for the white candidate is standard as opposed to the majority of blacks voting for the black candidate is ****ing unacceptable is an attempt to make your anger look like it's due to a situation rather than the outcome. Personally I think each person voted for the candidate that was best for them and overall the country. I don't know if that's true anymore than you know why they voted for them.
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Tailgate nut just left me a neg rep calling me a greedy POS mormon. lol
And Ol #7 just left me a neg rep too.

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Old 11-07-2012, 12:10 PM   #681
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Tailgate nut just left me a neg rep calling me a greedy POS mormon. lol
Hey Leo p***Y, participate or get a life loser. You might be the most emotional woman on the planet.


A word on Mormons as well. I haven't worked with all of them, but every one that I've ever worked with was a hard working non-complaining super-star in the work place.
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Get over it. Your defense of the majority of whites voting for the white candidate is standard as opposed to the majority of blacks voting for the black candidate is ****ing unacceptable is an attempt to make your anger look like it's due to a situation rather than the outcome. Personally I think each person voted for the candidate that was best for them and overall the country. I don't know if that's true anymore than you know why they voted for them.
You continue to spew the dumbest **** I've ever read.

Let me ask you a question and really step back and think about it:

If voter demos were out, and Romney won because 93% of white people had voted for him, what do you think the backlash would be? Or would it be "okay" because "not all" of them voted by racial lines?

Would it just be me here complaining about racism? Or would it be the cover of every ****ing news outlet in the first world?
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...FLOORED that you read that and felt like that's supporting evidence
I'm floored that you're floored. Where's your evidence? We should take your opinion over a study cited by the AP?!? (And I notice you altogether avoided the 8 links to "supporting evidence" that Miss I provided to contradict a previous comment of yours.) You're free to think that Obama won only, or primarily, because of the color of his skin. I'm free to disagree, and note the common sense idea that he loses as many, or more, votes for being black than he gains from it.
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I'm floored that you're floored. Where's your evidence? We should take your opinion over a study cited by the AP?!? (And I notice you altogether avoided the 8 links to "supporting evidence" that Miss I provided to contradict a previous comment of yours.) You're free to think that Obama won only, or primarily, because of the color of his skin. I'm free to disagree, and note the common sense idea that he loses as many, or more, votes for being black than he gains from it.
See previous post, and I ignored Miss I because she posted those links 2 dozen pages ago and they've been discussed.

enjolras brought something new to the table and I conceded it.

You need to learn how to make a valid point if you want concessions out of people instead of standing up for racism like you're doing.
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Wrong. I have no pre-existing bias. You do. You're extremely vocal about your values in the WRP forum that have a tendency to follow liberal party lines pretty closely.

I do not. I'm NOT conservative nor liberal. I'm conservative in economic and foreign policy while being extremely liberal in social issues. I supported Romney because I don't feel Barack came through on the social reform he promised 4 years ago.

I think my liberalism in social issues is precisely WHY I'm so stunned and disgusted right now.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:21 PM   #687
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Does anyone really think this? I think most everyone worth listening to knows it has to be both spending and revenues.
It's nothing more than a temporary band-aid.
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You need to learn how to make a valid point if you want concessions out of people instead of standing up for racism like you're doing.
I'm not sure why my point isn't valid. Perhaps because it disagrees with yours? I gave you a study which directly contradicts what you're suggesting!

As for standing up for racism, I asked you previously about the clearly racist voting results in the south. Do you think those results are any less racist than the percentage of blacks voting for Obama?

Inferno provided some pretty good numbers how blacks always vote overwhelmingly for the Dem candidate. I don't think it's all that surprising those numbers go up for a black candidate. Is it a little troubling? Perhaps. But I don't know that it's much more troubling than Romney winning every state in the south (except perhaps Florida? and Virginia if you consider that "south"?) by a large margin. Go look at an electoral map. It's ridiculous! Shouldn't Obama do well in at least some of those states because of their large black populations? And shouldn't the fact that he doesn't suggest that almost all of the whites are voting against him?
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See previous post, and I ignored Miss I because she posted those links 2 dozen pages ago and they've been discussed.

enjolras brought something new to the table and I conceded it.

You need to learn how to make a valid point if you want concessions out of people instead of standing up for racism like you're doing.
What are you talking about? I posted the links on the page previous to this one. If you are talking about the two links I posted much earlier in the thread, this time I picked specific article links referencing things specific to the topic about gays and also some related to initiatives helping women. One was actually the Wikipedia reference to the repeal of Don't Ask don't tell that he signed. Another was about anti-hate crime legislation, etc.

The links I posted earlier were everything he's done. this time I pulled things relevant to your post specifically.

Enjolras mentioned Don't Ask Don't tell, so did I. Not sure how it's different, but okay.
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I'm not sure why my point isn't valid. Perhaps because it disagrees with yours? I gave you a study which directly contradicts what you're suggesting!

As for standing up for racism, I asked you previously about the clearly racist voting results in the south. Do you think those results are any less racist than the percentage of blacks voting for Obama?

Inferno provided some pretty good numbers how blacks always vote overwhelmingly for the Dem candidate. I don't think it's all that surprising those numbers go up for a black candidate. Is it a little troubling? Perhaps. But I don't know that it's much more troubling than Romney winning every state in the south (except perhaps Florida? and Virginia if you consider that "south"?) by a large margin. Go look at an electoral map. It's ridiculous! Shouldn't Obama do well in at least some of those states because of their large black populations? And shouldn't the fact that he doesn't suggest that almost all of the whites are voting against him?
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1. Your "study" doesn't even resemble a study.

2. Inferno provided skewed data which he admitted it was to a degree.

3. You show me ONE STATE where 93% of Caucasians voted Romney, let alone the entire nation... I highly doubt you could even find 1 county.

You go ahead and tell me what that indicates.
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Exiting this discussion now.

The way some of you are propping up your partisan doctrine over equality is genuinely disgusting me to undreamt of heights.

I hope you get what's coming to you in regards to supporting these levels of prejudice.
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No, idiot. History's shown a 59% to 41% is pretty standard for Caucasians regardless of candidates race.

93% is ****ing wrong.
A white privileged Republican that demonized the black demographic with code words and such.... and oh... he's Mormon. Let's just double down shall we. It's not rocket science here.

I just want to know who the 7% are.
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Exiting this discussion now.
Wise choice, perhaps your first of this thread. You should have exited long ago. You're getting destroyed. You didn't even appear to know about DADT and you're a military guy for crying out loud.
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Wise choice, perhaps your first of this thread. You should have exited long ago. You're getting destroyed. You didn't even appear to know about DADT and you're a military guy for crying out loud.
I can't believe I'm letting you bait me, but sincerely, this is my LAST post on the subject:

Destroyed? You're claiming that 93% of a populace voting along racial lines ISNT racism. If it's not, then the only conclusion is that you believe black people are fundamentally different than whites.

Either is equally racist (the very DEFINITION of it) and disgusting. Hope your political agendas are worth openly bankrupt values and double standards.
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I'm glad that was the extent of the logic and justification for 13% of the electorate.
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I don't think there's any doubt that the politics of association are strong and are a massive problem, but it does not account for the following:

Romney managed only 44% of the women in this country.
75% of Latinos went for Obama
73% of Asians went for Obama

And then there was Romney's focus during this campaign:
Not that Team Romney was shocked by the electorate's racial divisions, of course, as it had intentionally banked on courting the majority of the white vote and ignoring minorities: "Romney's camp is focused intently on capturing at least 61 percent of white voters," noted the National Journal in August. "That would provide him a slim national majority-so long as whites constitute at least 74 percent of the vote, as they did last time, and Obama doesn't improve on his 80 percent showing with minorities." As we know now, things didn't work out as they planned.

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Didnt read it all as I skipped to the last page seeing why this was moved...now I know for obvious reasons. So I take it that the discussion is whites, in a huge majority, will vote for a candidate based on their political beliefs and not teir skin color while a black will either vote for color of their own or that they vote for DEMS no matter what at a 93% clip. I do know they re-elected a DC Mayor after he was in prison for cocaine use. Interesting fun. Carry on.

The finale is good luck getting a black to vote Republican. Even when blacks prospered under Reagan for black businesses, they did not vote Republican in spite of those facts. Blacks vote Democrat no matter what. Difference at least in 2008 is that blacks voted for their very first time because they had a president running that was their same skin color.
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As for standing up for racism, I asked you previously about the clearly racist voting results in the south. Do you think those results are any less racist than the percentage of blacks voting for Obama?
This election was also about the future of gay marriage in this country. That's enough to get the south out in droves. The fact that the blacks chose to vote for race over an issue that so many in the south oppose is quite telling.
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