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Old 09-04-2012, 09:35 AM   #1
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I'm just curios about how the Omane feels about the replacement refs. As someone who played one year of junior college I was so overwhelmed by the speed of the game from the high school level. That was just JC ball, I can't imagine what D1 speed would be like. Then you have the speed of the NFL, it is unreal. These guys have been picked up from who knows where, not a lot of experience and have seemed to have quite a few hiccups already. Will they change the outcome of the games? Hopefully this can be resolved soon
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Old 09-04-2012, 09:37 AM   #2
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I'm just curios about how the Omane feels about the replacement refs. As someone who played one year of junior college I was so overwhelmed by the speed of the game from the high school level. That was just JC ball, I can't imagine what D1 speed would be like. Then you have the speed of the NFL, it is unreal. These guys have been picked up from who knows where, not a lot of experience and have seemed to have quite a few hiccups already. Will they change the outcome of the games? Hopefully this can be resolved soon
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Old 09-04-2012, 09:44 AM   #3
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I don't see the NFL backing down, from the referee union. The league is in a position of strength. The games are being played, and fans are happy. It would take a slew of screwups, to change that dynamic...
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I don't see the NFL backing down, from the referee union. The league is in a position of strength. The games are being played, and fans are happy. It would take a slew of screwups, to change that dynamic...
i just think its the wrong battle to pick. Its not like they are asking for million dollar salaries. And these refs have been ****. Why put your product at risk
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They're terrible. And the payoff isn't worth the fallout the NFL is taking. You're talking about a very small group of NFL employees who have a dangerous and important role. I am not sure why they are coming so hard after these guys, but it makes the NFL look cheap to the point being irresponsible.
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It's like Troy Aikmen said while announcing a preseason game a couple weeks ago, NFL fans get to watch the world's best football players every week, they deserve to have the best officiating crews also

These replacement guys are garbage
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My biggest issue is that these refs are refs who don't have experience at a higher level of the game. Some of these guys are coming from High School or lower levels. Some from D2.

I don't know why the NFL couldn't get refs from some D1, some Pro (indoor, Canada), and then some D2. These guys just don't seem to be able to keep up with the pace of play. They can't seem to determine whether its holding or not or even when its important to call holding. There's going to be a lot more fighting this year amongst teams as players get away with more "illegal" use of hands and bodies.

I would like to see a change in the review challenges to allow a challenge on anything with the coach getting two challenges and not losing those challenges until the first one is denied. I think PI needs to be challengeable.

All that being said, I'm fine with the league not dealing with the refs. They may deserve better pay, but these guys basically work one game a week for 16 weeks and make somewhere between $80k and $150k doing it. Its the best part time job I can think of being involved in a great sport. Also, the usual refs also screw up.
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All that being said, I'm fine with the league not dealing with the refs. They may deserve better pay, but these guys basically work one game a week for 16 weeks and make somewhere between $80k and $150k doing it. Its the best part time job I can think of being involved in a great sport. Also, the usual refs also screw up.

C'mon now, that's like saying the players only work 16 weeks out of the year.

The refs had to maintain their physical fitness as well as stay up to date on new rules and I'm sure they have conferences to attend along with other crap. It certainly isnt an easy job, and those numbers are minuscule compared to other $$$ that get thrown around in this league (even with the new rookie pay scale)
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Meh, the level of officiating will definitely suffer, you just hope the mistakes even out in the end.
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All that being said, I'm fine with the league not dealing with the refs. They may deserve better pay, but these guys basically work one game a week for 16 weeks and make somewhere between $80k and $150k doing it. Its the best part time job I can think of being involved in a great sport. Also, the usual refs also screw up.
Not on the scale we've seen this preseason. Not even close.

When the highest compliment that the Ginger Hammer could dole out was that these replacements "will do a credible job," you know you're in trouble. When they go out and **** all over themselves, like they did in the SF/Denver game and the NE/Giants game, to the point where "credible" doesn't even enter the equation, you've got massive problems and the issue needs to be fixed.

If they are given a whole season, I see no way that the lack of seasoned NFL officials doesn't change the outcome of several contests throughout the year.
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C'mon now, that's like saying the players only work 16 weeks out of the year.

The refs had to maintain their physical fitness as well as stay up to date on new rules and I'm sure they have conferences to attend along with other crap. It certainly isnt an easy job, and those numbers are minuscule compared to other $$$ that get thrown around in this league (even with the new rookie pay scale)
They do have to attend meetings after each game. The ref team goes over game film and all their blatant mistakes. Evaluate their stinking up the field.

The scrub refs will have plenty to watch, with multiple opportunities to mumble the word "oops"
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I'm just curios about how the Omane feels about the replacement refs. As someone who played one year of junior college I was so overwhelmed by the speed of the game from the high school level. That was just JC ball, I can't imagine what D1 speed would be like. Then you have the speed of the NFL, it is unreal. These guys have been picked up from who knows where, not a lot of experience and have seemed to have quite a few hiccups already. Will they change the outcome of the games? Hopefully this can be resolved soon
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If my math is not completely wrong P. Manning will make more this year than the cost of having the real refs for the entire season.

Thats with the new deal they are asking for...that seems wrong to me and they should be paid
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Not on the scale we've seen this preseason. Not even close.

When the highest compliment that the Ginger Hammer could dole out was that these replacements "will do a credible job," you know you're in trouble. When they go out and **** all over themselves, like they did in the SF/Denver game and the NE/Giants game, to the point where "credible" doesn't even enter the equation, you've got massive problems and the issue needs to be fixed.

If they are given a whole season, I see no way that the lack of seasoned NFL officials doesn't change the outcome of several contests throughout the year.


Yep. I think the regular refs know you can't bring the ball out to the 20 if the punt was downed at the 4 yard line.
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If the difference really does amount to the less than $100K per owner per year figure that I've seen thrown around, it's ridiculous that it's gotten this far. That's a rounding error for those guys.
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If my math is not completely wrong P. Manning will make more this year than the cost of having the real refs for the entire season.

Thats with the new deal they are asking for...that seems wrong to me and they should be paid
I don't know about all the arguments of each side, but I think it has to do with more than a seasons pay. More like a life's worth of pension
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My biggest issue is that these refs are refs who don't have experience at a higher level of the game. Some of these guys are coming from High School or lower levels. Some from D2.

I don't know why the NFL couldn't get refs from some D1, some Pro (indoor, Canada), and then some D2. These guys just don't seem to be able to keep up with the pace of play. They can't seem to determine whether its holding or not or even when its important to call holding. There's going to be a lot more fighting this year amongst teams as players get away with more "illegal" use of hands and bodies.

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All that being said, I'm fine with the league not dealing with the refs. They may deserve better pay, but these guys basically work one game a week for 16 weeks and make somewhere between $80k and $150k doing it. Its the best part time job I can think of being involved in a great sport. Also, the usual refs also screw up.
If all the refs are making is 80k a year, they are woefully underpaid.
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If the difference really does amount to the less than $100K per owner per year figure that I've seen thrown around, it's ridiculous that it's gotten this far. That's a rounding error for those guys.
I've seen that the issue is $70million over the next 5 years.
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If all the refs are making is 80k a year, they are woefully underpaid.
Thats what they make, but really they only have to put in about 10 hours of work per week. I would love to pick up a part time job that paid that.

I do ultimately agree that these guys are underpaid and the replacements are absolutely horrid. I think the refs should get full benefits from the NFL, which is, I believe one of the issues.
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meh, every team will deal with the same issues.

Im with the "refs will get better every day" crew
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I've seen that the issue is $70million over the next 5 years.
works out to essentially $400K per year, per owner
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I'm just curios about how the Omane feels about the replacement refs. As someone who played one year of junior college I was so overwhelmed by the speed of the game from the high school level. That was just JC ball, I can't imagine what D1 speed would be like. Then you have the speed of the NFL, it is unreal. These guys have been picked up from who knows where, not a lot of experience and have seemed to have quite a few hiccups already. Will they change the outcome of the games? Hopefully this can be resolved soon
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I'm just curios about how the Omane feels about the replacement refs. As someone who played one year of junior college I was so overwhelmed by the speed of the game from the high school level. That was just JC ball, I can't imagine what D1 speed would be like. Then you have the speed of the NFL, it is unreal. These guys have been picked up from who knows where, not a lot of experience and have seemed to have quite a few hiccups already. Will they change the outcome of the games? Hopefully this can be resolved soon
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So it seems you guys are of the same person. Mod, can we check out Fantom FOrce and Houshyama's IP?

3 threads all the same and yes Stout, I did notice and couldnt tell if he was mocking FantomForce but it is exactly the same post.

Classic! Did one get banned and created another account?
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So are you FantomForce? Same exact thread, different name.
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They do have to attend meetings after each game. The ref team goes over game film and all their blatant mistakes. Evaluate their stinking up the field.

The scrub refs will have plenty to watch, with multiple opportunities to mumble the word "oops"
Well, then that one day job is now a 3 day job as I suspect it takes 2 days to cover all the **** up calls in the conference room.
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