Florida Early Voting a Success for Gov Scott

[Kid A]

In the 2008 election, black voters in Florida cast early ballots at twice the rate of white voters, the difference in Obama winning that state.

So, Republican Gov. Rick Scott and GOP Legislature eliminated half the early days (six of them), including the Sunday before Election Day when black congregations would traditionally mobilize their people to the polls, especially people without transport.

And this bold act of governance has been a success! Yesterday, the final day of early voting under the new laws, saw 6-7 hour waiting lines to vote!



Huh, doesn't look like much of Romney crowd does it? Kinda looks more like a working class group that might not be able to get off work on a weekday for two or three hours on a Tuesday. Better make sure they really want to vote!

[chadta]

you guys have to take time off to vote ?

its law up here everybody must have 4 consecutive hours off during polling hours on election day, i just assumed you had something similar, learn something new everyday.

[Kid A]

Tuesday voting is a disaster in terms of voter turnout. And it all goes back to an obscure 1800's law for rural farmers taking day long trips on horse and buggy to the county seat to vote.

There's been some push to change it to a weekend day:

http://www.whytuesday.org/

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by Kid A

Tuesday voting is a disaster in terms of voter turnout. And it all goes back to an obscure 1800's law for rural farmers taking day long trips on horse and buggy to the county seat to vote.

There's been some push to change it to a weekend day:

http://www.whytuesday.org/

There should be no early voting, we should all just vote for an entire week. Polls open 7-7 Sunday-Thursday and 7-11 Friday and Saturday.

[Kid A]

Originally Posted by houghtam

There should be no early voting, we should all just vote for an entire week. Polls open 7-7 Sunday-Thursday and 7-11 Friday and Saturday.

I think right now the issue with that is budget and logistics. Plus each state running their election in different ways. Early voting is usually limited to far fewer locations than Election Day, when there are a ton of locations and machines set up, staff running the operation, etc. Having all that set up in all those places for a full week would raise the cost of running the election. But probably worth having a public discussion about doing something like that; maybe that full week is limited to fewer locations.

And, of course, there are states like Oregon where it is only mail in balloting, which has benefits, but I can't see being popular with a lot of Americans.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Kid A

In the 2008 election, black voters in Florida cast early ballots at twice the rate of white voters, the difference in Obama winning that state.

So, Republican Gov. Rick Scott and GOP Legislature eliminated half the early days (six of them), including the Sunday before Election Day when black congregations would traditionally mobilize their people to the polls, especially people without transport.

And this bold act of governance has been a success! Yesterday, the final day of early voting under the new laws, saw 6-7 hour waiting lines to vote!



Huh, doesn't look like much of Romney crowd does it? Kinda looks more like a working class group that might not be able to get off work on a weekday for two or three hours on a Tuesday. Better make sure they really want to vote!

These GOP Nazis know voter suppression and fraud is the only way they can win.

2000 and 2004 were all the proof anyone could possibly need.

It's just a demographic fact that the snake handlers, uneducated, confederate crackers and rich 1%ers who comprise the GOP base are a minority.

[sisterhellfyre]

Originally Posted by Kid A

And, of course, there are states like Oregon where it is only mail in balloting, which has benefits, but I can't see being popular with a lot of Americans.

Voting by mail is extremely popular here in Oregon. We generally get the ballots about 3 weeks before the final election day, and fill them out at our convenience when we have time & opportunity to think about it for the positions we really want. As long as the ballots are postmarked by midnight of the actual election day, they count.

In addition to mailing them back or bringing them back to official polling stations, there are also secured ballot drop boxes in a number of places around each city and around the state. The nearest ballot drop box in my neighborhood is in the parking lot of a Goodwill store, about 6 blocks from my house. No worries,no fuss, no postage necessary: take the dog for a walk, drop the ballots in the box, and I'm done for the year. :-)

[Garcia Bronco]

I see no problem with waiting several hours to vote. Its the least I can do.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I see no problem with waiting several hours to vote. Its the least I can do.

I'm sure people's children and employers have a different opinion than you do.

What are your feelings on Tim Husted in Ohio going all the way to the Supreme Court to shrink early voting hours, and after being turned down, refusing to follow the judge's directives? What are your feelings on Rick Scott's crusade to shorten voting hours?

Is liberty a game to you? Do long lines help or hinder people's right to vote?

[Kid A]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...-vote/264506/#

No One in America Should Have to Wait 7 Hours to Vote

No matter who wins the presidential race, no matter which party controls Congress, can we at least agree as reasonable adults that when it comes to voting itself the election of 2012 is a national disgrace? We ask our sons and daughters, our husbands and wives, to give their lives abroad for noble concepts like "freedom" and "democracy." And yet we are content as a nation, and as a people, to tolerate another cycle of election rules that require our fellow citizens to sacrifice a measure of basic human dignity simply to exercise their right to vote.

For example, what happened this weekend in Florida is simply unacceptable. According to a local election official interviewed by CBS News' Phil Hirschkorn, the last "early voter" in line for Saturday's truncated early voting in Palm Beach County finally got to cast a ballot at 2:30 a.m Sunday morning, which means that voter waited in line for more than seven hours. In Miami, another traditional Democratic stronghold, the wait was said to be nearly as long. On Sunday, voters all over the state were begging judges and county officials for more time to vote.

This is happening not because of a natural disaster or breakdown in machinery. It is happening by partisan design. Alarmed by the strong Democratic turnout in early voting in 2008, Republican lawmakers, including Governor Rick Scott, reduced the number of early voting days from 14 to eight.

...


How about Ohio, another "battleground" state governed by partisan fiat. Its election rules are administered by a secretary of state, Jon Husted, who just a few years ago was the GOP speaker of the state house. Like their counterparts in Florida, Ohio's Republican lawmakers sought to restrict wildly popular early-voting hours around the state. And again the federal courts blunted the impact of their new rules. So what has Husted done? He's focused his energy this weekend ginning up ways to justify discarding provisional ballots cast by his fellow citizens.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by Kid A

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...-vote/264506/#

But Garcia Bronco thinks it builds character.

Puts hair on your chest, like a strong coffee.

[chadta]

Really ?

Over in the middle east they people risk being shot for the chance to vote, and you are going to complain about lines ?

That being said, anybody doing anything that would make the lines longer, or block people from voting should be banned from running for anything ever again, but expecting people to prove they are who they say they are is not blocking them, if you need to prove age to buy beer or smokes, why should you be able to vote without proving identity. We should encourage people to vote, and make it as easy as possible for as many people as possible to vote. I still cant believe we dont have internet voting yet.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by chadta

Really ?

Over in the middle east they people risk being shot for the chance to vote, and you are going to complain about lines ?

That being said, anybody doing anything that would make the lines longer, or block people from voting should be banned from running for anything ever again, but expecting people to prove they are who they say they are is not blocking them, if you need to prove age to buy beer or smokes, why should you be able to vote without proving identity. We should encourage people to vote, and make it as easy as possible for as many people as possible to vote. I still cant believe we dont have internet voting yet.

You really think we're complaining about long lines just to complain?

Come on.

If there were long lines, and election officials had done everything in their power to accommodate the electorate that voted them into office, that would be one thing. But, as has been pointed out for months on end, Republican officials in several battleground states, including Ohio and Florida, as well as places that are solidly blue like Pennsylvania, have repeatedly tried to shrink voting hours and make it harder to vote.

It is well-documented, not just in the media (I know you're from Canada so that may not get to you), but on this board, time and time again.

[chadta]

Originally Posted by houghtam

You really think we're complaining about long lines just to complain?

Come on.

If there were long lines, and election officials had done everything in their power to accommodate the electorate that voted them into office, that would be one thing. But, as has been pointed out for months on end, Republican officials in several battleground states, including Ohio and Florida, as well as places that are solidly blue like Pennsylvania, have repeatedly tried to shrink voting hours and make it harder to vote.

It is well-documented, not just in the media (I know you're from Canada so that may not get to you), but on this board, time and time again.

which is why I included the second part of that comment, but I would hardly call requiring ID making it harder to vote tho, and from what I understand up here that is all that has been done in PA.

[Blart]

Even white, male landowners have to wait 8+ hours to vote! The founders would be upset.

Originally Posted by chadta

but I would hardly call requiring ID making it harder to vote tho

You don't know very many elderly/poor people.

[chadta]

Originally Posted by Blart

You don't know very many elderly/poor people.

my wife's 96 year old grandmother who is up on a ladder cleaning the gutters every time we visit would disagree, she still has ID tho, and you have to have ID to apply for welfare up here, seems pretty fair to me.

What is so wrong with having to prove who you are ?

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by chadta

which is why I included the second part of that comment, but I would hardly call requiring ID making it harder to vote tho, and from what I understand up here that is all that has been done in PA.

You understand wrong.

March 14: Gov. Tom Corbett signs voter ID legislation. Voters without valid photo ID need paper copy of birth certificate with raised seal, Social Security card, two proofs of residence (such as a utility bill) to obtain $13.50 PennDOT non-driver ID that can be used for voting.

April 18: Department of State announces Pennsylvania residents can use expired driver's licenses or non-voter IDs, (without showing a birth certificate) to get non-driver ID for voting.

April 24: Voters are asked to show ID in primary election, but aren't prohibited from voting if they don't have one in "dry run" for November.

May 1: Voting rights groups file legal challenge to voter ID law.

May 23: State announces Pennsylvania natives who can't produce their birth certificates can have them verified electronically by the Department of Health, without paying $10 fee to get a copy, through PennDOT driver's license centers. After 10 days, applicants must return to PennDOT license center with letter confirming their Pennsylvania birth, a Social Security card and two proofs of residence to obtain non-driver ID.

July 20: Pennsylvania announces new Department of State voting-only ID cards will be made available in August for free to registered voters who never had Pennsylvania driver's licenses, were born in Pennsylvania but lack a Social Security card, or were born in other states and cannot produce birth certificates or Social Security cards. Applicants need only provide their Social Security number, date of birth and two proofs of residence. New ID to be issued on day of application.

Aug. 15: Commonwealth Court Judge Robert E. Simpson upholds voter ID law, denies injunction to set it aside for November election.

Aug. 27: New Department of State ID made available. Voters must still provide two proofs of residence, but requirement is relaxed to allow applicants to bring someone who can attest to their residency if they can't produce utility bills or other proof of address.

Sept. 14: Department of State confirms that Pennsylvania-born voters with Social Security cards and no birth certificates can have their births certified while they wait, eliminating two-trip requirement to get free PennDOT ID.

Sept. 18: Pennsylvania Supreme Court orders Simpson to reconsider his decision and determine whether the state is getting new IDs to all registered voters who need them.

Sept. 25: State announces all registered voters can now obtain state's voting-only ID by providing name, date of birth and Social Security number at a PennDOT driver's license center. No proof of residence needed.

Oct. 2: Simpson issues injunction blocking implementation of voter ID law in November. Voters won't need picture ID to vote.

There's the timeline.

This has been discussed ad nauseum on this board, so I'm not going to re-post all the links, but the problem with the Voter ID law in the first place was that it required voters to obtain a separate Voter ID card, and the only way to obtain it was to show types of ID at the DMV that not everyone had. For example, a black person born in the south prior to 1964 may not even have a birth certificate on record. A college student without a driver's license could not use a Student ID from a state institution to obtain the ID. In addition, if you did not have your birth certificate, not only were you left up to the mercy of the state you were born in to get that to you before the election, but then also at the mercy of Pennsylvania to get the whole thing processed in time.

Finally, this was legislation passed in the year of a presidential election. They had four years to do this. They intentionally left it to the last minute to foment confusion among the populace, which it most certainly did when PECO sent 1.3 million customers incorrect Voter ID information.

http://articles.philly.com/2012-10-1...co-spokeswoman

ALSO, the people who designed the law stipulated to the court that:

http://www.aclupa.org/downloads/Appl...tipulation.pdf

1. There have been no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states.

2. The parties are not aware of any incidents of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania and do not have any direct knowledge of in-person voter fraud elsewhere.

3. Respondents will not offer any evidence in this action that in-person voter fraud has occurred in Pennsylvania or elsewhere.

4. The sole rationale for the Photo ID law that will be introduced by respondents is that contained in Respondents' Amended answer to Interrogatory I served June 7, 2012.

5. Respondents will not offer any evidence or argument that in-person voter fraud is likely to occur in November 2012 in the absence of the Photo ID law."

[Blart]

Originally Posted by chadta

my wife's 96 year old grandmother who is up on a ladder cleaning the gutters every time we visit would disagree, she still has ID tho, and you have to have ID to apply for welfare up here, seems pretty fair to me.

What is so wrong with having to prove who you are ?

Because voter registration already does that.

Because obtaining an ID for some people costs hundreds of dollars.

Because there is no need for voter ID, except to suppress the votes of millions of people like these:

Joyce Block
After learning about Pennsylvania's new photo ID requirement, Ms. Block who hasn't missed an election in 70 years, went to her local PennDOT office so she could obtain her free ID. Despite having all the documentation listed on the Department of State checklist, her application was rejected because the PennDot worker couldn't read her Hebrew marriage license and the deed to her home and Pepco bill had her married name, not her maiden name. Ms. Block takes her right to vote so seriously that in 2010 she had her granddaughter take her from the hospital in a wheelchair because she couldn't obtain an absentee ballot. Read more



Sherry Skramstad
Sherry Skramstad is a 70-year old retired teacher and author, and she has been voting since she became eligible in the 1960s. Even though she has a valid driver's license from New York, she can't get a Pennsylvania license because her birth certificate doesn't match her married name, although it's been her name for over 30 years. A Department of Transportation spokesperson claims that Sherry should have been notified of "exception processing," but that message didn't make it to her until after multiple calls to the Governor, the Office of Aging, both Pennsylvania U.S. Senators, and the U. S.-Mexican consulate, and eventually, media outlets. Under the old law, Sherry would have been able to use a utility bill, or a bank statement to demonstrate her identity at the polls. Read more



Louise Furness
Louise who is 96 does not have a driver's license, which is an approved form of ID and no longer drives making it difficult for her to visit the DMV in order to get the photo ID. Like Ms. Decoursey she was born to a midwife in North Carolina and does not possess the birth certificate need to obtain an voter ID card. Many seniors like Ms. Furness now face the difficult task of finding the documents in order to get photo ID in order to vote.



Amanda Wolf
Amanda Wolf used to be able to vote using her student ID card. Under South Carolina’s new voter ID requirements, however, Amanda has had to wait 6 months to even get the paperwork necessary for her to apply for an acceptable form of ID to allow her to vote. Adopted in Georgia, Amanda’s name was different on her birth certificate, which also included the names of her birth parents. When Amanda went to Vital Records to ask for a change, she found out that they would only accept a major credit card, which she didn’t have. Finally, after 6 months and with the help of a judge, she was able to get her new birth certificate and apply for an ID. Read more

Delores Freelan
59-year-old Delores Freelan of South Carolina lives on disability, and cannot afford to petition her home state of California to change her name and fix an error on her birth certificate. Without a valid birth certificate, she cannot get a photo ID to vote. Read more

Donna Suggs
Donna Suggs, born by midwife, does not have a birth certificate. Because her birth was never reported, Donna could not get the necessary birth certificate to apply for an ID to vote. Only after an attorney stepped in to help was Donna able to successfully get her free ID. Read more

Larrie Butler
Larrie Butler, born and raised in South Carolina, is 85 years old. Denied a new driver’s license because he doesn’t have a birth certificate, Larrie went to vital records to get one and was told he’d need to provide his school and out-of-state driving records. When he returned with the documents, Larrie was told he had failed to prove his identity because he could not get his elementary school records, as the school had since closed. He was then told that he could only get a birth certificate if he paid to get his name changed.
Watch the video below for Larrie's own account of the incident

Willie Blair
Willie Blair, a 61-year-old sharecropper from Sumter, South Carolina has never been to school and cannot read. His name, given to him by his stepfather, does not match the name on his birth certificate, meaning he cannot use the certificate to get a photo ID to vote. Read more
Tennessee


Clifford Glass
Mr. Glass has been voting since 1960 and no longer has a driver's license because of an automoblie accident twelve years ago that prevents him from driving. He is an Air Force veteran but his VA card is not one of the approved forms of photo ID in Tennessee.

Listen to Clifford's story below.



Darwin Spinks
86-year-old Darwin Spinks, who served in World War II and Korea, had to pay for a "free" Tennessee voting ID. Read more

Dorothy Cooper
96-year-old Dorothy Cooper of Tennessee could not get a free voter ID because she could not produce her marriage license. Ms. Cooper presented a birth certificate, a rent receipt and a voter registration card, but was still denied the ID. Now, for the first time since the 1960s, she may not be able to vote. Read more

Lee and Phyllis Campbell
Lee and Phyllis Campbell, a retired couple from Tennessee, were asked to pay for a new license because the free IDs involve "too much paperwork." Mr. and Mrs. Campbell testified before members of the House Judiciary Committee about their ordeal. Read more

Marie Crittenden
92-year-old Marie of Etowah, Tennessee has consistently voted since 1948. However, with the passage of new voter ID requirements, Marie almost couldn’t vote. After being misinformed about the necessary identification and paperwork numerous times, Marie could only vote due to the determined aid of her niece, who convinced the election commission to use common sense and allow Marie to cast her ballot. Read more

Thelma Mitchell
For 30 years Thelma Mitchell cleaned the Tennessee state capitol, including the governor's office. Now the 93-year-old won’t be able to vote for the first time in decades after being told that her old state ID failed the new voter ID regulations and cannot produce a birth certificate. Read more

Virginia Lasater
91-year-oldVirginia Lasater of Murfreesboro, Tennessee could not get a voter ID because, with 100 people ahead of her and no chairs, she could not physically wait at the DMV. Ms. Lasater has been voting and working on campaigns for more than 40 years, and now may be denied her right to vote. Read more

Texas
Mother of Texas State Rep. Trey Martinez Fisher
Rep. Martinez Fisher's 73-year-old mother will likely not be about to vote in the upcoming elections because she does not possess photo ID. She suffers from Parkinson's and has no driver's lecense, passport or concelad handgun license--the accepted forms of photo ID under Texas' new law. Read more

José Zuniga
José, an 83-year-old wheelchair user who lives in El Cienzo, Texas, spends the vast majority of his time at home – but he makes it out each year for Election Day. If photo ID requirements are enacted in Texas, though, Jose may be unable to continue to vote. Zuniga, who does not drive, would need to take two or three buses to get to the closest Department of Public Safety office – about 20 miles away – to get a personal identification card. Even if he makes it to the DPS office, Zuniga could face discrimination or harassment when trying to receive an ID. Read more

Juan José López Jr.
Juan, a 34-year-old Texas resident, is one of three solid waste sanitation workers in the small city of El Cienzo. While he used to have a Department of Public Safety-issued ID that would allow him to vote under a photo ID law, he has since lost that ID. Attempting to replace the identification card, though, has proved a larger hassle than he expected. In order to get a new ID, he needed documents to prove his identity and residence – like school records. At the same time, he needed ID to get access to his school records. Caught in a vicious catch-22 of identification, Juan has – for the time being – given up on obtaining ID. Dealing with the run-around of getting ID would require him to take time off work – something he cannot afford. Read more

Encarnación Vasquez
Encarnación has always used his voter registration card to vote. At age 84, he no longer has a driver’s license. Vasquez, who is well-known in the small city of Rio Bravo, had hoped that knowing the poll workers would vouch for his identity, but without photo ID, he may not be able to vote – even with his registration card. Read more

Wisconsin
Anthony Sharp
19-year-old African-American Milwaukee resident does not have any of the accepted forms of photo ID under the law and does not have the income to afford the $20 certified copy of his birth certificate in order to vote. Read more

Bettye Jones
Bettye Jones is 76 years old and has voted in every election since 1959. Active in the Civil Rights movement, she fought for her right to vote and never dreamed it could be taken away. Bettye’s mother gave birth to her in a time when African Americans in the South could not get hospital care, meaning that Bettye was born at home. No birth certificate was ever filed to record her birth. However, Bettye has a current and valid Ohio driver’s license and had never had any problems voting until she moved to Wisconsin. Here, Bettye found that she will be denied the right to vote. With no birth certificate on file, she cannot get the ID that Wisconsin requires to cast a ballot; the state’s law will also not allow her to use her out of state driver’s license to prove her identity. Read more

Carl Ellis
Carl is a U.S. Army veteran living in a homeless shelter in Milwaukee. His only photo ID is a veteran ID card, which is not accepted under the law. Read more

Chris Larsen
Wisconsin Department of Safety worker Chris Larsen was fired after encouraging his co-workers to inform citizens that IDs are free for the purposes of voting. To save money, Wisconsonites will only receive ID cards for free if they know on their own that they need to check a box on their application, otherwise they will be charged. Read more

Florence Hessing
96-year-old Florence is disabled and rarely leaves her home, voting by absentee ballot. After writing to the state asking how to get a photo ID under Wisconsin’s new government-issued photo ID law, she was told it would cost her $28, even though Wisconsin ID cards are supposed to be free. To even apply for the ID, Florence needed a birth certificate, of which her natal state of Iowa told her they had no official record. Read more

Gil Paar
Mr. Paar who served in the military for four years was not allowed to vote because his Veteran's card, which is issued by the United State Department of Veterans Affairs and contains both his photo and address is not one of the approved forms of government-issued photo ID under Wisconsin's new voter ID law. Despite having a driver's license that would have allowed him to vote, Mr. Paar refused because a VA card is the only form of photo ID that many veterans have. Read more


JoAnne Balthazor and Jeannie Vasen
69-year-old JoAnne Balthazor of Wisconsin waited at the DMV for almost 2 hours to receive her free ID for voting. Jeannie Vasen, 43, didn't have enough money with her to get a replacement ID, and ended up leaving without getting her ID after Wisconsin DMV workers failed to inform her the ID was free.
Read more

Marge Curtin
62-year-old Marge Curtin has lived and voted in the same area for 40 years. Although her name and address were listed on the rolls and the poll workers, including her friend of over 40 years, knew and recognized her, Marge was not allowed to vote because she didn’t have a photo ID. Recently injured in a car accident, Marge said she didn’t think she’d be able to make the long trip to the DMV to get an ID and went to vote at the polls anyway, as she always does. Unfortunately, here she discovered that she was barred from voting despite her unquestionable identity. Read more

Rita Platt and John Wolfe
On a day off from work, Rita and John drove 45 minutes to a DMV to get Wisconsin driver's licenses so they could vote in the upcoming election. However, when they arrived shortly after the DMV had opened, they were told that the computers were down. The couple decided to fill out the necessary paperwork, in the hopes that the computers would be up and running by the time they'd gone through the approval steps.
After presenting a current Iowa driver's license, social security card, bank statement, and pay stub, John was denied an ID and told he hadn't proven his identity. Rita was told that neither her expired Iowa driver's license nor pay stub from the state qualified as proof of identification and that she'd need to pay for a certified birth certificate or bring a US passport to be approved. Even though Rita had previously had a Wisconsin driver's license and the worker could still find her in the system, Rita was informed that she could not get a license or even a voter ID. Read more

Ruthelle Frank
Ruthelle is an 84-year-old elected official and has served on her village board since 1996, who without a birth certificate cannot obtain an ID needed to vote under Wisconsin law. Read more

Ruthelle explains the difficulty she faces in trying to obtain photo ID:



There are millions of voters nationwide. If you want more stories, here's a small slice:

http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/page?id=0046

[chadta]

Sorry I have no pity for anybody who cant prove who they are. The fact that this is just being brought up now, shows how messed up you guys are down there.

Im going to guess you have a problem with us making Muslim women lift face coverings to show that it matches ID shown when voting ?

[BowlenBall]

I'm voting for Obama, but I believe that all voters should have a valid form of photo ID to vote (driver's license for most, with an alternative if they don't drive).

However... I would like to see a major push for this four years before the next presidential election, and agreed to by both parties. The way the GOP is doing it (wait until the election year, then try to change the ID laws all secret-squirrel in hopes that they can turn away as many low-income voters as possible) is voter supression, plain and simple.

As for the reduction of early voting days (as in Florida) -- again, clearly voter supression strategies from the republican party. Have they even given a rationale for reducing the number of early voting days? I can't imagine what it would be....

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by chadta

Sorry I have no pity for anybody who cant prove who they are. The fact that this is just being brought up now, shows how messed up you guys are down there.

Im going to guess you have a problem with us making Muslim women lift face coverings to show that it matches ID shown when voting ?

Being brought up now?

We've been protesting it on this very board since April.

You don't change Voter ID laws during an election year, especially when it affects a disproportionate number of minorities, young people and old people, and the Supreme Court agrees.

[Rohirrim]

So, the Christian, moral majority, "values" party is trying to steal another election?

[chadta]

the only people I personally know being screwed by voter ID laws are all white, military, who recently moved, 2 people cant vote because military ID was denied which is some messed up, but the problem of which ID is acceptable is a different problem than having to have ID to vote.

So if Romney loses by 3 votes its all my friends fault for not having right ID.

[Beantown Bronco]

No worries. Romney's going to lose by a **** ton more than that.