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Old 10-20-2012, 07:04 PM   #26
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Old 10-20-2012, 07:13 PM   #27
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posted this in another thread..

In which this thread most likely should have been posted

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For all the draft historians

When was the last time a team traded up in the first for a MLBer? My guess is never. Even Patrick Willis wasn't traded up for
here are the legit MLBs drafted in the first.. the last fifteen years worth..

While I have not looked up whether anyone moved up for them I doubt it.. Maybe aldavis did for harris which would be par for his logic..

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8 	Oakland Raiders 	Rolando McClain 	MLB 	Alabama
10 	New England Patriots 	Jerod Mayo 	ILB 	Tennessee
11 	San Francisco 49ers 	Patrick Willis 	ILB 	Mississippi
25 	Carolina Panthers 	Jon Beason 	MLB 	Miami (Fla.)
12 	New York Jets 	Jonathan Vilma 	MLB 	Miami (Fla.)
23 	Oakland Raiders 	Napoleon Harris 	MLB 	Northwestern
9 	Chicago Bears 	Brian Urlacher 	MLB 	New Mexico
28 	New England Patriots 	Andy Katzenmoyer 	MLB 	Ohio State
31 	Denver Broncos 	Al Wilson 	MLB 	Tennessee
13 	Cincinnati Bengals 	Takeo Spikes 	ILB 	Auburn
Gives me an indication moving up in the first is DUMB.. average on that list was 17..

and you can probably count on one hand the number of Mikes that were worth a crap..

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Old 10-20-2012, 07:26 PM   #28
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I totally get the whole not getting psyched about a Notre Dame player thing. Even as a fan I have not been real high on any of the players coming out of ND in quite some time (I did think Fassano would be good to really good depending on where he landed).

I have an absolute man-crush on Manti though. He is the complete MLB who can run, tackle, diagnose plays, cover, get int's, and lead the team. And if you can get him by trading a second or third to move up and get him, I think you have to do it.

Or not. Joe Mays rocks!
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Old 10-20-2012, 08:30 PM   #29
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Teams seemed to have good success drafting MLB in the 1st round compared to other positions.

I think DJ should start in the middle when he comes back, rotating woodyard and the rookie on the weakside. Brookings off the bench to spell any position. DJ is not the best MLB, but he is the best option. Brookings shouldn't be a starter every week as teams will start to game plan around his lack of speed.
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I have no problem with drafting Te'o. However, I do have a problem with trading UP to get him. The ND defense as a whole is pretty good. Is Te'o really that great of a MLB or is the talent around him pretty darn good too?

Take Patric Willis as a good example of drafting a great MLB. He was taken out of Mississippi but as far as I can remember, Mississippi didn't have a great defense the years that Willis played there. He stood out as a beast at LBer because he played in the SEC, not because he was on a great defensive team (right? at least that is what I remember).

It's good to see Al Wilson's name on that list. Shanny struck friggen gold with that pick. I'd love for the Broncos to draft a blue chip MLB or ILB but I don't think they have to have Te'o. He's not the only good ILB in this draft. Fact is the Broncos probably have no shot at him so their friggen scouting department better be looking out for the best ILB to take in either the late first round or the second/third round.

Again, if Te'o blows up the combine, the Broncos ain't gonna draft him because he will be gone by the 12 pick or so.

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Old 10-20-2012, 09:57 PM   #31
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When is the last time a highly rated Irish player lived up to his hype?
Bettis? Theismann? Brown? Nobody?
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Old 10-20-2012, 10:10 PM   #32
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Justin Tuck (2005), David Bruton (yah, I'm including him), Bertrand Berry (1997) are about it as far as good NFL defensive players drafted out of ND in the last 15 years or so. Pretty slim pickens.
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i want Teo badly, but sell the farm? hell no. only player i would have agreed to do that for was RGIII most recently and before him it was Adrian Peterson.
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Teams seemed to have good success drafting MLB in the 1st round compared to other positions.

I think DJ should start in the middle when he comes back, rotating woodyard and the rookie on the weakside. Brookings off the bench to spell any position. DJ is not the best MLB, but he is the best option. Brookings shouldn't be a starter every week as teams will start to game plan around his lack of speed.
Dj could not play Mike several years ago was to dumb to call the plays in correctly let alone make adjustments. Under a more complex scheme that he has not even seen yet let alone play, your ok with giving the keys to the whole defense.


As for WW he is a top rated LB for run stopping. Ahead of hawk, Briggs, ryanns and Cushing.
Why do you morons want to reinvent the wheel.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...e-linebackers/

I believe we should let the coaches make these decision based on what they see and what they feel they need in the up coming games..

If they put dumb ass in so be it. But whatever they do it will not be before week ten and if he does play I doubt he will be in GAME shape till week 12.
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Bettis? Theismann? Brown? Nobody?
Those were decades ago at best. And thousands have played since.

ND used to be a preimier football school. But has fallen on hard times since.
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One thing to not sell the farm but moving up, if you feel this one player/position will get us over the hump , is not a horrible idea. We do have other needs as of right no on D but if I could see getting a stud MIKE, we have 2 out of 3 posibble pro bowlers at LB.
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Hey, Mike Stonebreaker had 64 tackles for the Frankfurt Galaxy in 1995!
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Hey, Mike Stonebreaker had 64 tackles for the Frankfurt Galaxy in 1995!
Ok, you are being too literal with the "Stud" MIKE. I will now change to Middle Linebacker. Try finding a guy with that name Kip.
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Old 10-21-2012, 03:45 AM   #39
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The most recent 1st round picks for Notre Dame have been:

Brady Quinn - hasn't panned out to date.
Jeff Faine - Standout center for a while, injuries have dicked up a good chunk of his career.
Luke Petitgout - Standout guard, long term starter.
Reynaldo Wynn - 13 year player, started for almost a decade, solid but unspectacular DT.
Bryant Young - borderline HOFer at DT. Lived up to and exceeded the hype.
Aaron Taylor - solid starter at guard who's potential for more was derailed by injuries, which also ended his career short.
Jeff Burris - good starting CB for the better part of 10 years.

I could go on, but general trend is this:
1st round ND QBs are always overhyped in the post-Montana era.
High profile ND linemen produce.

ND hasn't produced a high profile LB in ages, so there is no real trend for Te'o. He's an MLB so his combine will be huge in determining his draft status. If he doesn't run an elite 40 he's not a top 15 player. As for trading up, if he's available for a reasonable trade I'd be game, but I think we'll be too far away for any kind of reasonable trade.
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He won't be there at 32. Pass.
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I have no problem with drafting Te'o. However, I do have a problem with trading UP to get him. The ND defense as a whole is pretty good. Is Te'o really that great of a MLB or is the talent around him pretty darn good too?

Take Patric Willis as a good example of drafting a great MLB. He was taken out of Mississippi but as far as I can remember, Mississippi didn't have a great defense the years that Willis played there. He stood out as a beast at LBer because he played in the SEC, not because he was on a great defensive team (right? at least that is what I remember).

It's good to see Al Wilson's name on that list. Shanny struck friggen gold with that pick. I'd love for the Broncos to draft a blue chip MLB or ILB but I don't think they have to have Te'o. He's not the only good ILB in this draft. Fact is the Broncos probably have no shot at him so their friggen scouting department better be looking out for the best ILB to take in either the late first round or the second/third round.

Again, if Te'o blows up the combine, the Broncos ain't gonna draft him because he will be gone by the 12 pick or so.
The ND defense has been garbage up until this year. When we needed a stop it was never "let's go D!" it was more "Make a play Manti!"
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The ND defense has been garbage up until this year. When we needed a stop it was never "let's go D!" it was more "Make a play Manti!"
ND is going to be ass raped next week.
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Those were decades ago at best. And thousands have played since.

ND used to be a preimier football school. But has fallen on hard times since.
I know, I think they're in their 3rd decade of rebuilding....
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For all you "don't draft a ND player because they don't pan out" people, I'm pretty sure that's what they said about Tedford QB's a few years ago.

The truth is, Te'o is a great player who has started for 4 years and been solid. He is a leader and a high character guy. He has been a stud for the last 7 years. He is not a one year wonder. ND might not get a lot of stud LB in the NFL, but they don't get a lot of stud LB recruits (#1 LB in the nation by virtually every recruit ranking agency) and top 10 recruit overall by most.

He is the best player available at the position we need most. The FO has to consider moving up, and decide what he is worth and where they think they can get him. If he is unspectacular at the combine, he might drop to the late teens. Assuming we're at the bottom of the draft, It might take a first and a second to get up there. I think it is worth that.
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The ND defense has been garbage up until this year. When we needed a stop it was never "let's go D!" it was more "Make a play Manti!"
ND as a whole has been garbage for a long time now. I still think the entire defense has gelled and Manti is part of it, but he's no Patrick Willis. However, I could be wrong.
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ND is going to be ass raped next week.
That is entirely possible. While I love the #5 ranking and all I know full well that there are several teams in the top 15-20 that I think could beat us. OU is one of them. I still think we can beat USC though. Either way, we have far surpassed my expectations for this year and think that we will be legitimate contender a whole lot sooner than I thought.

Now, back to Manti Teo!
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It's still pretty early to project a player's draft position but , Draftcountdown is projecting himm around #25, Cbs sports shows him at #29.
He is a flashy player and looks good on national TV. Reminds me of Bosworth, w/o the mouth.
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Teo is a beast, might be just the MLB we need to improve this defense into a juggernaut.
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