OBAMA BRIBING DEFENSE CONTRACTORS TO HIDE LOOMING LAYOFFS - The Orange Mane

ant1999e · 10-03-2012, 02:58 PM

Barack Obama is practicing a sneaky way of firing people from their jobs without them knowing until after he’s reelected. His labor department is, in effect, bribing defense contractors to wait until after the November election to announce the certain layoffs that will occur as a result of Obama’s sequestration.
Here’s how it works. The Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act generally requires employers with at least 100 employees to announce to employees that they will be fired 60 days before they are let go if the layoffs are reasonably foreseeable. Because of the looming sequestration, courtesy of Obama, mass layoffs at defense plants are expected to occur after January 1. But 60 days before that would mean the announcement would come just before the election, and Obama would have to deal with thousands of disgruntled former employees.
In July, the Labor Department laid the groundwork for this duplicity, saying it would be “inappropriate” for contractors to issue notices of potential layoffs that resulted from sequestration cuts. But a few contractors, most notably Lockheed Martin, wanted to follow the rule of law, and send out notices the way they were supposed to.
Then, this past Friday, the Office of Management and Budget sent out a letter to contractors that they would be compensated for legal costs if layoffs occur due to contract cancellations under sequestration — but only if the contractors follow the Labor guidance. The Labor Department knows that “employee compensation costs for [Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification] WARN act liability as determined by a court” might be likely, and they want to make sure the defense contractors don’t lose a cent in covering up the layoffs.
So just as the Democrats grandly announced last week they would investigate the Benghazi scandal (but tried to cover up that the investigation would occur after the election), now Obama and his shady practices strike again, leaving unsuspecting workers thinking they will have jobs when Obama is planning to leave them jobless.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ooming-layoffs

Smiling Assassin27 · 10-03-2012, 03:18 PM

Man, you think the law has any standing with this administration? Sebellius broke the law, no consequences. Interestingly, Obama, when he was running for president in 08, wanted to extend WARN notification to 90 DAYS when he cosponsored the FOREWARN bill in 2007.

Interestingly, Lockheed's gonna face penalties for violating the 60 day rule and guess who's gonna cover those--taxpayers. So much for you fools that rail against big corporations, as you know a smaller firm would NEVER get this treatment.

If you want to make the case that he's not asking LM to break the law and that LM is simply opting to incur the fine in lieu of notification, are you OK with covering the fine with taxpayer money, cuz you know that any business in their right mind would not incur an expense out of the goodness of their heart.

houghtam · 10-03-2012, 03:46 PM

Are those firings going to take place regardless of who is elected?

ant1999e · 10-03-2012, 04:00 PM

Yes as long as the sequestration goes through. Is this a serious question or are you trying to make a point?

peacepipe · 10-03-2012, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ant1999e

Barack Obama is practicing a sneaky way of firing people from their jobs without them knowing until after he’s reelected. His labor department is, in effect, bribing defense contractors to wait until after the November election to announce the certain layoffs that will occur as a result of Obama’s sequestration.
Here’s how it works. The Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act generally requires employers with at least 100 employees to announce to employees that they will be fired 60 days before they are let go if the layoffs are reasonably foreseeable. Because of the looming sequestration, courtesy of Obama, mass layoffs at defense plants are expected to occur after January 1. But 60 days before that would mean the announcement would come just before the election, and Obama would have to deal with thousands of disgruntled former employees.
In July, the Labor Department laid the groundwork for this duplicity, saying it would be “inappropriate” for contractors to issue notices of potential layoffs that resulted from sequestration cuts. But a few contractors, most notably Lockheed Martin, wanted to follow the rule of law, and send out notices the way they were supposed to.
Then, this past Friday, the Office of Management and Budget sent out a letter to contractors that they would be compensated for legal costs if layoffs occur due to contract cancellations under sequestration — but only if the contractors follow the Labor guidance. The Labor Department knows that “employee compensation costs for [Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification] WARN act liability as determined by a court” might be likely, and they want to make sure the defense contractors don’t lose a cent in covering up the layoffs.
So just as the Democrats grandly announced last week they would investigate the Benghazi scandal (but tried to cover up that the investigation would occur after the election), now Obama and his shady practices strike again, leaving unsuspecting workers thinking they will have jobs when Obama is planning to leave them jobless.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ooming-layoffs

briebart....slanderer & liar. what a great source.

elsid13 · 10-03-2012, 04:22 PM

The dirty little secret is none of the big boys (like Lockheed) are going to see any problem due to sequestration til the end of the government fiscal year. If they have contract already in place (like most of them) for M&P then they have orders and the government will pay them. If they are waiting on new start then it will be problem, but that because Congress failed to do its job.

ant1999e · 10-03-2012, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe

briebart....slanderer & liar. what a great source.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/10...ngs-80584.html

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_t...ion-costs.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...71a_story.html

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...ctors-told.htm

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill...layoff-notices

ant1999e · 10-03-2012, 04:45 PM

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=obama+defense+contractors

lonestar · 10-03-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ant1999e

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/10...ngs-80584.html

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_t...ion-costs.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...71a_story.html

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...ctors-told.htm

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill...layoff-notices

golly shucks, don't you know that all of them are Fox suck ups..

shame on you..

Arkie · 10-03-2012, 05:28 PM

This will hurt him among those working at defense plants, but it will help him gain some of the fiscally responsible voters.

W*GS · 10-03-2012, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ant1999e

Barack Obama is practicing a sneaky way of firing people from their jobs without them knowing until after he’s reelected. His labor department is, in effect, bribing defense contractors to wait until after the November election to announce the certain layoffs that will occur as a result of Obama’s sequestration.

"Obama's" sequestration?

Bull****.

You lie right off the get-go.

lonestar · 10-03-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS

"Obama's" sequestration?

Bull****.

You lie right off the get-go.

I see that Wild Ass Guess has chimed in..

W*GS · 10-03-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar

I see that Wild Ass Guess has chimed in..

I see lonebraincell has nothing to offer.

Bacchus · 10-03-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe

briebart....slanderer & liar. what a great source.

LMAO......I'm glad that puss is dead. I hope his website has the same ending.

lonestar · 10-03-2012, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W*GS

I see lonebraincell has nothing to offer.

Wild Ass Guess.. that the best you can do?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 10-03-2012, 08:32 PM

ant1999 = the boy who cried wolf.....ad nauseum.

The only difference is this is the Internet, so the villagers can't run him out of town on a rail.

W*GS · 10-03-2012, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lonestar

Wild Ass Guess.. that the best you can do?

You're not deserving of my good stuff. A simple brushoff more than suffices.

ant1999e · 10-03-2012, 08:49 PM

Funny how the only response the left ever has is personal attacks or "but Bush". Nevermind the facts and the present.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 10-03-2012, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ant1999e

Funny how the only response the left ever has is personal attacks or "but Bush". Nevermind the facts and the present.

Funny how you have started so many threads peddling breitbart.com disinfo that has been debunked and still expect people to take you seriously.

You are the boy who cried wolf.

Bacchus · 10-03-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ant1999e

Funny how the only response the left ever has is personal attacks or "but Bush". Nevermind the facts and the present.

Ok, if this is true good for him. No sense releasing information that might hurt him in the election.

There good enough for you.

ant1999e · 10-03-2012, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bacchus

Ok, if this is true good for him. No sense releasing information that might hurt him in the election.

There good enough for you.

It is. It shows your blind support.
So any penalties these companies may incur will be paid by the taxpayers to protect him.

lonestar · 10-03-2012, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ant1999e

It is. It shows your blind support.
So any penalties these companies may incur will be paid by the taxpayers to protect him.

great point..

Rohirrim · 10-04-2012, 06:37 AM

I think this pretty much sums up what's happening: But defense advocates want them to step right back, taking a threat originally designed to twist Congress’s arm and use it to twist Obama’s.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz28KxoVVVh

The idea that this is Obama's sequestration is just more propaganda. Do people really fall for this bull****? I guess idiots do.

This is just some Republicans in Congress trying to turn sequestration into a club they can use to bash Obama with. All I need to see is who is at the head of the mob: Graham, McCain and Grassley. That pretty much says it all.

I'm still waiting for the Republicans in Congress to do the jobs they get paid to do. I guess there's not much chance of that.

10-03-2012, 02:58 PM	#1
ant1999e Ring of Famer WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: BFE Posts: 5,980 Adopt-a-Bronco: Money Ball	OBAMA BRIBING DEFENSE CONTRACTORS TO HIDE LOOMING LAYOFFS Barack Obama is practicing a sneaky way of firing people from their jobs without them knowing until after he’s reelected. His labor department is, in effect, bribing defense contractors to wait until after the November election to announce the certain layoffs that will occur as a result of Obama’s sequestration. Here’s how it works. The Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act generally requires employers with at least 100 employees to announce to employees that they will be fired 60 days before they are let go if the layoffs are reasonably foreseeable. Because of the looming sequestration, courtesy of Obama, mass layoffs at defense plants are expected to occur after January 1. But 60 days before that would mean the announcement would come just before the election, and Obama would have to deal with thousands of disgruntled former employees. In July, the Labor Department laid the groundwork for this duplicity, saying it would be “inappropriate” for contractors to issue notices of potential layoffs that resulted from sequestration cuts. But a few contractors, most notably Lockheed Martin, wanted to follow the rule of law, and send out notices the way they were supposed to. Then, this past Friday, the Office of Management and Budget sent out a letter to contractors that they would be compensated for legal costs if layoffs occur due to contract cancellations under sequestration — but only if the contractors follow the Labor guidance. The Labor Department knows that “employee compensation costs for [Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification] WARN act liability as determined by a court” might be likely, and they want to make sure the defense contractors don’t lose a cent in covering up the layoffs. So just as the Democrats grandly announced last week they would investigate the Benghazi scandal (but tried to cover up that the investigation would occur after the election), now Obama and his shady practices strike again, leaving unsuspecting workers thinking they will have jobs when Obama is planning to leave them jobless. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ooming-layoffs

10-04-2012, 06:37 AM	#23
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,833	I think this pretty much sums up what's happening: But defense advocates want them to step right back, taking a threat originally designed to twist Congress’s arm and use it to twist Obama’s. Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz28KxoVVVh The idea that this is Obama's sequestration is just more propaganda. Do people really fall for this bull***? I guess idiots do. This is just some Republicans in Congress trying to turn sequestration into a club they can use to bash Obama with. All I need to see is who is at the head of the mob: Graham, McCain and Grassley. That pretty much says it all. I'm still waiting for the Republicans in Congress to do the jobs they get paid to do. I guess there's not much chance of that. Last edited by Rohirrim; 10-04-2012 at 06:41 AM..*

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10-03-2012, 03:18 PM	#2
Smiling Assassin27 STOP! KIPER TIME! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 10,970 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Man, you think the law has any standing with this administration? Sebellius broke the law, no consequences. Interestingly, Obama, when he was running for president in 08, wanted to extend WARN notification to 90 DAYS when he cosponsored the FOREWARN bill in 2007. Interestingly, Lockheed's gonna face penalties for violating the 60 day rule and guess who's gonna cover those--taxpayers. So much for you fools that rail against big corporations, as you know a smaller firm would NEVER get this treatment. If you want to make the case that he's not asking LM to break the law and that LM is simply opting to incur the fine in lieu of notification, are you OK with covering the fine with taxpayer money, cuz you know that any business in their right mind would not incur an expense out of the goodness of their heart.

10-03-2012, 03:46 PM	#3
houghtam WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION MethWolfeAlliance Member #11001001 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lansing, MI Posts: 5,016 Adopt-a-Bronco: Demon Eagles	Are those firings going to take place regardless of who is elected?

10-03-2012, 04:00 PM	#4
ant1999e Ring of Famer WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: BFE Posts: 5,980 Adopt-a-Bronco: Money Ball	Yes as long as the sequestration goes through. Is this a serious question or are you trying to make a point?

10-03-2012, 04:22 PM	#6
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,081	The dirty little secret is none of the big boys (like Lockheed) are going to see any problem due to sequestration til the end of the government fiscal year. If they have contract already in place (like most of them) for M&P then they have orders and the government will pay them. If they are waiting on new start then it will be problem, but that because Congress failed to do its job.

10-03-2012, 04:45 PM	#8
ant1999e Ring of Famer WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: BFE Posts: 5,980 Adopt-a-Bronco: Money Ball	http://lmgtfy.com/?q=obama+defense+contractors

10-03-2012, 05:28 PM	#10
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,082 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	This will hurt him among those working at defense plants, but it will help him gain some of the fiscally responsible voters.

10-03-2012, 08:32 PM	#16
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,694	ant1999 = the boy who cried wolf.....ad nauseum. The only difference is this is the Internet, so the villagers can't run him out of town on a rail.

10-03-2012, 08:49 PM	#18
ant1999e Ring of Famer WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: BFE Posts: 5,980 Adopt-a-Bronco: Money Ball	Funny how the only response the left ever has is personal attacks or "but Bush". Nevermind the facts and the present.