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Old 09-03-2012, 02:49 PM   #1
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Denver, defensive end Derek Wolfe: The second-round pick is going to start at left end. The versatile Wolfe can slide inside as well. Wolfe has been a terrific player this summer for Denver, and the Broncos don’t think the game will be too big for him in the regular season.
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He lost his job to Jason Hunter. After Hunter goes down, he loses it to Wolfe. Maybe this just means Wolfe is that damn good.
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Old 09-03-2012, 02:52 PM   #2
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It means he's a BUST just like Moreno. Mcd had talent. How many other guys drafted 2 BUSTS in the same year in the 1st round in NFL history?
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Losing the job two times in one offseason speaks volumes
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Ayers is a one trick pony. He is good as a run stuffing DE in the 4-3. The few sacks he does have were more coverage than him beating his man.

I think he is good depth but as far as 1st round value he is a bust. So glad mCd is gone.
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Old 09-03-2012, 02:57 PM   #5
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What a damn shame. I'm hoping Wolfe is the other piece to a dominant pass rush.
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:06 PM   #6
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It means he's a BUST just like Moreno. Mcd had talent. How many other guys drafted 2 BUSTS in the same year in the 1st round in NFL history?
I'm glad Wolfe has been great for us. As for Ayers, Mayock also had Ayers on top of his list at DE. I still won't label Ayers as a "bust" yet, as he showed flashes of being a quality DE. Hope he can be effective as a rotational guy.
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:24 PM   #7
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It means the project known as Ayers didn't turn out to be best defensive player from the draft. He is a decent player but not worth his draft position. F-off MCD.
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Hopefully someone will give Denver a late round pick for him.
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Hopefully someone will give Denver a late round pick for him.
We will need him on run downs or for depth but I am so glad that JDR and Fox are sending the message to these guys that they have to keep getting better if they want their jobs.

I sure hope KM brings what he was bringing vs the Cards 2nd and 3rd stringers in the last PS game during the regular season, or at least until Detroit breaks down and sends a 7th round pick for him...
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:44 PM   #11
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I always wonder how it affects a young player's development to jerk him around on position. He comes into the league, "now you're a lb." He tries to figure that out, "ok you're an end again." not saying he would have been an all pro, but I do wonder how much it stunts some players to be constantly changing techniques, and even body type to a certain extent.
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:45 PM   #12
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ayers was selected 18th overall in the 09 draft, so i looked at the 17 players selected before him...

i'd say at least 10 of the players selected before ayers are also busts... its a crap shoot in drafts period... McD drafted terribly no doubt, but whenever you look back in the 1st round of nfl drafts years after the fact, it shows that most coaches blew it with their picks...
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He sucks. Thanks again McNumbnuts.
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ayers was selected 18th overall in the 09 draft, so i looked at the 17 players selected before him...

i'd say at least 10 of the players selected before ayers are also busts... its a crap shoot in drafts period... McD drafted terribly no doubt, but whenever you look back in the 1st round of nfl drafts years after the fact, it shows that most coaches blew it with their picks...
Man.. looking at the whole first round in 2009 is pretty interesting. It seems like a pretty bad draft overall.
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He sucks. Thanks again McNumbnuts.
Ayers is a lot of things, but a bad player he is not. If he can't beat out Hunter or Wolfe for a starting spot, that just means that our DLine depth is that much better, because Ayers is a very solid DE.
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No big deal. I never really had high hopes for Ayers anyway.

Right from him first year I saw a player that had no explosion, fluidity only some functional strength.

It's not the first or last McD screwup that Elway and co will fix.
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Nobody ever mentions Malik Jackson, but I'll bet he plays as many downs as Ayers this season, maybe more.

Ayers' #1 competitor hasn't been Wolfe for weeks now, it's Jackson now.
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:26 PM   #18
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:27 PM   #19
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he was moved to back up Doom, never made a bunch of sense outside of Hunter being a better pass rusher.
we already know Wolfe will play DE & DT in the scheme so Ayera not "starting" isn't as big as how much PT he gets and how many snaps he plays.
Bunkley started last season but he played about 40% of the snaps.
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I reserve judgement until the season, seeing as against the steelers in the playoffs he dominated and had his best game as a pro
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Denver is so used to having such a HORRIBLE defensive line, if a player can't crack the starting line up he is immediately regarded as a scrub. I think that Ayers not starting is more indicative of the depth of talent on the d line at this point. Ayers is a solid starting DE in the NFL.
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:34 PM   #22
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E. Monroe
B.J. Raji
M. Crabtree
A. Maybin
K. Moreno
B. Orakpo
M. Jenkins
B. Cushing
L. English
J. Freeman
R. Ayers
J. Maclin
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A. Mack
P. Harvin
M. Oher
P. Jerry
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The 2009 1st round currently has 25 starters in the NFL. The Broncos drafted 2 of the 7 backups.
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Denver is so used to having such a HORRIBLE defensive line, if a player can't crack the starting line up he is immediately regarded as a scrub. I think that Ayers not starting is more indicative of the depth of talent on the d line at this point. Ayers is a solid starting DE in the NFL.
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Old 09-03-2012, 05:07 PM   #24
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After Malik Jackson went ape **** in preseason and Danny Trevathan played well, I thought Ayers might be a surprise camp cut. Still think he will be part of the rotation this year.
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M. Stafford
J. Smith
T. Jackson
A. Curry
M. Sanchez
A. Smith
D. Heyward-Bey
E. Monroe
B.J. Raji
M. Crabtree
A. Maybin
K. Moreno
B. Orakpo
M. Jenkins
B. Cushing
L. English
J. Freeman
R. Ayers
J. Maclin
B. Pettigrew
A. Mack
P. Harvin
M. Oher
P. Jerry
V. Davis
C. Matthews
D. Brown
E. Wood
H. Nicks
K. Britt
C. Wells
E. Hood

The 2009 1st round currently has 25 starters in the NFL. The Broncos drafted 2 of the 7 backups.
Don't tell that to lonestar. He thinks McD was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Let's all praise McD's greatness and make stupid nicknames for the greatest coach in franchise history........even though it completely ignores reality!
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