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Old 09-25-2012, 01:18 PM   #1
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:22 PM   #2
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We've all yelled at refs in the past. But that is a span of years and years. There's more screw ups in 3 weeks than a decade of real ref blunders
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We've all yelled at refs in the past. But that is a span of years and years. There's more screw ups in 3 weeks than a decade of real ref blunders
That is the part that posters like gort don't get.
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:55 PM   #4
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Screw Hoculi and the other refs. I am for one don't think this is the NFL fault. The refs are demanding too much considering they only work 5hrs per week for 25 weeks and making well over six digits. Now they want a pension plan? Please.. whatever. I say let the scabs continue to ref the games.
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:59 PM   #5
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Screw Hoculi and the other refs. I am for one don't think this is the NFL fault. The refs are demanding too much considering they only work 5hrs per week for 25 weeks and making well over six digits. Now they want a pension plan? Please.. whatever. I say let the scabs continue to ref the games.
Cool story, bro.

Get used to watching watered down games and hour long first quarters. Oh and constant b****ing in the media.

Because if you love football, the thing you want to watch most on Tuesday isn't a recap of the weekend's games, it's how badly the refs screwed up.
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Screw Hoculi and the other refs. I am for one don't think this is the NFL fault. The refs are demanding too much considering they only work 5hrs per week for 25 weeks and making well over six digits. Now they want a pension plan? Please.. whatever. I say let the scabs continue to ref the games.
I guarantee that this place would be melting down, if the Broncos were the ones playing the Seahawks last night...
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Screw Hoculi and the other refs. I am for one don't think this is the NFL fault. The refs are demanding too much considering they only work 5hrs per week for 25 weeks and making well over six digits. Now they want a pension plan? Please.. whatever. I say let the scabs continue to ref the games.
Ha ha the NFL wants these guys to quit their fulltime jobs to just work for the NFL so they will make less money per year! Who Doesn't want less money per year! Another poster that doesn't know what is really going on!
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I guarantee that this place would be melting down, if the Broncos were the ones playing the Seahawks last night...
I understand what you're saying, but I'm not going to sit here and point my finger at the NFL while the locked out refs are sitting at home laughing it up. If you were the owners, would you give into the refs? i wouldn't.
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Cool story, bro.

Get used to watching watered down games and hour long first quarters. Oh and constant b****ing in the media.

Because if you love football, the thing you want to watch most on Tuesday isn't a recap of the weekend's games, it's how badly the refs screwed up.
its a business and should ran like a business. the fans are b****ing, yet watch every single second of the game. until the fans boycott, it wont change.
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Screw Hoculi and the other refs. I am for one don't think this is the NFL fault. The refs are demanding too much considering they only work 5hrs per week for 25 weeks and making well over six digits. Now they want a pension plan? Please.. whatever. I say let the scabs continue to ref the games.
The integrity of a multi-billion dollar league is clearly worth what they are asking for. To think otherwise, especially after the last three weeks is beyond laughable.
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Ha ha the NFL wants these guys to quit their fulltime jobs to just work for the NFL so they will make less money per year! Who Doesn't want less money per year! Another poster that doesn't know what is really going on!
please inform me than enlighten one. this is what i hear on the radio and read on the news. is this lock out because the refs don't want to quit their fulltime job or is it because they want a pension plan?
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The integrity of a multi-billion dollar league is clearly worth what they are asking for. To think otherwise, especially after the last three weeks is beyond laughable.
i think this is just the first step. giving into the refs can cause a ripple effect. i think of this as a business and as bad as things have been going, the money is still rolling in, sponsors are still lining up and the fans are still watching.
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please inform me than enlighten one. this is what i hear on the radio and read on the news. is this lock out because the refs don't want to quit their fulltime job or is it because they want a pension plan?
Full-time officials

The NFL wants seven full-time officials -- one at each officiating position -- to improve the overall quality of the group. Potentially, the number of full-timers could grow.

The NFLRA knows that to be full-time, officials would have to leave their other (full-time) jobs and lose income. The NFL is not going to pay them an amount equal to their present sum of two incomes, nor will it pay what MLB or NBA full-time referees make.
Again, the NFL is trying to make a change in the culture.

Proposed solution: The NFL caps the number of full-time officials and provides year-round physical training and rules seminars throughout the offseason to improve the quality and fitness of its officials group.

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To think this is just about a pension is wrong.
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i think this is just the first step. giving into the refs can cause a ripple effect. i think of this as a business and as bad as things have been going, the money is still rolling in, sponsors are still lining up and the fans are still watching.
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Full-time officials

The NFL wants seven full-time officials -- one at each officiating position -- to improve the overall quality of the group. Potentially, the number of full-timers could grow.

The NFLRA knows that to be full-time, officials would have to leave their other (full-time) jobs and lose income. The NFL is not going to pay them an amount equal to their present sum of two incomes, nor will it pay what MLB or NBA full-time referees make.
Again, the NFL is trying to make a change in the culture.

Proposed solution: The NFL caps the number of full-time officials and provides year-round physical training and rules seminars throughout the offseason to improve the quality and fitness of its officials group.

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=8421697
ok, im wrong for stating this is only about the pension, stupid mike and mike in the morning.

c'mon, you can't even compare NFL refs to NBA or MLB. NBA plays 80 games while MLB plays a gazillion games a year. to pay them on the same scale would be crazy.

do the college refs have some pension plan or paid as full time employees?
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Screw Hoculi and the other refs. I am for one don't think this is the NFL fault. The refs are demanding too much considering they only work 5hrs per week for 25 weeks and making well over six digits. Now they want a pension plan? Please.. whatever. I say let the scabs continue to ref the games.
whatever, they have a pension plan and the cash flush nfl wants to terminate it.........maybe you will get treated this way someday......?

regardless there is a significant difference between the replacements and the real ones..............plain as day.
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im not going to stop watching even if the product on the field is bad.
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ok, im wrong for stating this is only about the pension, stupid mike and mike in the morning.

c'mon, you can't even compare NFL refs to NBA or MLB. NBA plays 80 games while MLB plays a gazillion games a year. to pay them on the same scale would be crazy.

do the college refs have some pension plan or paid as full time employees?
blah, blah, blah..........

strike a deal in the middle, give them something positive and move.

nfl is being greedy
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Screw Hoculi and the other refs. I am for one don't think this is the NFL fault. The refs are demanding too much considering they only work 5hrs per week for 25 weeks and making well over six digits. Now they want a pension plan? Please.. whatever. I say let the scabs continue to ref the games.
The refs don't work "5 hours a week." How ridiculous. They typically work 25 to 30 hours a week, more if you are the head ref. They have to review game tape, make reports to the NFL, they work offseason as well, to get on the same page. They have full time jobs as well, which the NFL wants them to basically quit. Many are business owners, lawyers, judges, even doctors.

Would YOU work without any sort of a pension plan? And that's not even scratching the surface of the real issues behind this.

It's pretty clear from the first few weeks, how much more they do ref, than the people we have reffing right now. They may screw up on occasion, but they control the games. They never seem out of control of a game. They see at the speed of an NFL game - the current refs are slow as hell, they miss so much that is going on. It's why players are getting away with so much.

If they can afford to pay players and coaches the amount they do, they can afford to pony up to get real full time refs, and give them the pension they deserve.
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im not going to stop watching even if the product on the field is bad.
But you're hardcore. The majority of NFL fans are casual and they can and will eventually be turned off by a poor product.
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NFL ref already have have a pension,the big problem is the NFL wants to freeze & switch it to a less attractive 401.
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But you're hardcore. The majority of NFL fans are casual and they can and will eventually be turned off by a poor product.
XFL anyone?
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They typically work 25 to 30 hours a week, more if you are the head ref.
Hmm...sounds a little short to me. Does that include travel time? Because, you know, any job I've ever worked has also included my travel time.

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Exactly. And I have four hardcore friends (Packers fans, god bless em) who threw up their hands last night and swore off the rest of the season until the refs come back. How do I know that? They withdrew from our fantasy league.

Casual fans don't tune in to watch 4 hour games marred with penalties. They are the ones constantly complaining that the games last long enough as it is. They also don't like watered down product. TV ratings dropped 20% in 1987 for the time the players were on strike, and that was only 3 weeks long.
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I believe the referee situation for the NFL would be better if there was not a labor union involved. Free market talent etc. etc.

I.e. instead of having to negotiate with a union to represent all ~150 refs on pay, benefits, hours, working conditions, safety, etc. - just pay wages based on skill (not tenure) and keep the best & fire the rest. Having a labor union in the middle of all that complicates things as they treat the entire labor pool as one entity and individual skill becomes much less important.

I'd argue that labor unions for professional athletes is silly as well BUT I can see how vital their impact is relative to player safety i.e. working conditions.
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