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Old 09-19-2012, 09:13 AM   #1
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PFF has Franklin rated as the #1 RT in the league.

Clady is the #7 LT
Beadles is the #7 LG
Walton is the #6 C
Ramirez is the #18 RG

I guess knowing what you're supposed to be doing is helpful to an OL.

In case anyone isn't familiar with PFF, this isn't just someone's opinion. They break down every play, looking at the responsibilities of each player and determining how well each player is doing what they are asked to do.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:14 AM   #2
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The Manning effect...
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The Well Known Manning Effect.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:23 AM   #4
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Franklin has made amazing improvement with his footwork. He's the best offensive lineman on the team. If Kuper can come back at 100% this is the best line in the whole league. Hell even Walton looks to be really improved.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:25 AM   #6
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Yeah that is the Manning effect! He gets the ball out alot quicker than Tebow and Orton who don't get rid of the ball at all!
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:35 AM   #7
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Franklin has been absolutely solid, he has held up against the pass rush very well even against speed rushers who really gave him fits last year and he is still a beast in run blocking.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:42 AM   #9
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Franklin is lights above his rookie season...he gets it! One reason to not judge too quickly on some positions during a player's rookie season. I think cornerback is one tough position to adjust from college.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:50 AM   #10
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PFF has Franklin rated as the #1 RT in the league.

Clady is the #7 LT
Beadles is the #7 LG
Walton is the #6 C
Ramirez is the #18 RG

I guess knowing what you're supposed to be doing is helpful to an OL.

In case anyone isn't familiar with PFF, this isn't just someone's opinion. They break down every play, looking at the responsibilities of each player and determining how well each player is doing what they are asked to do.
I do not want to tell everyone i told you so but......

The line was not nearly as bad as everyone was saying. Tim Tebow was the problem, not the offensive line. A real QB does wonders for how we the public perceives the OL and how they are playing.
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He's good at recovering fumbles, too. Oh, wait.........
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I do not want to tell everyone i told you so but......

The line was not nearly as bad as everyone was saying. Tim Tebow was the problem, not the offensive line. A real QB does wonders for how we the public perceives the OL and how they are playing.
It's amazing how well it helps, when the offensive line doesn't have to hold their blocks. We just need to work on the WR routes, and we'll be solid...
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Franklin has made amazing improvement with his footwork. He's the best offensive lineman on the team. If Kuper can come back at 100% this is the best line in the whole league. Hell even Walton looks to be really improved.
Franklin has looked awesome, but Beadles has been beastly so far this season.
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None of this surprises me. Obviously, the coaches see Franklin everyday in practice and knew his only problem was getting experience. Same thing with Beadles and Walton.

But the experts on this board watches a rookie in preseason and already expect him to be playing at the level of a solid veteran. I.E., we have countless threads and posts asking, or demanding, that Franklin gets kicked inside to guard because he struggled in preseason as a rookie & had growing pains as a starter. Not everyone can play like Clady as a rookie. That's why Clady was a high #1 pick and Orlando was a mid-to-low 2nd round pick.

Phillip Blake is already a bust to some because he struggled as a rookie. I will not believe it until he is cut from the team. He was stashed on IR because he just isn't ready, but they want to give him another year to improve. I don't believe for a minute that he was drafted to start this year. They are obviously, very happy with Walton and Beadles.

These Broncos coaches are good, folks, real good; esp. Maguzu & JDR. Which is why I won't worry about Rahim Moore until the coaches themselves give up on him and cut him.
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Franklin has looked awesome, but Beadles has been beastly so far this season.
It's only been two games into the season, but I'm just baffled as to the Pro-Bowl season Beadles is having so far, given his performance last year.
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Old 09-19-2012, 10:45 AM   #16
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i never had an issue with Franklin. i don't know if it's Elway or Elway listening to his people, but dude is beastly at drafting.
it's kinda starting to freak me out with the players he's brought in in just two drafts.
but i must wholeheartedly apologize to Zane Beadles.
i dogged that man out something fierce last season and he and Franklin have been beasts this season.

i don't know what happened to Zane, if the change in offense is helping him, studying with Manning or he just finally "gets it." but the boy has been a bad, bad man this year.
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I've got to admit... hated when the Broncos drafted Franklin. Then, I wanted them to move him to guard. But after the first two games, he's been great at right tackle. Great pick by the Broncos, gotta give credit where credit is due.

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None of this surprises me. Obviously, the coaches see Franklin everyday in practice and knew his only problem was getting experience. Same thing with Beadles and Walton.

But the experts on this board watches a rookie in preseason and already expect him to be playing at the level of a solid veteran. I.E., we have countless threads and posts asking, or demanding, that Franklin gets kicked inside to guard because he struggled in preseason as a rookie & had growing pains as a starter. Not everyone can play like Clady as a rookie. That's why Clady was a high #1 pick and Orlando was a mid-to-low 2nd round pick.

Phillip Blake is already a bust to some because he struggled as a rookie. I will not believe it until he is cut from the team. He was stashed on IR because he just isn't ready, but they want to give him another year to improve. I don't believe for a minute that he was drafted to start this year. They are obviously, very happy with Walton and Beadles.

These Broncos coaches are good, folks, real good; esp. Maguzu & JDR. Which is why I won't worry about Rahim Moore until the coaches themselves give up on him and cut him.
I do not even know how many times I said much the same thing.

Whe it comes down to OL play in particular it is knowing and trusting the guy next to you. Absolutely knowing what the guy next to you will do in every situation. Trusting it will happen. That does not come in a few games. In some cases years look at the really great OLs KC had one in front of Trent green they led the league in running and pass protect hell it was so good TY was all pro a few years. They did not have the best talent but it was good and they were together for almost a decade at the end.

But alas they all got old at the same time and one of the huge reasons that led to the chefs sucking like they do today.

Instead of infusing a new guy every few years to keep them less than ancient.

What we have in DEN is good if they all stay healthy. Lupe has a area more great years in him then it is time to make him a backup and put a stud in there. Give it a couple of years after that and do the same with Clady.

IMO LOS talent should be drafted #1 like every other year. One year OL and next time DL. Keeps the talent young that way.
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Doesnt this show what kind of a joke PFF is?

According to them we had a terrible line last year
I think Walton, Franklin, and Beadles were all ranked like among the worst of their position
And Clady was garbage to according to them

All of a sudden they are among the best?

I do not think any line could effectively block for the player nicknamed "pocket sloth" and the guy who takes 8 seconds to throw like our guys were asked to do last year

Line looks good though, very happy with Franklin
Still not convinced Beadles and Walton can be long term starters, but they will have time to prove it
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i never had an issue with Franklin. i don't know if it's Elway or Elway listening to his people, but dude is beastly at drafting.
it's kinda starting to freak me out with the players he's brought in in just two drafts.
but i must wholeheartedly apologize to Zane Beadles.
i dogged that man out something fierce last season and he and Franklin have been beasts this season.

i don't know what happened to Zane, if the change in offense is helping him, studying with Manning or he just finally "gets it." but the boy has been a bad, bad man this year.
Being a third year guy having a real offseason this year to get the weight room reps in with guidance from professionals. Having a real OL coach and manning behind him have all helped.
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i never had an issue with Franklin. i don't know if it's Elway or Elway listening to his people, but dude is beastly at drafting.
it's kinda starting to freak me out with the players he's brought in in just two drafts.
but i must wholeheartedly apologize to Zane Beadles.
i dogged that man out something fierce last season and he and Franklin have been beasts this season.
It's a combo of both. To his credit, last year he put his ego aside and was willing to learn the job. He took-in tremendous input from Matt Russel, Fox, and yes, Xanders. I assure you that taking Von Miller instead of Marcell Dareous(the consensus pick) and Wolfe before all the usual suspects is because he listens to Fox & the scouts, esp on defense.

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i don't know what happened to Zane, if the change in offense is helping him, studying with Manning or he just finally "gets it." but the boy has been a bad, bad man this year.
Two things: Maguzu & time. Believe me on this, Maguzu is the 2nd best OL coach the Broncos has ever had, behind Alex Gibbs, and the gap is closing.
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Old 09-19-2012, 11:34 AM   #22
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I don't know about the best O-lineman but he has been pretty damn good.

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It's a combo of both. To his credit, last year he put his ego aside and was willing to learn the job. He took-in tremendous input from Matt Russel, Fox, and yes, Xanders. I assure you that taking Von Miller instead of Marcell Dareous(the consensus pick) and Wolfe before all the usual suspects is because he listens to Fox & the scouts, esp on defense.



Two things: Maguzu & time. Believe me on this, Maguzu is the 2nd best OL coach the Broncos has ever had, behind Alex Gibbs, and the gap is closing.
i know Maguzu is good, i just thought Walton and Beadles were a lost cause.
Beadles has become a beast though so far. he and Kuper will be a very nice guard tandem to go along with a very nice tackle tandem of Clady and Franklin.

i kind of figured it was a combo of both. he's been really smart in most of his decisions and has been money on them for the most part.
we just need a MLB and a DT and we'll be set on D.
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Cant wait to see Kuper back in that line, then we'll be a top 5-10 line for sure and moving upward quickly.
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