Decker's dropped pass in end zone - The Orange Mane

jerseyguy4 · 09-11-2012, 09:31 AM

For me, I took a lot from this play, and I think it told a much bigger story than a dropped pass.

When an offensive unit swaps QB's in the offseason, no change is bigger. The fact that Tebow and Manning couldn't be more different functionally makes the change even bigger than normal. Obviously, a tremendous amount of work has been expended all around the offense by each player. Plain truth - you cannot run a no-huddle unless you have a premium communication system in place. I say mission f'in accomplished.

There's been mounds of chatter about the work Manning has been doing with Decker and DT, and the results showed Sunday night. No question.

So it's 3rd and goal in the 4th quarter. A TD is imperative given the score and remaining clock time. Good play call followed by a perfect pass. The ball was just across the goal line, into single coverage, and Peyton put it where only Decker could have made the catch. Decker just strayed too far in and didn't have time to come back and get low.

Quite honestly, I don't care. A miscommunication issue with a newly formed offense?....par for the course. What's awesome is that I bet that play has already been reviewed and discussed. It wouldn't surprise me to learn they're practicing it right now. I'd bet my mother's ass that that mistake won't happen again.

Take note of the big errors over the first half of the season. Hell, maybe even enjoy them. I don't expect you'll get to see most of them a 2nd time. That's awesome.

gyldenlove · 09-11-2012, 09:38 AM

I think that play is set up 100% by the PI call on the previous 3rd down, they know Decker is getting 1 on 1 on the outside and they know the CB is grabby like a 16 year old boy at a ho-down. On that 3rd down they know the short curl to the outside is going to be open because the safeties are kept close to the line and the linebackers are playing tight, Manning sees it and puts the ball on the pylon where either Decker gets it or he will get interfered with.

The CB gets his hand across Decker and gets a good fistful of jersey on the curl, the linejudge is right there but having had the stones to make the right call a few plays ago chickens out and doesn't call it. Decker doesn't get the clean rotation back to the ball and can't get his right arm up to make the catch in time.

I know Decker runs cleaner routes, but I think this kind of pass is actually better to throw to Thomas who can use his power to brush off the CB to come back to the ball, you know they hate calling PI on these passes so having a WR who can fight free of the CB is really important.

lolcopter · 09-11-2012, 09:43 AM

Don't know why Decker decided to jump in the air on that play. It was a perfect pass, but decker seems more concerned with drawing another flag than catching the ball. Mental lapse

mhgaffney · 09-11-2012, 09:44 AM

Decker will catch it -- next time.

He's on a learning curve.

55CrushEm · 09-11-2012, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerseyguy4

For me, I took a lot from this play, and I think it told a much bigger story than a dropped pass.

When an offensive unit swaps QB's in the offseason, no change is bigger. The fact that Tebow and Manning couldn't be more different functionally makes the change even bigger than normal. Obviously, a tremendous amount of work has been expended all around the offense by each player. Plain truth - you cannot run a no-huddle unless you have a premium communication system in place. I say mission f'in accomplished.

There's been mounds of chatter about the work Manning has been doing with Decker and DT, and the results showed Sunday night. No question.

So it's 3rd and goal in the 4th quarter. A TD is imperative given the score and remaining clock time. Good play call followed by a perfect pass. The ball was just across the goal line, into single coverage, and Peyton put it where only Decker could have made the catch. Decker just strayed too far in and didn't have time to come back and get low.

Quite honestly, I don't care. A miscommunication issue with a newly formed offense?....par for the course. What's awesome is that I bet that play has already been reviewed and discussed. It wouldn't surprise me to learn they're practicing it right now. I'd bet my mother's ass that that mistake won't happen again.

Take note of the big errors over the first half of the season. Hell, maybe even enjoy them. I don't expect you'll get to see most of them a 2nd time. That's awesome.

That's an odd thing to bet.

How about a case of beer? Or a week's pay? Or YOUR ass?

I can't say that I've ever bet anyone my mother's ass.

Dedhed · 09-11-2012, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by lolcopter

Don't know why Decker decided to jump in the air on that play. It was a perfect pass, but decker seems more concerned with drawing another flag than catching the ball. Mental lapse

Yeah, Decker seems to have issues on those types of plays. He doesn't seem to have the natural feel for how to work around a CB and find the ball. If he doesn't jump there he would have been able to fight through contact to get back to the ball.

jerseyguy4 · 09-11-2012, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 55CrushEm

That's an odd thing to bet.

How about a case of beer? Or a week's pay? Or YOUR ass?

I can't say that I've ever bet anyone my mother's ass.

Betting her ass has a more confident ring to it than a case of beer.
Besides, she's a good sport.

ludo21 · 09-11-2012, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 55CrushEm

That's an odd thing to bet.

How about a case of beer? Or a week's pay? Or YOUR ass?

I can't say that I've ever bet anyone my mother's ass.

indeed. maybe he hates his mother, or her ass?

Jay3 · 09-11-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dedhed

Yeah, Decker seems to have issues on those types of plays. He doesn't seem to have the natural feel for how to work around a CB and find the ball. If he doesn't jump there he would have been able to fight through contact to get back to the ball.

He just doesn't yet have good body control or good judgment about how to position his body. Every time he's in close quarters with a defender, it always seems like the play ends with Decker in an "Aggghhh!" position, with the ball slapping him right in a catchable location (like the hands, his body, something). Mistimes his jump, or jumps when he doesn't need to, something.

Chris · 09-11-2012, 10:22 AM

Bacchus · 09-11-2012, 10:25 AM

That play is a really tough one for the receiver, but Manning makes the play work because of his accuaracy and timing. Decker will do better next time.

Dedhed · 09-11-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay3

He just doesn't yet have good body control or good judgment about how to position his body. Every time he's in close quarters with a defender, it always seems like the play ends with Decker in an "Aggghhh!" position, with the ball slapping him right in a catchable location (like the hands, his body, something). Mistimes his jump, or jumps when he doesn't need to, something.

Yeah, there was a play earlier in the game where he was really late adjusting to Manning's back shoulder throw. He didn't get his head around to find the ball, and couldn't make the catch because of it.

He needs to learn how to feel the CB while finding the football. Most of the really good WRs in the league are great at that, and it's an area where he struggles.

oubronco · 09-11-2012, 10:57 AM

This bet would be alot easier to make if the ass in question were shown

plummerrox · 09-11-2012, 11:38 AM

are there people in here that haven't seen his mother's ass? Very few, I would guess.

*WARHORSE* · 09-11-2012, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolcopter

Don't know why Decker decided to jump in the air on that play. It was a perfect pass, but decker seems more concerned with drawing another flag than catching the ball. Mental lapse

Totally agree.

This should have been a TD.

If he drives the DB back, and simply comes back to the ball, planting his feet and getting separation, he scores.

So why the jump?

Cause he was trying to catch the ball with his body rather than his hands.

This will be spoken to him in the film room for sure.

ZONA · 09-11-2012, 11:52 AM

He just flat out dropped the pass. He almost FU'd the TD in the preseason as he had it then bobbled it. Not every player has mitts like Fitzgerald I guess. He's improving, just needs to keep working on pass catching drills.

cutthemdown · 09-11-2012, 01:51 PM

Decker played soft on that play IMO. He needs to fight harder for the ball. Watch WR like Steve Smith who just are relentless when it comes to that. He will learn and get better but there is no question that DT is the Broncos number 1 WR. Decker not even close to the weapon DT is.

fontaine · 09-11-2012, 02:58 PM

DT/Tamme made the same catch earlier in the game when it was on single coverage put behind them so only they could make the catch.

I think Decker is still learning to fight for the ball but I think he's well on his way to being a pretty solid 2nd WR.

broncswin · 09-11-2012, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerseyguy4

Betting her ass has a more confident ring to it than a case of beer.
Besides, she's a good sport.

maher_tyler · 09-11-2012, 03:23 PM

If he would have tried catching it with his hands, like good WRs do, he would have cought it. Not sure why he jumped...

jerseyguy4 · 09-11-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by maher_tyler

If he would have tried catching it with his hands, like good WRs do, he would have cought it. Not sure why he jumped...

I think many here are being wayyyy too critical of Decker. A mistake sure. But my intent of the post was "Manning is in Denver now. Relax. The kinks will work out (now)."

maven · 09-11-2012, 08:38 PM

I'm starting to think, well I've always thought, Decker isn't elite. Manning should get more PT with Thomas.

ZONA · 09-11-2012, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by maven

I'm starting to think, well I've always thought, Decker isn't elite. Manning should get more PT with Thomas.

Define elite. Yeah, we all know he isn't Megatron or Fitz. Is Jordy Nelson elite? Most would say not but he still had mad stats last year. Decker can do the same here. And the best thing Maybe about Manning is, he's going to spread the ball. He's not going to focus or zero in on a single guy. Who ever is open is going to get the ball.

Missouribronc · 09-11-2012, 09:54 PM

First...not a drop.

The defensive back made a play. Decker was in the position he needed to be in and the back made a play.

No indictment on anyone.

09-11-2012, 09:31 AM	#1
jerseyguy4 Solid Starter Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Roxbury, NJ Posts: 209	Decker's dropped pass in end zone For me, I took a lot from this play, and I think it told a much bigger story than a dropped pass. When an offensive unit swaps QB's in the offseason, no change is bigger. The fact that Tebow and Manning couldn't be more different functionally makes the change even bigger than normal. Obviously, a tremendous amount of work has been expended all around the offense by each player. Plain truth - you cannot run a no-huddle unless you have a premium communication system in place. I say mission f'in accomplished. There's been mounds of chatter about the work Manning has been doing with Decker and DT, and the results showed Sunday night. No question. So it's 3rd and goal in the 4th quarter. A TD is imperative given the score and remaining clock time. Good play call followed by a perfect pass. The ball was just across the goal line, into single coverage, and Peyton put it where only Decker could have made the catch. Decker just strayed too far in and didn't have time to come back and get low. Quite honestly, I don't care. A miscommunication issue with a newly formed offense?....par for the course. What's awesome is that I bet that play has already been reviewed and discussed. It wouldn't surprise me to learn they're practicing it right now. I'd bet my mother's ass that that mistake won't happen again. Take note of the big errors over the first half of the season. Hell, maybe even enjoy them. I don't expect you'll get to see most of them a 2nd time. That's awesome.

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09-11-2012, 09:38 AM	#2
gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	I think that play is set up 100% by the PI call on the previous 3rd down, they know Decker is getting 1 on 1 on the outside and they know the CB is grabby like a 16 year old boy at a ho-down. On that 3rd down they know the short curl to the outside is going to be open because the safeties are kept close to the line and the linebackers are playing tight, Manning sees it and puts the ball on the pylon where either Decker gets it or he will get interfered with. The CB gets his hand across Decker and gets a good fistful of jersey on the curl, the linejudge is right there but having had the stones to make the right call a few plays ago chickens out and doesn't call it. Decker doesn't get the clean rotation back to the ball and can't get his right arm up to make the catch in time. I know Decker runs cleaner routes, but I think this kind of pass is actually better to throw to Thomas who can use his power to brush off the CB to come back to the ball, you know they hate calling PI on these passes so having a WR who can fight free of the CB is really important.

09-11-2012, 09:43 AM	#3
lolcopter Fame of Ringer Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,936 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	Don't know why Decker decided to jump in the air on that play. It was a perfect pass, but decker seems more concerned with drawing another flag than catching the ball. Mental lapse

09-11-2012, 09:44 AM	#4
mhgaffney Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,845	Decker will catch it -- next time. He's on a learning curve.

09-11-2012, 10:22 AM	#10
Chris Millenium Scrooge McDuck Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7,541 Adopt-a-Bronco: OrlandoFranklin

09-11-2012, 10:25 AM	#11
Bacchus I'm buying Infraspinatus Fascia Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 5,570 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	That play is a really tough one for the receiver, but Manning makes the play work because of his accuaracy and timing. Decker will do better next time.

09-11-2012, 10:57 AM	#13
oubronco John Foneco !! Mile High Magic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sooner Country Posts: 20,686	This bet would be alot easier to make if the ass in question were shown

09-11-2012, 11:38 AM	#14
plummerrox Pro Bowler Don't gimme no jibba jabba! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: the South Stands Posts: 642	are there people in here that haven't seen his mother's ass? Very few, I would guess.

09-11-2012, 11:52 AM	#16
ZONA Ring of Famer If you smacked your screen, hahaha Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,492 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	He just flat out dropped the pass. He almost FU'd the TD in the preseason as he had it then bobbled it. Not every player has mitts like Fitzgerald I guess. He's improving, just needs to keep working on pass catching drills.

09-11-2012, 01:51 PM	#17
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,878	Decker played soft on that play IMO. He needs to fight harder for the ball. Watch WR like Steve Smith who just are relentless when it comes to that. He will learn and get better but there is no question that DT is the Broncos number 1 WR. Decker not even close to the weapon DT is.

09-11-2012, 02:58 PM	#18
fontaine Ring of Famer Go John Manning! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,435	DT/Tamme made the same catch earlier in the game when it was on single coverage put behind them so only they could make the catch. I think Decker is still learning to fight for the ball but I think he's well on his way to being a pretty solid 2nd WR.

09-11-2012, 03:23 PM	#20
maher_tyler Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 5,695 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	If he would have tried catching it with his hands, like good WRs do, he would have cought it. Not sure why he jumped...

09-11-2012, 08:38 PM	#22
maven ★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆ Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,867	I'm starting to think, well I've always thought, Decker isn't elite. Manning should get more PT with Thomas.

09-11-2012, 09:54 PM	#24
Missouribronc Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,533 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	First...not a drop. The defensive back made a play. Decker was in the position he needed to be in and the back made a play. No indictment on anyone.