The Orange Mane -  a Denver Broncos Fan Community  

Go Back   The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community > Orange Mane Discussion > Orange Mane Central Discussion
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Chat Room Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-11-2012, 09:31 AM   #1
jerseyguy4
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default Decker's dropped pass in end zone

For me, I took a lot from this play, and I think it told a much bigger story than a dropped pass.

When an offensive unit swaps QB's in the offseason, no change is bigger. The fact that Tebow and Manning couldn't be more different functionally makes the change even bigger than normal. Obviously, a tremendous amount of work has been expended all around the offense by each player. Plain truth - you cannot run a no-huddle unless you have a premium communication system in place. I say mission f'in accomplished.

There's been mounds of chatter about the work Manning has been doing with Decker and DT, and the results showed Sunday night. No question.

So it's 3rd and goal in the 4th quarter. A TD is imperative given the score and remaining clock time. Good play call followed by a perfect pass. The ball was just across the goal line, into single coverage, and Peyton put it where only Decker could have made the catch. Decker just strayed too far in and didn't have time to come back and get low.

Quite honestly, I don't care. A miscommunication issue with a newly formed offense?....par for the course. What's awesome is that I bet that play has already been reviewed and discussed. It wouldn't surprise me to learn they're practicing it right now. I'd bet my mother's ass that that mistake won't happen again.

Take note of the big errors over the first half of the season. Hell, maybe even enjoy them. I don't expect you'll get to see most of them a 2nd time. That's awesome.
  Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 09-11-2012, 09:38 AM   #2
gyldenlove
Ring of Famer
 
gyldenlove's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Nęstved, DK
Posts: 11,085

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Spencer Larsen
Default

I think that play is set up 100% by the PI call on the previous 3rd down, they know Decker is getting 1 on 1 on the outside and they know the CB is grabby like a 16 year old boy at a ho-down. On that 3rd down they know the short curl to the outside is going to be open because the safeties are kept close to the line and the linebackers are playing tight, Manning sees it and puts the ball on the pylon where either Decker gets it or he will get interfered with.

The CB gets his hand across Decker and gets a good fistful of jersey on the curl, the linejudge is right there but having had the stones to make the right call a few plays ago chickens out and doesn't call it. Decker doesn't get the clean rotation back to the ball and can't get his right arm up to make the catch in time.

I know Decker runs cleaner routes, but I think this kind of pass is actually better to throw to Thomas who can use his power to brush off the CB to come back to the ball, you know they hate calling PI on these passes so having a WR who can fight free of the CB is really important.
gyldenlove is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 09:43 AM   #3
lolcopter
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

Don't know why Decker decided to jump in the air on that play. It was a perfect pass, but decker seems more concerned with drawing another flag than catching the ball. Mental lapse
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 09:44 AM   #4
mhgaffney
Ring of Famer
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 11,190
Default

Decker will catch it -- next time.

He's on a learning curve.
mhgaffney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 09:47 AM   #5
55CrushEm
Dynamic Duo
 
55CrushEm's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: North of Boston, MA
Posts: 6,195

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Quanterus Smith
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jerseyguy4 View Post
For me, I took a lot from this play, and I think it told a much bigger story than a dropped pass.

When an offensive unit swaps QB's in the offseason, no change is bigger. The fact that Tebow and Manning couldn't be more different functionally makes the change even bigger than normal. Obviously, a tremendous amount of work has been expended all around the offense by each player. Plain truth - you cannot run a no-huddle unless you have a premium communication system in place. I say mission f'in accomplished.

There's been mounds of chatter about the work Manning has been doing with Decker and DT, and the results showed Sunday night. No question.

So it's 3rd and goal in the 4th quarter. A TD is imperative given the score and remaining clock time. Good play call followed by a perfect pass. The ball was just across the goal line, into single coverage, and Peyton put it where only Decker could have made the catch. Decker just strayed too far in and didn't have time to come back and get low.

Quite honestly, I don't care. A miscommunication issue with a newly formed offense?....par for the course. What's awesome is that I bet that play has already been reviewed and discussed. It wouldn't surprise me to learn they're practicing it right now. I'd bet my mother's ass that that mistake won't happen again.

Take note of the big errors over the first half of the season. Hell, maybe even enjoy them. I don't expect you'll get to see most of them a 2nd time. That's awesome.
That's an odd thing to bet.

How about a case of beer? Or a week's pay? Or YOUR ass?

I can't say that I've ever bet anyone my mother's ass.
55CrushEm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 09:48 AM   #6
Dedhed
Ring of Famer
 
Dedhed's Avatar
 
Fare thee well

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Earth
Posts: 10,264

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Q Smith
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lolcopter View Post
Don't know why Decker decided to jump in the air on that play. It was a perfect pass, but decker seems more concerned with drawing another flag than catching the ball. Mental lapse
Yeah, Decker seems to have issues on those types of plays. He doesn't seem to have the natural feel for how to work around a CB and find the ball. If he doesn't jump there he would have been able to fight through contact to get back to the ball.
Dedhed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 09:57 AM   #7
jerseyguy4
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 55CrushEm View Post
That's an odd thing to bet.

How about a case of beer? Or a week's pay? Or YOUR ass?

I can't say that I've ever bet anyone my mother's ass.
Betting her ass has a more confident ring to it than a case of beer.
Besides, she's a good sport.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 09:59 AM   #8
ludo21
RIP Darrent Williams
 
ludo21's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 19,384

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Paul Ernster
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 55CrushEm View Post
That's an odd thing to bet.

How about a case of beer? Or a week's pay? Or YOUR ass?

I can't say that I've ever bet anyone my mother's ass.


indeed. maybe he hates his mother, or her ass?
ludo21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 10:21 AM   #9
Jay3
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dedhed View Post
Yeah, Decker seems to have issues on those types of plays. He doesn't seem to have the natural feel for how to work around a CB and find the ball. If he doesn't jump there he would have been able to fight through contact to get back to the ball.
He just doesn't yet have good body control or good judgment about how to position his body. Every time he's in close quarters with a defender, it always seems like the play ends with Decker in an "Aggghhh!" position, with the ball slapping him right in a catchable location (like the hands, his body, something). Mistimes his jump, or jumps when he doesn't need to, something.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 10:22 AM   #10
Chris
Millenium Scrooge McDuck
 
Chris's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 7,562

Adopt-a-Bronco:
OrlandoFranklin
Default

Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 10:25 AM   #11
Bacchus
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

That play is a really tough one for the receiver, but Manning makes the play work because of his accuaracy and timing. Decker will do better next time.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 10:33 AM   #12
Dedhed
Ring of Famer
 
Dedhed's Avatar
 
Fare thee well

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Earth
Posts: 10,264

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Q Smith
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay3 View Post
He just doesn't yet have good body control or good judgment about how to position his body. Every time he's in close quarters with a defender, it always seems like the play ends with Decker in an "Aggghhh!" position, with the ball slapping him right in a catchable location (like the hands, his body, something). Mistimes his jump, or jumps when he doesn't need to, something.
Yeah, there was a play earlier in the game where he was really late adjusting to Manning's back shoulder throw. He didn't get his head around to find the ball, and couldn't make the catch because of it.

He needs to learn how to feel the CB while finding the football. Most of the really good WRs in the league are great at that, and it's an area where he struggles.
Dedhed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 10:57 AM   #13
oubronco
John Foneco !!
 
oubronco's Avatar
 
Mile High Magic

Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Sooner Country
Posts: 20,210
Default

This bet would be alot easier to make if the ass in question were shown
oubronco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 11:38 AM   #14
plummerrox
Pro Bowler
 
plummerrox's Avatar
 
Don't gimme no jibba jabba!

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: the South Stands
Posts: 648
Default

are there people in here that haven't seen his mother's ass? Very few, I would guess.
plummerrox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 11:40 AM   #15
*WARHORSE*
GNASHING OF TEETH
 
*WARHORSE*'s Avatar
 
Let the heads roll.........

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Kailua, Hawaii
Posts: 616

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Lombardi III
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lolcopter View Post
Don't know why Decker decided to jump in the air on that play. It was a perfect pass, but decker seems more concerned with drawing another flag than catching the ball. Mental lapse
Totally agree.

This should have been a TD.

If he drives the DB back, and simply comes back to the ball, planting his feet and getting separation, he scores.

So why the jump?

Cause he was trying to catch the ball with his body rather than his hands.

This will be spoken to him in the film room for sure.
*WARHORSE* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 11:52 AM   #16
ZONA
Ring of Famer
 
ZONA's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 10,198

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Chris Harris
Default

He just flat out dropped the pass. He almost FU'd the TD in the preseason as he had it then bobbled it. Not every player has mitts like Fitzgerald I guess. He's improving, just needs to keep working on pass catching drills.
ZONA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 01:51 PM   #17
cutthemdown
A verbis ad verbera
 
cutthemdown's Avatar
 
Zimm to HOF

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Long Beach
Posts: 36,827
Default

Decker played soft on that play IMO. He needs to fight harder for the ball. Watch WR like Steve Smith who just are relentless when it comes to that. He will learn and get better but there is no question that DT is the Broncos number 1 WR. Decker not even close to the weapon DT is.
cutthemdown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 02:58 PM   #18
fontaine
Ring of Famer
 
fontaine's Avatar
 
Go John Manning!

Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 13,055
Default

DT/Tamme made the same catch earlier in the game when it was on single coverage put behind them so only they could make the catch.

I think Decker is still learning to fight for the ball but I think he's well on his way to being a pretty solid 2nd WR.
fontaine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 03:05 PM   #19
broncswin
God I love those Broncos
 
broncswin's Avatar
 
Bring back the hardware

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Broncos Fantasy Land
Posts: 2,190

Adopt-a-Bronco:
three amigos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jerseyguy4 View Post
Betting her ass has a more confident ring to it than a case of beer.
Besides, she's a good sport.

broncswin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 03:23 PM   #20
maher_tyler
Ring of Famer
 
maher_tyler's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: AZ
Posts: 6,213

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Champ Bailey
Default

If he would have tried catching it with his hands, like good WRs do, he would have cought it. Not sure why he jumped...
maher_tyler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 08:35 PM   #21
jerseyguy4
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by maher_tyler View Post
If he would have tried catching it with his hands, like good WRs do, he would have cought it. Not sure why he jumped...
I think many here are being wayyyy too critical of Decker. A mistake sure. But my intent of the post was "Manning is in Denver now. Relax. The kinks will work out (now)."
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 08:38 PM   #22
maven
★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★
 
maven's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 9,574
Default

I'm starting to think, well I've always thought, Decker isn't elite. Manning should get more PT with Thomas.
maven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 09:48 PM   #23
ZONA
Ring of Famer
 
ZONA's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 10,198

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Chris Harris
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by maven View Post
I'm starting to think, well I've always thought, Decker isn't elite. Manning should get more PT with Thomas.
Define elite. Yeah, we all know he isn't Megatron or Fitz. Is Jordy Nelson elite? Most would say not but he still had mad stats last year. Decker can do the same here. And the best thing Maybe about Manning is, he's going to spread the ball. He's not going to focus or zero in on a single guy. Who ever is open is going to get the ball.
ZONA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 09:54 PM   #24
Missouribronc
Ring of Famer
 
Missouribronc's Avatar
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,647

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

First...not a drop.

The defensive back made a play. Decker was in the position he needed to be in and the back made a play.

No indictment on anyone.
Missouribronc is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:04 PM.


Denver Broncos