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Old 06-29-2012, 09:08 AM   #1
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"To get to play with a future Hall of Famer, I knew I had to step my game up and get in my book more, run routes more, because I never really ran routes much. So I thought it was gonna be a challenge, and it has been so far. But it's been good, too."

"You're gonna have to run the whole route tree now. The comebacks, the slants, the posts, the ins. And I didn't have to do that much when I was my first couple of years in the league."
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:26 AM   #2
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Tebow never saw a slant, in, curl or comeback he was willing to throw. Other recievers ran those routes and spend most of their time looking for a ball that would never get there because Timmy was afraid to pull the trigger on anything that wasn't wide open.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:28 AM   #3
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To be fair, he didnt do this for Orton either. Why would you admit this?
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:35 AM   #4
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He never did it in college either.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:39 AM   #5
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To be fair, he didnt do this for Orton either. Why would you admit this?
Who knows. Thomas is a good physical guy, but something tells me he doesn't have much more between the ears than Brandon Marshall.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:59 AM   #6
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Who knows. Thomas is a good physical guy, but something tells me he doesn't have much more between the ears than Brandon Marshall.
duhhh! he is a WR what do you expect?
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:13 AM   #7
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I'm not reading into this too much.

We all know the history with the QB's, coaches, and offenses the last few years.

If he wasn't asked to do something, would you expect him to study for it?

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Old 06-29-2012, 10:22 AM   #8
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I'm not reading into this too much.

We all know the history with the QB's, coaches, and offenses the last few years.

If he wasn't asked to do something, would you expect him to study for it?
So, this is going to end up being one of those litmus test things for the Pro-Tebow Anti-Tebow crowd, isn't it?
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:22 AM   #9
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It's not surprising considering his college pedigree and the amount of time he missed due to injury.

And ya the whole tebow thing too.
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So, this is going to end up being one of those litmus test things for the Pro-Tebow Anti-Tebow crowd, isn't it?
Probably.

Someone should start taking bets on the over/under of pages.

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You mean to tell me that the routes being run with Peyton Manning at QB are more extensive than the routes being run with a fullback, er, Tebow at QB?

Film at 11, I hope.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:38 AM   #12
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:40 AM   #13
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Who knows. Thomas is a good physical guy, but something tells me he doesn't have much more between the ears than Brandon Marshall.
This...

DT is showing some red flags unless you just arent looking...

What does what qb you have, have to do with you knowing your route tree?...
He should have been working on his route running day one in the league...

His injury history...

His comments about tebow not throwing him the ball in a game he had 200yds receiving...

And yes... even the alleged rape accusations... its early so i hope it amounts to nothing but there ARE red flags at this point regarding DT...
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I'm not reading into this too much.

We all know the history with the QB's, coaches, and offenses the last few years.

If he wasn't asked to do something, would you expect him to study for it?
Well, we know he didnt bother to block for Tebow in the Jets game.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:42 AM   #15
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The other thing people forget is what a true "install" for a play is. To "install" a play, such that it can be included in the game plan, it has to be run by the QB, to mastery.

Tebow never had an "install" with the vast majority of the plays in the playbook. He got an estimated 5% of reps his first year, with many of those expended on a "Tebow play." When he was allowed to start as a rookie, you can just look -- that was a very limited number of pass plays even available to run. And that's not Tebow's fault, and it's not because he was a remedial case -- first year, very few reps, very little of the playbook actually available.

Then came the lockout. No OTA. No install in the offseason.

Then the lockout was lifted. Orton getting the number 1 reps, Quinn getting good sized share of the remaining reps. Complete playbook not installed with Tebow.

He gets thrown in after 5 games, and with 2 days a week practice, still not time to do midseason install of all the pass plays in the regular offense. And they used a lot of what reps they had to install plays taking advantage of Tebow's strengths (and hopefully hiding his weaknesses).

So this comment by DT (other than being kind of dumbly phrased) is also a wake up call for how little of the passing playbook actually ever got deployed with Tebow here.

But yes, I agree with DT -- he does need to "run routes more." His routes were not crisp last year, he drifted, and there wasn't enough of a reliable break to anticipate and throw it early. It fed right into Tebow's weakness (which was uncertainty and pulling the trigger). And it's not going to be acceptable to Peyton.

I think Decker is probably better on crisp routes, but worse on separation.
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You mean to tell me that the routes being run with Peyton Manning at QB are more extensive than the routes being run with a fullback, er, Tebow at QB?

Film at 11, I hope.
To be fair Orton honk, he didnt do it for Orton either. What does that say about either DT or Orton who is a pro style QB?
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:43 AM   #17
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Tebow never saw a slant, in, curl or comeback he was willing to throw. Other recievers ran those routes and spend most of their time looking for a ball that would never get there because Timmy was afraid to pull the trigger on anything that wasn't wide open.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:53 AM   #18
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Based on the type of offense Thomas was in at Georgia Tech, this shouldn't come as a surprise. Refining routes, learning the whole tree, etc. was something he was going to eventually have to progress with in the NFL. Situations made thigns a little different, but he will get better. Him and Manning are gonna go together like lamb and tuna fish.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:53 AM   #19
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how is this news? McDaniels benched him in his rookie year after a pretty nice game because he ran the wrong route in a game.

route running was one of the main issues for Thomas coming into the league as he came from a option offense, but it was assumed he would make the adjustment since Calvin Johnson did.

Tebow was bad at reads and even when a good route was ran he missed them at times.
all the players from last years team need to improve, this is a non story.
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Based on the type of offense Thomas was in at Georgia Tech, this shouldn't come as a surprise.
Oh sweet sweet irony.
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To be fair Orton honk, he didnt do it for Orton either. What does that say about either DT or Orton who is a pro style QB?
Are you talking to me?

Not an Orton honk, but it's nice to know your same bull**** narrative is still around.

Also, going from Orton to Manning isn't a difference for you? "Pro Style QB" doesn't mean "Good QB," and I think you'd realize that.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:57 AM   #22
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I hope DT doesn't become another clown like Marshall but it is not looking promising. Maybe he is getting quoted out of context... Maybe he needs to learn to how to interview better. Plenty of good people can look like idiots or jerks because they don't phrase their words properly for the press.

It would be ironic that the FO passed on Dez Bryant for character issues and ended up getting Marshall part II.
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The fact that Thomas didn't any real routes in college is exactly why I wanted Bryant over him.
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The fact that Thomas didn't any real routes in college is exactly why I wanted Bryant over him.
this was part of why i wanted Bryant as well, plus the return and deep play factor.
that said, so far, DT is looking like a better pro in terms of overall scope(though the off the field leaving his date to get raped thing sticks out like a sore thumb)
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In hindsight, Royal over Jackson due to character issues also has not panned out. Loved Royal (him and Dennis Allen are now dead to me) and thought he was a good player, but he is not at Jackson's level. Only time Jackson was a distraction was his contract dispute.
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