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Old 05-23-2016, 10:51 PM   #1
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So I was listening to Mike Klis on Fan today.

DMac was pretty annoying with his take that Booker is going to be worse than Montee Ball because he was taken later. His whole argument was nonsensical: Booker is worse than Montee Ball because he was taken later, and Redskins got their "good" QB by taking two in the draft. Ergo, the Broncos should be like the Redskins and not used their pick on Booker, but used it on another QB because it always happens like that.

Anyway, Klis drops this bomb: That Broncos wanted to use their first on an offensive player. Had Lynch gone to the Jets like many feared, they would have stayed at 31 and used their pick to select Devontae Booker in the first round.

Why did they wait until the fourth? The logic gets really weird here, but according to Klis, once the Broncos got their offensive upgrade, they had a priority on Gotsis because of Bill Kollar demanding it. Then supposedly the team had a priority at safety because of turnover next year. So when round four came around, the Broncos were "thrilled" to take Booker.

This makes no sense to me. If the Broncos had a first round grade on any player, why would they let him slide that much? Why didn't we trade up in the same round to be safe?

It was one of the most absurd conversations from both parties I've ever heard.

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Old 05-23-2016, 10:53 PM   #2
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Sorry, the one good thing that came out of it was Hoyer not coming here came down to the Broncos wanting Sanchez and Lynch to get more reps. They intend one of those two to start and Lynch will be given more than a decent chance to take the job from Mark Sanchez.
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Old 05-23-2016, 11:07 PM   #3
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That entire line of thinking made no sense. Booker is not a first round pick, especially not with the meniscus.

When I saw the initial tweet on it I thought it was Kils being crazy.

If we had taken him in round 1 I would have lost my damn mind.
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Old 05-23-2016, 11:09 PM   #4
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Yeah it's nonsensical after the fact homer whitewashing that Klis is known for.

That said, Booker seems like great value in the 4th regardless
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also cut Sanchez like a motherless goat

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Old 05-23-2016, 11:15 PM   #6
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Old 05-23-2016, 11:18 PM   #7
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Picks after Broncos @ #26

27 Green Bay Packers Kenny Clark DT
28 San Francisco 49ers Joshua Garnett G
New England Patriots Selection forfeited
29 Arizona Cardinals Robert Nkemdiche DT
30 Carolina Panthers Vernon Butler DT
31 Seattle Seahawks Germain Ifedi OT
32 Cleveland Browns Emmanuel Ogbah DE
33 Tennessee Titans Kevin Dodd OLB
34 Dallas Cowboys Jaylon Smith OLB
35 San Diego Chargers Hunter Henry TE
36 Jacksonville Jaguars Myles Jack OLB
37 Kansas City Chiefs Chris Jones DT
38 Miami Dolphins Xavien Howard CB
39 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Noah Spence OLB
40 New York Giants Sterling Shepard WR
41 Buffalo Bills Reggie Ragland ILB
42 Baltimore Ravens Kamalei Correa LB
43 Tennessee Titans Austin Johnson DT
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Old 05-23-2016, 11:20 PM   #8
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I caught some of this same show, and I was just as confused by it as you were.

The first time Klis trotted out the "Broncos were considering Booker in the first round" story I figured it was just your usual post-pick positive spin. But to hear him repeat it today along with this elaborate explanation of why the Broncos twice passed on a player they apparently wanted at #31 was mind-boggling. I'm assuming that Klis was merely spinning a yarn to justify his original report, because the method of "draft for need twice before miraculously lucking into your BPA for the past two rounds" doesn't sound like Elway's draft approach.

And I always regret listening to DMac because the dude's "hot takes" are completely clueless (although his suggestion today that the Broncos caused Sanchez's weightlifting injury on purpose to stack the deck for Pax was entertainingly ludicrous). Trying to follow his logic for how Ball>Booker OR how the Broncos screwed up by not drafting a second QB such as Hogan/Cardale/Cook was making my head hurt. Wasn't he one of the first guys to jump on the Siemian bandwagon last year?

I'm really glad that The Drive isn't the only radio game in town anymore. Having Lindahl/Ed or Nate & Nalen available as DMac alternatives has made my afternoon commutes much nicer.
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Old 05-24-2016, 05:24 AM   #9
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So I was listening to Mike Klis on Fan today.

DMac was...

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.... one of the most absurd conversations from both parties I've every heard.
There's your answer Fishbulb

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Old 05-24-2016, 05:46 AM   #10
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wow..... I know these guys have the inside track at times at Denver HQ, but damn they are stupid when it comes to the draft.
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Old 05-24-2016, 06:04 AM   #11
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Pro Tip: Stop listening to sports talk radio, especially in Denver, but ESPECIALLY The Fan.
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Old 05-24-2016, 06:08 AM   #12
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(although his suggestion today that the Broncos caused Sanchez's weightlifting injury on purpose to stack the deck for Pax was entertainingly ludicrous).
ha ha...I see every innocuous thing is still a nefarious conspiracy in Dmacland. Stop listening to him long ago bit evidently he is still **** stirring where there is no ****.
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Dmac is obviously a moron.

But, Klis is an idiot right? I've always thought he said stupid things that were hardly right. Am I on my own here?
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It's bogus. A lot of people (including myself) called BS that when Klis tweeted it after he was selected. It makes absolutely no sense.
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I guess I kinda understand Dmac reasoning. On paper, if Booker was as good, he would of been drafted earlier like Ball in the 2nd round. Ofcourse its all dependent on team draft needs and talent each year, but not a difference of 2 rounds.

What Klis is saying doesn't make any sense. If they valued him that high, they would of never let him drop to the 4th round. The only way that would make any sense is that the Broncos were firm on their board. That they would draft, offense in the 1st, defense in the 2nd, defense in the 3rd and offense in the 4th.
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Not taking sides but I don't see why it's so illogical. He suited their plans in the 1st but not the 2nd and 3rd. They weren't going QB, RB in 1-2, that ignores the rest of the field. It's not inconceivable to me at all.
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Not taking sides but I don't see why it's so illogical. He suited their plans in the 1st but not the 2nd and 3rd. They weren't going QB, RB in 1-2, that ignores the rest of the field. It's not inconceivable to me at all.
If he's the best player available at #31, he's going to be the best player, BY FAR, available at #63. That's what doesn't fit logically. You don't take a defensive player who has a 2nd round grade over an offensive player with a first round grade. And the way Elway has drafted previously lends credence to this and not to the radio guys. We certainly could have drafted OL last year instead of Ray since we're very deep at OLB/DE, but BPA. We certainly could have drafted someone else the previous year instead of Roby since we're deep at CB, but BPA.
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Old 05-24-2016, 06:43 AM   #19
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Klis has contacts at Dove Valley. Somebody probably gave him "bad" info, or info that either they or he misinterpreted. Or at least we better hope it's bad info, because if it's legit it makes their draft strategy look more than a little questionable.
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Denver wanted him so bad in the first that they waited until the 4th round to draft him.
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This is a copy cat league. I think you'll see a trend of the best players being drafted in the later rounds or not drafted at all.

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Old 05-24-2016, 08:01 AM   #22
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So a 1st round grade on bin and they pass on him twice more because a position coach wanted a guy and they have holes next year? Yeah. Not buying that.

If they had a true 1st round grade on him, they take him in the 2nd.
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I'm guessing that the Broncos MAY have had a first round grade on Booker (along with about 25 other players) but that does not mean they would have taken Booker in the first--UNLESS--every other player the Broncos had a first round grade on was gone. It just so happens that Booker was sitting there in the 4th and they were happy to take him.
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I'm guessing that the Broncos MAY have had a first round grade on Booker (along with about 25 other players) but that does not mean they would have taken Booker in the first--UNLESS--every other player the Broncos had a first round grade on was gone. It just so happens that Booker was sitting there in the 4th and they were happy to take him.
Yeah this is what the story probably is.
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Not taking sides but I don't see why it's so illogical. He suited their plans in the 1st but not the 2nd and 3rd. They weren't going QB, RB in 1-2, that ignores the rest of the field. It's not inconceivable to me at all.
You don't pass over a guy you have a first round grade on during multiple rounds of the draft and then select him in the 4th round. If they were willing to take him in round 1 and he was the guy should Lynch have been gone then he would have been plucked in the 2nd.
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