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Old 05-13-2013, 08:44 PM   #326
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Republicans think by a 74/19 margin than Benghazi is a worse political scandal than Watergate, by a 74/12 margin that it's worse than Teapot Dome, and by a 70/20 margin that it's worse than Iran Contra.

They should be ashamed of themselves. Bunch of ****ing Fox puppets.
The Watergate break in was insignificant. Its the investigation of it that turned up all kinds of fun stuff for months and years after. Democrats are hoping to stifle that part so it can't grow into something like Watergate. Add in the IRS and now AP phone records scandal and its pretty clear this administration needs to be thoroughly gone through top to bottom.
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:44 PM   #327
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This is more than likely why the leftist/commies on here (who shun Fox news) have no idea why this is much bigger than they think......the people they do watch and listen are just extended mouth pieces of the administration
You realize who the head of Fox News is, right?
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The Watergate break in was insignificant. Its the investigation of it that turned up all kinds of fun stuff for months and years after. Democrats are hoping to stifle that part so it can't grow into something like Watergate. Add in the IRS and now AP phone records scandal and its pretty clear this administration needs to be thoroughly gone through top to bottom.
Just like the affair with Clinton and Lewinsky was the side note of others being pressured to lie and misuse of our government, having people investigated for not toeing the company line, namely using the IRS, which hey, here we go again with a democrat in charge again. This is why we won't see a flat tax or fair tax, whatever you want to call it since the democrats would lose leverage and ways to attack their opponents without (mis)using the IRS to do their dirty work for them. Yeah, I just bet our Founding Fathers would be applauding what garbage our government is doing.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:24 PM   #329
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If the IRS scandal sniffs out someone from the White House look out! That would be bigger then watergate for sure. Using the IRS to attack people is out of the J Egdar Hoover handbook.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:26 AM   #330
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Add in the IRS and now AP phone records scandal and its pretty clear this administration needs to be thoroughly gone through top to bottom.
Let's at least wait until we have some facts and details before jumping to such shrill and hyperbolic conclusions, shall we?

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Old 05-14-2013, 08:58 AM   #331
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Let's at least wait until we have some facts and details before jumping to such shrill and hyperbolic conclusions, shall we?

Drama queens gonna be dramatic!
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The Department of Justice secretly obtained phone records for reporters and editors who work for the Associated Press news agency, including records for the home phones and cell phones of individual journalists, according to the AP, in what the agency characterized as “serious interference with AP’s constitutional rights to gather and report the news.” ...

The AP is still in the process of trying to identify how many phone calls were captured in the records during the 60-day period. More than 100 AP journalists are known to routinely use some of the numbers that were covered under the subpoena.

“Obtaining a broad range of telephone records in order to ferret out a government leaker is an unacceptable abuse of power,” said Ben Wizner, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Speech, Privacy and Technology Project. “Freedom of the press is a pillar of our democracy, and that freedom often depends on confidential communications between reporters and their sources.”

In an angry letter sent to Attorney General Eric Holder (.pdf) on Monday, AP CEO Gary Pruitt called it a “massive and unprecedented intrusion” into the AP’s newsgathering activities.

“There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP’s newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP’s activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know,” he wrote in the letter
Everyone in the world thinks this is a pretty big deal. But not Tony. He's going to play the Obama admin game. When the news is hot and fresh you'll say "Well, they're still investigating so it's too soon to comment"

Then when the investigations conclude and more damning details come out you'll say "Blah blah blah, this happened MONTHS ago. OLD NEWS. Next?"
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:05 AM   #332
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when the investigations conclude...
^ You missed (or didn't understand) my point, Sunshine, but here it is right here in your very own post. Let's see if you're smart enough to figure it out. Good luck, we're all counting on you! Let me know if you need step by step instructions.
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^ You missed (or didn't understand) my point, Sunshine, but here it is right here in your very own post. Let's see if you're smart enough to figure it out. Good luck, we're all counting on you! Let me know if you need step by step instructions.
So you must've been super offended when Democrats claimed that Benghazi was old news and we should move on.

I mean investigations are still ongoing and whatnot.

Anyway, on the IRS thing, the IRS has already admitted to wrongdoing. They just haven't explained how the hell it happened. And I trust the AP to know how significant the government accessing entire news bureaus's phone records are. But I get it. You like to be super duper careful and never say anything about anything until months after when all the deets are locked in. Duly noted. We'll make sure that standard is upheld in the future.

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http://www.npr.org/2013/05/13/183659...mission-attack

It just shows that Issa and the Republicans are far more interested in smearing Hillary than they are with actually getting to the bottom of this thing.

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Obama’s claim he called Benghazi an ‘act of terrorism’

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I mean investigations are still ongoing and whatnot.
Right. You're slowly starting to figure it out. I'm here to help as needed. An uphill climb for you, I realize. But don't give up!
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It just shows that Issa and the Republicans are far more interested in smearing Hillary than they are with actually getting to the bottom of this thing.
Issa is political scum of the highest order and his motives should come under as much scruitny as the administrations is getting.

You notice he only pulls together these investigations and continues them ad nauseum when there are Democrats to roast.

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Old 05-14-2013, 10:16 AM   #339
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Right. You're slowly starting to figure it out. I'm here to help as needed. An uphill climb for you, I realize. But don't give up!
I think I've got it down pretty solid.

Rah Rah Ree! Nothin' ta'see in Benghazi!

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Old 05-14-2013, 10:37 AM   #340
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It just shows that Issa and the Republicans are far more interested in smearing Hillary than they are with actually getting to the bottom of this thing.
That appears to have always been the agenda.

Concerns about embassy security, availability and readiness of response teams, fly over aircraft and transportation are the real issues.
How were these managed and could any assets be brought to bear in time to save anyone at the embassy?

Basically, it comes down to: Why didn't help arrive or attempt to arrive?

Parsing on the difference between describing the attack as 'an act of terror' vs 'act of terrorism' is transparently political.
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That appears to have always been the agenda.

Concerns about embassy security, availability and readiness of response teams, fly over aircraft and transportation are the real issues.
How were these managed and could any assets be brought to bear in time to save anyone at the embassy?

Basically, it comes down to: Why didn't help arrive or attempt to arrive?

Parsing on the difference between describing the attack as 'an act of terror' vs 'act of terrorism' is transparently political.
You're missing the 9/11 part, oh and the pleas and warnings from and about that very same facility months ahead of the attack. The response during the attack is a completely separate issue.

The reason the administration's description of the incident matters gets to the fact of how far the administration was willing to go to make an easily foreseen and predicted incident look spontaneous.
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The fact Obama tried to use the youtube video to cover up the failings in security in Libya and not give Romney talking points is valid. But Brit right the big issue is they didn't try to help them after the attack happened. Then they let them get attacked again hours later and still no marines there to help them, or anything.
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But it is a joke that weeks later Obamas team would try and say at the time the best intell was it was a protest gone big, from the youtube video. They knew all along that was not true.
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You're missing the 9/11 part, oh and the pleas and warnings from and about that very same facility months ahead of the attack. The response during the attack is a completely separate issue.

The reason the administration's description of the incident matters gets to the fact of how far the administration was willing to go to make an easily foreseen and predicted incident look spontaneous.
Not missing anything. The state of preparedness covers your points.

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Concerns about embassy security, availability and readiness of response teams, fly over aircraft and transportation are the real issues.
And how this was handled on the day, is the heart of the matter.

The focus appears to be more about when did the State Dept call it an al qaeda attack and was the delay tied to re-election.

Looks a lot more like a political agenda than concern about the state of embassy security and the response to the attack.
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Looks a lot more like a political agenda than concern about the state of embassy security and the response to the attack.
Oh, it was:

State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland raised specific objections to this paragraph drafted by the CIA in its earlier versions of the talking points:

“The Agency has produced numerous pieces on the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa’ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya. These noted that, since April, there have been at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi by unidentified assailants, including the June attack against the British Ambassador’s convoy. We cannot rule out the individuals has previously surveilled the U.S. facilities, also contributing to the efficacy of the attacks.”

In an email to officials at the White House and the intelligence agencies, State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland took issue with including that information because it “could be abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either? Concerned …”
The paragraph was entirely deleted.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...or-references/
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State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland raised specific objections to this paragraph drafted by the CIA in its earlier versions of the talking points:

“The Agency has produced numerous pieces on the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa’ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya. These noted that, since April, there have been at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi by unidentified assailants, including the June attack against the British Ambassador’s convoy. We cannot rule out the individuals has previously surveilled the U.S. facilities, also contributing to the efficacy of the attacks.”

In an email to officials at the White House and the intelligence agencies, State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland took issue with including that information because it “could be abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either? Concerned …”
The paragraph was entirely deleted.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...or-references/
Every ounce of their Benghazi response was political calculation. Now they cry, "You guys are just playing politics! No fair!"
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Oh, it was:

State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland raised specific objections to this paragraph drafted by the CIA in its earlier versions of the talking points:

“The Agency has produced numerous pieces on the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa’ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya. These noted that, since April, there have been at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi by unidentified assailants, including the June attack against the British Ambassador’s convoy. We cannot rule out the individuals has previously surveilled the U.S. facilities, also contributing to the efficacy of the attacks.”

In an email to officials at the White House and the intelligence agencies, State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland took issue with including that information because it “could be abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either? Concerned …”
The paragraph was entirely deleted.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...or-references/
The underlined clearly shows where the investigation needs to focus.
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CNN has obtained an e-mail sent by a top aide to President Barack Obama about White House reaction to the deadly attack last September 11 on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, that apparently differs from how sources characterized it to two different media organizations.

The actual e-mail from then-Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes appears to show that whomever leaked it did so in a way that made it appear that the White House was primarily concerned with the State Department's desire to remove references and warnings about specific terrorist groups so as to not bring criticism to the department.
http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05...enghazi-leaks/

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So whoever leaked the inaccurate information earlier this month did so in a way that made it appear that the White House – specifically Rhodes – was more interested in the State Department’s concerns, and more focused on the talking points, than the e-mail actually stated.
Who'da thunk it?!?
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The underlined clearly shows where the investigation needs to focus.
Oh it goes much further. Especially considering Your White House Information Minister Carney was caught outright lying about this by the White House press corps.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...or-references/

The President's press representative outright lied, not only about what happened in Benghazi, but also how the fictional response came to exist. Why is that?
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