Homeland Security stockpiling millions of rounds of ammo - The Orange Mane

mhgaffney · 08-18-2012, 01:47 PM

Homeland Security finishing acquisition of millions of rounds of high-powered ammo

Published: 13 August, 2012, 20:17
Edited: 13 August, 2012, 20:17

http://rt.com/usa/news/dhs-ammo-roun...ity-560/print/

The Department of Homeland Security is rushing to finish the acquisition of 750 million rounds of high-power ammunition that has already raised many eyebrows. In one week, the DHS should start expecting an arsenal that will make some armies jealous.

The DHS has updated a solicitation originally posted on the Federal Business Opportunities website earlier this year, now answering questions from prospective contractors about an inquiry the agency published back in April. All responses to the DHS’ request for hundreds of millions of rounds of high-power ammunition must still be sent in by August 20, but now the federal agency designated to thwart terrorism on the home front has answered some questions about what exactly they are looking for in terms of being able to blow stuff up.

In April, the DHS first published a solicitation “for commercial leaded training ammunition (CLTA) of various calibers for law enforcement officer firearms training courses” to be used at facilities in the states of Georgia, New Mexico, Maryland and South Carolina, as well as other unnamed DHS offices across the country. At the time the DHS demanded hundreds of thousands of test rounds for an array of ammunition types, including 209,000 rounds of #00 buckshot 8-pellet bullets for 12 gauge guns and more than 2 million shots for a .357 Sig Caliber. With their solicitation set to expire in less than a week, though, the DHS has taken it upon themselves to answer questions from contractors interested in their very pricey proposal.

In the latest amendment, published online over the weekend, the DHS answers such pressing questions as, say, “Would a 223 Rem 64Grain soft point round be acceptable?” in response to their initial request for 1.1 million rounds of .223 Rem Caliber 62.64 Grain JHP. (And, if you’re wondering, the official DHS-authored answer is, “Yes, that would be acceptable.”)
The DHS does not, however, answer why exactly they want to give its federal agents tasked with counterterrorism around 750 million rounds of ammo. On paper the proposal says their request is to fulfill training exercise requirements, but why is the DHS equipping their officers with the know-how to shoot a basketball-size hole in a human body?

And for those not keeping score, already this year the DHS has asked for upwards of 150 sets of full-body armor specifically to prepare law enforcement for any protests at the 2012 Democratic and Republican National Conventions, the 2013 Presidential Inauguration and other events of national significance. Oh, and DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano has admitted that she wants the agency to accumulate more surveillance drones to conduct domestic surveillance for the sake of “public safety.”

But don’t worry: millions of rounds of high-powered ammo, stealth surveillance craft and an army of heavily armored federal agents is all for your own security.

According to the 2001 Executive Order that established the DHS signed by then-President George W Bush, the agency “will coordinate the executive branch's efforts to detect, prepare for, prevent, protect against, respond to and recover from terrorist attacks within the United States.”

mhgaffney · 08-18-2012, 01:49 PM

Something big must be up.

BroncsRule · 08-18-2012, 02:36 PM

Oh yeah - something's up all right - it's near the end of the Fiscal Year, and those pukes haven't spent all their money. They have money left over in the '12 budget and it's "use it or lose it" time..

That's it. Not a very thrilling conspiracy, I know, but - the truth usually is boring.

W*GS · 08-18-2012, 03:14 PM

gaffe, what's Venus?

Fedaykin · 08-18-2012, 03:23 PM

That's not a whole lot of ammo. The DHS employes tens of thousands of law enforcement/military members (USSS, Coast Guard, Customs/Border, FPS, etc.)

Between the Coast Guard (40,000 active duty + 40,000 reserve/aux) and Customs/Border (45,000 active duty) patrol and FPS (1,200 active duty), and USSS (4,400 active duty), you're talking 130,000 law enforcement/military personnel. 750,000,000 rounds equates to around 5-6,000 rounds/person (and the above doesn't include all the law/military enforcement officers the DHS employs).

That's not an unreasonable amount of ammo for training for around one year. I burn through at least a couple thousand rounds a year just for recreation.

Also, the DHS runs the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which does training (including lots of firearms training) for around 90 agencies (federal, state, local, etc.). Include all the people training there and they probably burn though that much ammo in months -- just for training.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...raining_Center

mhgaffney · 08-18-2012, 04:15 PM

I disagree.

750 million rounds is a lot of ammo.

Rohirrim · 08-18-2012, 04:16 PM

I think they're planning on taking out Iran.

Fedaykin · 08-18-2012, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

I disagree.

750 million rounds is a lot of ammo.

^Translates as "nu-uh!

Pretty much the "quality" of response I've come to expect from idiots like you.

W*GS · 08-18-2012, 04:42 PM

gaffe probably thinks two shots, plus a little extra, for every American.

Or 10 shots per Iranian.

mhgaffney · 08-18-2012, 04:51 PM

750 million rounds would be enough to take out every black, Mexican, Asian and otherwise minority American -- with hundreds of millions of rounds left to spare.

It would also be enuf to take out every dissenter, peace activist, labor organizer, feminist and radical environmentalist -- with hundreds of millions of rounds to spare.

The real question you clowns never ask -- is how we came to have Homeland Security in the first place?

What is it good for? HS certainly was not created to stop Al Qaeda. As we know, the US is actually funding/supporting Al Qaeda in Syria.

Nor was HS created to stop terrorism in the US. The only foreign terrorist incidents we have had were staged with the help of the FBI!

So who needs HS?

No, it was created for one purpose: to crush dissent here in the US of A. When the time comes. (Just around the corner.)

MHG

W*GS · 08-18-2012, 04:58 PM

Thanks for taking the bait, gaffe.

You'll be one of the ones pulling the trigger, too - since you hate America so much.

The Lone Bolt · 08-18-2012, 05:00 PM

Well when that happens I'll be OK. I plan on using Gaffney as a human shield.

Fedaykin · 08-18-2012, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

750 million rounds would be enough to take out every black, Mexican, Asian and otherwise minority American -- with hundreds of millions of rounds left to spare.

It would also be enuf to take out every dissenter, peace activist, labor organizer, feminist and radical environmentalist -- with hundreds of millions of rounds to spare.

The real question you clowns never ask -- is how we came to have Homeland Security in the first place?

What is it good for? HS certainly was not created to stop Al Qaeda. As we know, the US is actually funding/supporting Al Qaeda in Syria.

Nor was HS created to stop terrorism in the US. The only foreign terrorist incidents we have had were staged with the help of the FBI!

So who needs HS?

No, it was created for one purpose: to crush dissent here in the US of A. When the time comes. (Just around the corner.)

MHG

Coast Guard
Border Patrol
Federal Police
Secret Service
86 other federal and state law enforcement agencies who train at DHS facilities.

Are you going to sit there like a ****ing idiot and pretend those organizations don't have a legit need for ammunition as part of training?

You're a ****ing clown.

theAPAOps5 · 08-18-2012, 05:45 PM

Idiots like you make them nervous.

DenverBrit · 08-18-2012, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

I disagree.

750 million rounds is a lot of ammo.

What is it with you and Russian propaganda and misinformation??

Was the truth....450 million rounds maximum, not enough of a sinister story? And you're kinda slow, this was interesting in March, when it was first reported.

Quote:

ATK producing ammo for Homeland Security

ANOKA, Minn., March 13 (UPI) -- As many as 450 million rounds of .40-caliber ammunition are being produced for U.S. government agencies by ATK of Minnesota.

The order comes under an indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement for HST bullets.

"We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40-caliber duty ammunition for (Homeland Security), ICE," said Ron Johnson, president of ATK's Security and Sporting group. "The HST is a proven design that will continue to serve those who keep our borders safe."

ATK was the incumbent and won the contract with its HST bullet. The HST is a hollow-point round that holds its jacket even after passing through barriers.

ATK said the contract features a 12-month base performance period and four option years. The ammunition will be produced at the Federal Cartridge Company facility in Anoka, Minn., with deliveries of the rounds to begin in June.

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Sec...1311331656764/

DenverBrit · 08-18-2012, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

750 million rounds would be enough to take out every black, Mexican, Asian and otherwise minority American -- with hundreds of millions of rounds left to spare.

It would also be enuf to take out every dissenter, peace activist, labor organizer, feminist and radical environmentalist -- with hundreds of millions of rounds to spare.

The real question you clowns never ask -- is how we came to have Homeland Security in the first place?

What is it good for? HS certainly was not created to stop Al Qaeda. As we know, the US is actually funding/supporting Al Qaeda in Syria.

Nor was HS created to stop terrorism in the US. The only foreign terrorist incidents we have had were staged with the help of the FBI!

So who needs HS?

No, it was created for one purpose: to crush dissent here in the US of A. When the time comes. (Just around the corner.)

MHG

Gaff swallows hook line and sinker!!

cutthemdown · 08-18-2012, 09:53 PM

Oh my god. There are what almost 300 million Americans. And they are asking for 750 million rounds. Oh my god. Look at the math. The plan on shooting all of us more then once. By my calculations some of us can plan on being shot 3 times. Hopefully there really is 200 million illegals. Maybe some of those bullets are for them.

Thanks Gaff for telling us about this. Now we can get prepared.

Rohirrim · 08-18-2012, 10:02 PM

I think Gaffo is a counter agent sent out by the FBI to confuse us with disinfo.

Garcia Bronco · 08-19-2012, 06:20 AM

Gaffo missed the boat. The conspiracy here is that iBama is trying to drive up the price of ammo.

Pony Boy · 08-19-2012, 07:16 AM

Just another one of Obama’s bailout programs, its job security for the ammunition industry …….. Also great to sell to the Mexican Drug Cartel when you need quick cash for a Homeland security retreat in Vegas. (no paper trail)

mhgaffney · 08-19-2012, 03:18 PM

What you clowns refuse to face is the fact that we are a police state. Check out this breaking story. An Iraqi vet has just been arrested for the crime of criticizing the government. He has been stripped of his rights and is now sitting in a mental hospital.
MHG

Veteran arrested by FBI and Secret Service for Facebook posts

VETERAN ARRESTEDAUGUST 17, 2012BY: CHRISTOPHER COLLINS

http://www.examiner.com/article/vete...-posts?cid=rss

mhgaffney · 08-19-2012, 03:19 PM

This case may be a trial balloon - to see if the American people will allow it. If enough people raise hell -- they will back off.

W*GS · 08-19-2012, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

What you clowns refuse to face is the fact that we are a police state.

No, we're not.

When was America really America, in your opinion?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Check out this breaking story. An Iraqi vet has just been arrested for the crime of criticizing the government. He has been stripped of his rights and is now sitting in a mental hospital.

Not quite breaking. But he appears to be a troofer, and that's enough for gaffe.

mhgaffney · 08-20-2012, 02:15 PM

I've answered this question before:
(When was America really America, in your opinion?)

The US had a rare one time and never to be repeated historical opportunity after WW II -- an opportunity we botched big time.

I'll post this again:

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle18585.htm

cutthemdown · 08-20-2012, 02:29 PM

Holy cow I listened to the whole think and still they don't report what he said on his facebook page. What crappy reporting.

08-18-2012, 01:47 PM	#1
mhgaffney Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,771	Homeland Security stockpiling millions of rounds of ammo Homeland Security finishing acquisition of millions of rounds of high-powered ammo Published: 13 August, 2012, 20:17 Edited: 13 August, 2012, 20:17 http://rt.com/usa/news/dhs-ammo-roun...ity-560/print/ The Department of Homeland Security is rushing to finish the acquisition of 750 million rounds of high-power ammunition that has already raised many eyebrows. In one week, the DHS should start expecting an arsenal that will make some armies jealous. The DHS has updated a solicitation originally posted on the Federal Business Opportunities website earlier this year, now answering questions from prospective contractors about an inquiry the agency published back in April. All responses to the DHS’ request for hundreds of millions of rounds of high-power ammunition must still be sent in by August 20, but now the federal agency designated to thwart terrorism on the home front has answered some questions about what exactly they are looking for in terms of being able to blow stuff up. In April, the DHS first published a solicitation “for commercial leaded training ammunition (CLTA) of various calibers for law enforcement officer firearms training courses” to be used at facilities in the states of Georgia, New Mexico, Maryland and South Carolina, as well as other unnamed DHS offices across the country. At the time the DHS demanded hundreds of thousands of test rounds for an array of ammunition types, including 209,000 rounds of #00 buckshot 8-pellet bullets for 12 gauge guns and more than 2 million shots for a .357 Sig Caliber. With their solicitation set to expire in less than a week, though, the DHS has taken it upon themselves to answer questions from contractors interested in their very pricey proposal. In the latest amendment, published online over the weekend, the DHS answers such pressing questions as, say, “Would a 223 Rem 64Grain soft point round be acceptable?” in response to their initial request for 1.1 million rounds of .223 Rem Caliber 62.64 Grain JHP. (And, if you’re wondering, the official DHS-authored answer is, “Yes, that would be acceptable.”) The DHS does not, however, answer why exactly they want to give its federal agents tasked with counterterrorism around 750 million rounds of ammo. On paper the proposal says their request is to fulfill training exercise requirements, but why is the DHS equipping their officers with the know-how to shoot a basketball-size hole in a human body? And for those not keeping score, already this year the DHS has asked for upwards of 150 sets of full-body armor specifically to prepare law enforcement for any protests at the 2012 Democratic and Republican National Conventions, the 2013 Presidential Inauguration and other events of national significance. Oh, and DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano has admitted that she wants the agency to accumulate more surveillance drones to conduct domestic surveillance for the sake of “public safety.” But don’t worry: millions of rounds of high-powered ammo, stealth surveillance craft and an army of heavily armored federal agents is all for your own security. According to the 2001 Executive Order that established the DHS signed by then-President George W Bush, the agency “will coordinate the executive branch's efforts to detect, prepare for, prevent, protect against, respond to and recover from terrorist attacks within the United States.”

08-18-2012, 03:23 PM	#5
Fedaykin Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,839 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	That's not a whole lot of ammo. The DHS employes tens of thousands of law enforcement/military members (USSS, Coast Guard, Customs/Border, FPS, etc.) Between the Coast Guard (40,000 active duty + 40,000 reserve/aux) and Customs/Border (45,000 active duty) patrol and FPS (1,200 active duty), and USSS (4,400 active duty), you're talking 130,000 law enforcement/military personnel. 750,000,000 rounds equates to around 5-6,000 rounds/person (and the above doesn't include all the law/military enforcement officers the DHS employs). That's not an unreasonable amount of ammo for training for around one year. I burn through at least a couple thousand rounds a year just for recreation. Also, the DHS runs the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which does training (including lots of firearms training) for around 90 agencies (federal, state, local, etc.). Include all the people training there and they probably burn though that much ammo in months -- just for training. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...raining_Center Last edited by Fedaykin; 08-18-2012 at 03:45 PM..

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08-18-2012, 01:49 PM	#2
mhgaffney Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,771	Something big must be up.

08-18-2012, 02:36 PM	#3
BroncsRule Perennial Pro-bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 839 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Oh yeah - something's up all right - it's near the end of the Fiscal Year, and those pukes haven't spent all their money. They have money left over in the '12 budget and it's "use it or lose it" time.. That's it. Not a very thrilling conspiracy, I know, but - the truth usually is boring.

08-18-2012, 03:14 PM	#4
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,511	gaffe, what's Venus?

08-18-2012, 04:15 PM	#6
mhgaffney Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,771	I disagree. 750 million rounds is a lot of ammo.

08-18-2012, 04:16 PM	#7
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,842	I think they're planning on taking out Iran.

08-18-2012, 04:42 PM	#9
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,511	gaffe probably thinks two shots, plus a little extra, for every American. Or 10 shots per Iranian.

08-18-2012, 04:51 PM	#10
mhgaffney Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,771	750 million rounds would be enough to take out every black, Mexican, Asian and otherwise minority American -- with hundreds of millions of rounds left to spare. It would also be enuf to take out every dissenter, peace activist, labor organizer, feminist and radical environmentalist -- with hundreds of millions of rounds to spare. The real question you clowns never ask -- is how we came to have Homeland Security in the first place? What is it good for? HS certainly was not created to stop Al Qaeda. As we know, the US is actually funding/supporting Al Qaeda in Syria. Nor was HS created to stop terrorism in the US. The only foreign terrorist incidents we have had were staged with the help of the FBI! So who needs HS? No, it was created for one purpose: to crush dissent here in the US of A. When the time comes. (Just around the corner.) MHG

08-18-2012, 04:58 PM	#11
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,511	Thanks for taking the bait, gaffe. You'll be one of the ones pulling the trigger, too - since you hate America so much.

08-18-2012, 05:00 PM	#12
The Lone Bolt Ring of Famer GO CHARGERS!!!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Boredom Capital of the Universe (Everett, WA) Posts: 2,871	Well when that happens I'll be OK. I plan on using Gaffney as a human shield.

08-18-2012, 05:45 PM	#14
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,058 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Idiots like you make them nervous.

08-18-2012, 09:53 PM	#17
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,486	Oh my god. There are what almost 300 million Americans. And they are asking for 750 million rounds. Oh my god. Look at the math. The plan on shooting all of us more then once. By my calculations some of us can plan on being shot 3 times. Hopefully there really is 200 million illegals. Maybe some of those bullets are for them. Thanks Gaff for telling us about this. Now we can get prepared.

08-18-2012, 10:02 PM	#18
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,842	I think Gaffo is a counter agent sent out by the FBI to confuse us with disinfo.

08-19-2012, 06:20 AM	#19
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	Gaffo missed the boat. The conspiracy here is that iBama is trying to drive up the price of ammo.

08-19-2012, 07:16 AM	#20
Pony Boy "Whoa Nellie" Rub some dirt on it Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,311 Adopt-a-Bronco: mellon head	Just another one of Obama’s bailout programs, its job security for the ammunition industry …….. Also great to sell to the Mexican Drug Cartel when you need quick cash for a Homeland security retreat in Vegas. (no paper trail)

08-19-2012, 03:18 PM	#21
mhgaffney Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,771	What you clowns refuse to face is the fact that we are a police state. Check out this breaking story. An Iraqi vet has just been arrested for the crime of criticizing the government. He has been stripped of his rights and is now sitting in a mental hospital. MHG Veteran arrested by FBI and Secret Service for Facebook posts VETERAN ARRESTEDAUGUST 17, 2012BY: CHRISTOPHER COLLINS http://www.examiner.com/article/vete...-posts?cid=rss

08-19-2012, 03:19 PM	#22
mhgaffney Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,771	This case may be a trial balloon - to see if the American people will allow it. If enough people raise hell -- they will back off.

08-20-2012, 02:15 PM	#24
mhgaffney Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,771	I've answered this question before: (When was America really America, in your opinion?) The US had a rare one time and never to be repeated historical opportunity after WW II -- an opportunity we botched big time. I'll post this again: http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle18585.htm

08-20-2012, 02:29 PM	#25
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,486	Holy cow I listened to the whole think and still they don't report what he said on his facebook page. What crappy reporting.