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Old 07-19-2013, 08:09 PM   #1
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In 2011, we started the season 1-4, with Orton under center. Pressure to play Tebow grew, based on a strong finish in 2010. Eventually, Fox acquiesced, started Tebow, and the team went on a tear, culminating in a 7-1 run, including 3 OT wins and an eventual magical playoff win vs Pittsburgh, also in OT.

The general national narrative on this team is that Tebow was the sole catalyst for the win streak. The defense was better than it was in 2010, but still not very good. This D was ranked 24th in points and 20th in yards.

With full benefit of hindsight, let's rethink this season. Based on 2012, I think it's more than fair to assume that the 2011 D was actually dominant, but limited by Tebow (and Orton). That D was hamstrung by constant 3-outs, but managed to keep the score low during the winning streak. They kept Miami to 15, oakland to 24, KC to 10, NY Jets and Chargers to 13, and the bears to 10. The Vikings did put up 32, so there's your outlier.

Most of us are here already, but this is a fairly new revelation for me, so bear with me. The 2011 Bronco D was, in fact, great but was hamstrung by some terrible QB play, including Tebow. This team would have been great with a mediocre QB. This team should have not needed OT to be at Miami, San Diego, or Chicago.

The 2011 Broncos were good in spite of Tebow, not because of Tebow.

again - I'm sure most folks have come to this realization already and I'm slow to the party, but I think it's prudent to put it down for posterity.
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Old 07-19-2013, 08:18 PM   #2
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Why does everything have to be so black and white. It does not have to be Tebow or everyone else. Can't it be that with tebows skill set, our limited offensive weapons, a stingy defense and a conservative head coach were the perfect storm to grind out those 7 wins.
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Not sure why you would not want to give any credit to Tebow. Orton didn't do much but one win in 5 games. Tebow came in (with the same defense) and got us to a remarkable 8-8. The defense was the hero of 2011 but I wouldn't take anything away from Tebow. Oh, he sucks right now and it was head scratching crazy when he was in there but somehow I will give him a pass and just glad we not only won the ****ty division but beat the Steelers in the playoffs. Defense was huge in many of those games.
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Why does everything have to be so black and white. It does not have to be Tebow or everyone else. Can't it be that with tebows skill set, our limited offensive weapons, a stingy defense and a conservative head coach were the perfect storm to grind out those 7 wins.
put this in your pipe and smoke it - no Tebow = no pressure on Orton. Orton becomes NFL average, and doesn't crumble under pressure. With competent QB play, I see us beating oakland, tennesee, and KC. This team should have been 11-5, but for Tebow and the associated drama.
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Orton fumbled off his knee. Tebow fumbled off his hands. Both QBs stunk. Game over.
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Not sure why you would not want to give any credit to Tebow. Orton didn't do much but one win in 5 games. Tebow came in (with the same defense) and got us to a remarkable 8-8. The defense was the hero of 2011 but I wouldn't take anything away from Tebow. Oh, he sucks right now and it was head scratching crazy when he was in there but somehow I will give him a pass and just glad we not only won the ****ty division but beat the Steelers in the playoffs. Defense was huge in many of those games.
that's the thing - I'm posing the pressure placed on Orton, who was not big enough to overcome, was too great. The Tebow pressure contributed to the 1-4 start.

it's time to stop thinking about Tebow as a Bronco hero, and think of him as the guy who held a great team back.
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I've received negitive rep from a Tebow nut for suggesting Denver was a 10-6 team without Orton and Tebow as our QBs that year. Denver would have beat Tenn or KC with a worth a dick QB.
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I don't know if I'd call them dominant... but certainly underrated.

I think Jack Del Rio has as much to do with the defensive turnaround as anyone.
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Some of us figured this out back in 2011.

While he was our QB I held out hope that he would turn into a capable starter but you could tell Timmy was a QB who couldn't win without a D keeping the score within reach at the end of the game where he felt more comfortable and was able to wear down some teams late. Just look at the Chicago game, it took multiple mistakes by Barber for us to kick 2 very long FGs, Timmy did nothing to win that game and actually if Cutler started they would have beat us by at least 2 TDs if not more.
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Defense wasnt dominate, but it was very solid

Obviously anyone who watched our games who was not a complete idiot knew the defense was carrying the team

That said I am not sure why this needs to be brought up again

You are only inviting back the cult of Tebow to suck his dick some more
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i dont think anyone DOESNT understand what happened in 2011, though perception can change it. tebow was awful for far too long of every game, but the defense was able to hold long enough for him to pull off a ridiculous comeback that made the games exciting. not to mention an incredible playoff win. thats really the year in a nutshell.
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Holy ****...you mean 2012 was a dream? Is this real life?


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no, it was a fantasy. Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality.
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i dont think anyone DOESNT understand what happened in 2011, though perception can change it. tebow was awful for far too long of every game, but the defense was able to hold long enough for him to pull off a ridiculous comeback that made the games exciting. not to mention an incredible playoff win. thats really the year in a nutshell.
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2011 was fun as hell.

2012 was more fun.

Those, after a long drought of crap-can seasons.

What's to b**** about?
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2011 was fun as hell.

2012 was more fun.

Those, after a long drought of crap-can seasons.

What's to b**** about?

The Mane is known for 3 things. Enduring poster rants, memes and mindless b****ing over old topics.


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that's the thing - I'm posing the pressure placed on Orton, who was not big enough to overcome, was too great. The Tebow pressure contributed to the 1-4 start.

it's time to stop thinking about Tebow as a Bronco hero, and think of him as the guy who held a great team back.
So Tebow is the QB killer.
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Yea if you are going to start threads like this you should know what is coming and be prepared...

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that's the thing - I'm posing the pressure placed on Orton, who was not big enough to overcome, was too great. The Tebow pressure contributed to the 1-4 start.

it's time to stop thinking about Tebow as a Bronco hero, and think of him as the guy who held a great team back.

We were not a great team. Good enough to be average, and because our division sucked/s, we made the playoffs. 2011 was a special year, not because Denver did anything otherworldly or made a title run. It was just a fun year. Tebow is part of that.

And Orton blew all kinds of ass. Middling backup made a starter and he did not have the talent to make things happen. Denver is a "great" team now because we have a great quarterback. They tend to make everyone around them better. I severely doubt Denver rattles off 11 straight wins or ends up with 13 in 2012 with an Orton or Tebow or Griese or Osweiler behind center.

It's easy to forget how horrible 2010 and the first 6 weeks of 2011 were with the afterglow of 2012 blinding us.

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Old 07-19-2013, 11:56 PM   #23
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Tough to prove. You would need a perfect scientific model where the whole team was the same minus one player switching. For example replace Orton with tebow and see if there is a difference?

Oh wait, there totally ****ing was.

Must have been the defense.
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