Chris Harris eventual move to Safety - Page 2 - The Orange Mane

BroncoMan4ever · 10-18-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fwf

They brought porter in at a hefty price which tells me they couldnt count on harris being the starter. Only a dope would compare Champ to Harris.

They brought Porter in for 1 year, which to me says, they liked Harris and Carter but didn't think they were ready to start. I really don't understand the notion of mocing a corner to safety when they are still working out as a corner.

vancejohnson82 · 10-18-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Action

So you need to be Champ or Revis to play corner now?

And Chris Harris is a physical athletic corner.

I'm not entertaining this thread any more... Chris Harris will never move to safety unless every single one gets injured.

oh man...i was going to post but then realized that this guy left...now this thread is unofficial

ZONA · 10-18-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Action

Exactly. I really wonder what some of these people do in their daily lives.

Someone is excelling at what they do and you want to completely change what they do. Harris is a cornerback that excels in physical man to man coverage. He hasn't been playing the technique of safeties at all in the NFL, and people want to talk about moving him there?

It's just disgusting some of the thoughts people have on here.

It's an opinion about a football player playing football - I think the word disgusting is definitely not the correct word you were after. Frustrating maybe is something more to the liken.

I for one would like to see Harris get some "time" at SS. I love him in the slot right now but he's not the starter, Porter is. He comes in in nickel and dime defenses. I'd like to see him get some reps at SS just to get on the field more and to see how he does there. He can still play dime/nickel CB.

fwf · 10-18-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

They brought Porter in for 1 year, which to me says, they liked Harris and Carter but didn't think they were ready to start. I really don't understand the notion of mocing a corner to safety when they are still working out as a corner.

I got to think Harris has better long term potential at Safety then Corner based on his body and athleticism. He's not a 4.4 guy and I bet he's barely 4.5. they should look into this offseason

Drunken.Broncoholic · 10-18-2012, 01:24 PM

Pure starting CB is a more important position than safety. 3rd CB not as much. Safeties who are used in packages that turn them into situational nickel CBs are pretty dam impactful. Just look at how polomalu and Woodson are used. Having said that, Harris is neither of those guys and should stay in the position he's progressing at now.

Drek · 10-18-2012, 01:52 PM

Problems with this plan:

1. Harris is a good tackler for a corner, he'd be average for a safety and isn't big enough to consistently hold up between the tackles. What do you think a quality FB would do to the kid?

2. Nickel corner is a pretty high value tackling position as well, FYI, which is why everyone noticed Harris' tackling skills in the first place. A lot of times the nickel corner has first crack at the RB on running plays out of spread looks.

3. The nickel corner blitz has been one of the few very successful blitz packages we've been able to run. A big part of that probably comes from Harris being in that role. We shouldn't be dicking with one of the few ways we've found to hit opposing QBs.

4. Harris has the speed and quickness to hang with quality slot WRs. That is already incredibly valuable in the slot, and bodes well for his eventual transition to the wing as a full time starting CB. The value of those tools is only reduced by moving him to safety.

5. Harris jams better than every CB on our team not named Champ. Pretty damn important tool for a nickel CB to have, not nearly as vital for a safety.

All in all, it's putting a square peg into a round hole just because it fits that round hole better than all your undersized round pegs. The solution isn't jamming him into a worse spot for him, it's getting more high quality square pegs.

Drek · 10-18-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fwf

I got to think Harris has better long term potential at Safety then Corner based on his body and athleticism. He's not a 4.4 guy and I bet he's barely 4.5. they should look into this offseason

He actually ran a 4.48, so yeah, he's a 4.4 guy and comparable to most starting CBs in the NFL.

fwf · 10-18-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Drek

He actually ran a 4.48, so yeah, he's a 4.4 guy and comparable to most starting CBs in the NFL.

Nah he aint as fast as most corners. Not game speed fast at least. I get what youre saying, but long term, i think he would serve us better at safety. Theres a reason he wasnt drafted and wasnt invited to the combine. Its bc the measurables arent there. Most legit CB cant fake it thou and have the measurables. We got a steal bc Harris is football player with great instincts and toughness. Not to mention a hell of a tackler. I vote safety, but thats just my opinion

DarkHorse · 10-18-2012, 02:23 PM

Harris is one of my favorite players to watch on the team, I think he's gonna continue to grow as a CB but if he's moved to S I expect the same growth out of him. Good, underrated player.

KS Bronco · 10-18-2012, 02:28 PM

manning is playing well at qb, lets move him to mlb

LongDongJohnson · 10-18-2012, 03:00 PM

This idea is as smart as my old idea of moving Tim Tebow to OLB back in 2010 when Dumervil got injured.

DBroncos4life · 10-18-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

Porter would play CB, Harris SS, and Bolden can play the slot...or shoudl I be considered an idiot by the likes of the all knowledgable Action?

No one can match his knowledge! My hope would be Carter could be used to shadow and follow opposing TEs. I was wrong about Carter, kid can play. I'm not sold on giving Bolden playing time just yet.

TheReverend · 10-18-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LongDongJohnson

This idea is as smart as my old idea of moving Tim Tebow to OLB back in 2010 when Dumervil got injured.

Holy **** I think I remember that.

Mountain Bronco · 10-18-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fwf

Nah he aint as fast as most corners. Not game speed fast at least. I get what youre saying, but long term, i think he would serve us better at safety. Theres a reason he wasnt drafted and wasnt invited to the combine. Its bc the measurables arent there. Most legit CB cant fake it thou and have the measurables. We got a steal bc Harris is football player with great instincts and toughness. Not to mention a hell of a tackler. I vote safety, but thats just my opinion

So why weren't Foster, Smith and others drafted

Lots of good players go undrafted, it isn't a perfect science. Your theory makes no sense and frankly sucks. He is a good CB don't move him, get better safeties.

Bacchus · 10-18-2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gyldenlove

Cornerback is a much higher priority position than safety, if he is a good corner he has to stay there.

I agree with this but if moving him to Safety means Denver can move Carter to slot this might work out pretty well. It would most assurdly be a faster unit that what is on the field now.

BroncoMan4ever · 10-18-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fwf

I got to think Harris has better long term potential at Safety then Corner based on his body and athleticism. He's not a 4.4 guy and I bet he's barely 4.5. they should look into this offseason

He may not have the prototypical speed for a corner, but he has really good coverage skills. I think unless the team has someone who can be an upgrade from him, it makes no sense to switch his position.

LongDongJohnson · 10-18-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Holy **** I think I remember that.

Of course unlike this guy,

I wasnt serious.

Lestat · 10-18-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountain Bronco

Typical Mane thoughts. Dude is a second year player playing great at CB yet we already are talking about moving him to safety

i agree, but in fairness... have you seen Mike Adams at SS?

Action · 10-18-2012, 04:37 PM

Tony Carter is an outside corner, not an inside. Tony Carter has ONLY played the outside corner position this season and he's stayed there.

When Harris was out, on passing downs Porter moved inside and Carter came in on the outside. When Porter was out, on passing downs, Harris moved to the inside and Carter came in on the outside.

DBroncos4life · 10-18-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Action

Tony Carter is an outside corner, not an inside...

Are you lost?

Action · 10-18-2012, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Are you lost?

... what?

Clarify.

DBroncos4life · 10-18-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Action

... what?

Clarify.

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Originally Posted by Action

So you need to be Champ or Revis to play corner now?

And Chris Harris is a physical athletic corner.

I'm not entertaining this thread any more... Chris Harris will never move to safety unless every single one gets injured.

I guess so...

Action · 10-18-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

I guess so...

Nice try at that save. But you failed miserably.

I think you actually thought that Tony Carter played inside corner. That's what took you so long to respond. You realized you had no idea that Tony Carter in fact only plays outside corner.

Your response makes no sense, what does me being lost have to do with me saying I'm not entertaining this thread anymore?

Why would you come at me with a question of me being lost when I said nothing in direction to anyone really, and I was just making a clarification of Tony Carters position? People should try and pay attention next time he's on the field.

And for the record, I was done with entertaining Chris Harris being as safety.

EDIT
I see, you suggested that Tony Carter should be used to shadow opposing TE's, thus suggesting he should play inside. And you felt offended I said he only plays outside.

Makes sense, you had no idea he only played outside corner so you had to make a save on your remark of me being lost. It's ok, we're all wrong sometimes. Some more than others

DBroncos4life · 10-18-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Action

Nice try at that save. But you failed miserably.

I think you actually thought that Tony Carter played inside corner. That's what took you so long to respond. You realized you had no idea that Tony Carter in fact only plays outside corner.

Your response makes no sense, what does me being lost have to do with me saying I'm not entertaining this thread anymore?

Why would you come at me with a question of me being lost when I said nothing in direction to anyone really, and I was just making a clarification of Tony Carters position? People should try and pay attention next time he's on the field.

And for the record, I was done with entertaining Chris Harris being as safety.

EDIT
I see, you suggested that Tony Carter should be used to shadow opposing TE's, thus suggesting he should play inside. And you felt offended I said he only plays outside.

Makes sense, you had no idea he only played outside corner so you had to make a save on your remark of me being lost. It's ok, we're all wrong sometimes. Some more than others

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Neither Carter or Porter can play slot very well. It's a bad idea for that reason.

Post 23 Dumbass.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 10-18-2012, 05:06 PM

Actually DBlife was never responding to the outside inside arguement. His first response asked if you were lost, meaning he's asking why you made it a point to announce a departure in this thread. Then a while later posting right back in it.

10-18-2012, 04:37 PM	#44
Action Perennial Pro-bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 883 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Tony Carter is an outside corner, not an inside. Tony Carter has ONLY played the outside corner position this season and he's stayed there. When Harris was out, on passing downs Porter moved inside and Carter came in on the outside. When Porter was out, on passing downs, Harris moved to the inside and Carter came in on the outside. Last edited by Action; 10-18-2012 at 04:39 PM..

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10-18-2012, 01:24 PM	#30
Drunken.Broncoholic Steppin on feet Pickled in Orange and Blue Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Carmel Ca Posts: 6,260 Adopt-a-Bronco: LeLo Lang	Pure starting CB is a more important position than safety. 3rd CB not as much. Safeties who are used in packages that turn them into situational nickel CBs are pretty dam impactful. Just look at how polomalu and Woodson are used. Having said that, Harris is neither of those guys and should stay in the position he's progressing at now.

10-18-2012, 01:52 PM	#31
Drek Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,316	Problems with this plan: 1. Harris is a good tackler for a corner, he'd be average for a safety and isn't big enough to consistently hold up between the tackles. What do you think a quality FB would do to the kid? 2. Nickel corner is a pretty high value tackling position as well, FYI, which is why everyone noticed Harris' tackling skills in the first place. A lot of times the nickel corner has first crack at the RB on running plays out of spread looks. 3. The nickel corner blitz has been one of the few very successful blitz packages we've been able to run. A big part of that probably comes from Harris being in that role. We shouldn't be dicking with one of the few ways we've found to hit opposing QBs. 4. Harris has the speed and quickness to hang with quality slot WRs. That is already incredibly valuable in the slot, and bodes well for his eventual transition to the wing as a full time starting CB. The value of those tools is only reduced by moving him to safety. 5. Harris jams better than every CB on our team not named Champ. Pretty damn important tool for a nickel CB to have, not nearly as vital for a safety. All in all, it's putting a square peg into a round hole just because it fits that round hole better than all your undersized round pegs. The solution isn't jamming him into a worse spot for him, it's getting more high quality square pegs.

10-18-2012, 02:23 PM	#34
DarkHorse RPM Racer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 4,680 Adopt-a-Bronco: Kenny McKinley	Harris is one of my favorite players to watch on the team, I think he's gonna continue to grow as a CB but if he's moved to S I expect the same growth out of him. Good, underrated player.

10-18-2012, 02:28 PM	#35
KS Bronco Seasoned Veteran New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 256 Adopt-a-Bronco: Steven Johnson	manning is playing well at qb, lets move him to mlb

10-18-2012, 03:00 PM	#36
LongDongJohnson Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,626 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	This idea is as smart as my old idea of moving Tim Tebow to OLB back in 2010 when Dumervil got injured.

10-18-2012, 05:06 PM	#50
Drunken.Broncoholic Steppin on feet Pickled in Orange and Blue Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Carmel Ca Posts: 6,260 Adopt-a-Bronco: LeLo Lang	Actually DBlife was never responding to the outside inside arguement. His first response asked if you were lost, meaning he's asking why you made it a point to announce a departure in this thread. Then a while later posting right back in it.