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Old 11-07-2012, 10:17 AM   #651
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And I think this thread has run its course.


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Old 11-07-2012, 10:43 AM   #652
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I've evolved on this thread. Decided to move it and reopen. Happy bickering!

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Old 11-07-2012, 10:54 AM   #654
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Democrats think they can tax their way out of this mess...
Does anyone really think this? I think most everyone worth listening to knows it has to be both spending and revenues.
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Does anyone really think this? I think most everyone worth listening to knows it has to be both spending and revenues.
And a lot of patience.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:57 AM   #656
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...I don't feel Barack came through on the social reform he promised 4 years ago.
Although Obama hasn't necessarily directly championed them, huge strides have been made on gay rights over the last few years. What other social reform were you hoping for?
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:59 AM   #657
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93% is ****ing wrong.
89% of blacks voted for Kerry in 2004, Gore got 90% in 2000. In other words, the 93% is simply a reflection of the overwhelming support the black community generally gives to Deomcratic Presidential candidates. A white Democratic candidate would have carried a similar number of that demographic.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:03 AM   #658
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Does anyone really think this? I think most everyone worth listening to knows it has to be both spending and revenues.
Only Glenn Beck's minions - and the voters rejected them last night.
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89% of blacks voted for Kerry in 2004, Gore got 90% in 2000. In other words, the 93% is simply a reflection of the overwhelming support the black community generally gives to Deomcratic Presidential candidates. A white Democratic candidate would have carried a similar number of that demographic.
You're only citing opposition to GW Bush WHILE simultaneously ignoring voter turnout.

As popular as Bill Clinton was (especially in the black community), even he only netted 82%.

I'm sorry, but there's nothing defensible about this. It happened and no one should view it as acceptable.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:08 AM   #660
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Although Obama hasn't necessarily directly championed them, huge strides have been made on gay rights over the last few years. What other social reform were you hoping for?
How about "Any"? The only gay rights strides have come from states' initiatves.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:19 AM   #661
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:20 AM   #662
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It was absolutely nightmarish, between universal healthcare, free university education, social security and government subsidies I was lucky to survive to adolescence, let alone to adulthood.
That's post of the year material right there...
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How about "Any"? The only gay rights strides have come from states' initiatves.
Miss the whole repeal of "Don't ask don't tell"?
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:33 AM   #665
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Miss the whole repeal of "Don't ask don't tell"?
That's absolutely a fair example. Repped for correcting me.

This is beside the point.

I'm not upset about the result, I'm upset about how the result came to pass.
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You're only citing opposition to GW Bush WHILE simultaneously ignoring voter turnout.

As popular as Bill Clinton was (especially in the black community), even he only netted 82%.

I'm sorry, but there's nothing defensible about this. It happened and no one should view it as acceptable.
"Only" 82%? That sounds like a high percentage to me. The bottom line is, blacks overwhelming support Democrats....black, white or other, and they have done so for decades. I don't doubt there were blacks who voted for Obama because he's black, and that's unfortunate, but I think the numbers have more to do with party affiliation than race. Also, I can assure you there were plenty of whites who merely voted against Obama because they believe he's a black nationalist socialist from Kenya. I live and work amongst them.
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"Only" 82%? That sounds like a high percentage to me. The bottom line is, blacks overwhelming support Democrats....black, white or other, and they have done so for decades. I don't doubt there were blacks who voted for Obama because he's black, and that's unfortunate, but I think the numbers have more to do with party affiliation than race. Also, I can assure you there were plenty of whites who merely voted against Obama because they believe he's a black nationalist socialist from Kenya. I live and work amongst them.
I'm using someone as popular as Clinton was to show the disparity. Even with that conservative figure, it's consistent with the rest of the minority groups and more than enough to swing the election which creates the logical conclusion:

If Barack were white, Romney would have won.

Sad to see 2012 being treated like 1932.

And no, I'm certainly not defending the people you finished your post in reference to. They belong in the same category of shame.
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I feel sorry for Obama. He's got to clean up the mess from the last president. That's a tall task.
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If Barack were white, Romney would have won.
Well, no. I'll look for a link, but I saw a study last week that shows Obama gains 3% from the black vote, but loses 5% from the white anti-black vote, for a net loss of 2%. So if true, if Obama was white he'd win in a landslide.
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Well, no. I'll look for a link, but I saw a study last week that shows Obama gains 3% from the black vote, but loses 5% from the white anti-black vote, for a net loss of 2%. So if true, if Obama was white he'd win in a landslide.
Can't wait for you to find this "source".
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This thread is clearly not going as you had hoped...

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Overall, the survey found that by virtue of racial prejudice, Obama could lose 5 percentage points off his share of the popular vote in his Nov. 6 contest against Republican challenger Mitt Romney. However, Obama also stands to benefit from a 3 percentage point gain due to pro-black sentiment, researchers said. Overall, that means an estimated net loss of 2 percentage points due to anti-black attitudes.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-po...against-blacks

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I'm using someone as popular as Clinton was to show the disparity. Even with that conservative figure, it's consistent with the rest of the minority groups and more than enough to swing the election which creates the logical conclusion:

If Barack were white, Romney would have won.

Sad to see 2012 being treated like 1932.

And no, I'm certainly not defending the people you finished your post in reference to. They belong in the same category of shame.
I can buy that a white Democratic candidate might have pulled a few percentage points less of the black vote, but not overwhelmingly so, and I'm not sure I buy it all with regards to Hispanics. First the obvious reason: they aren't black, so it's doubtful many voted Obama for that reason. Second, right-wing rhetoric on immigration has gotten more hostile in the last few years, and so that's why you see a decrease in the Republican haul with that demographic. Bush was fairly moderate on immigration, so he was able to achieve a better number. I get what you're saying, but I think it's a little more complex than simply as race thing.
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This thread is clearly not going as you had hoped...

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-po...against-blacks

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...FLOORED that you read that and felt like that's supporting evidence
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