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Old 10-31-2016, 04:22 AM   #1
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We have had tied games in consecutive weeks now and the Oakland - Tampa Bay game was pretty close to being tied as well.

Do ties belong in the NFL in the regular season? I would argue they do. As an example I would like to offer the Seattle - Arizona game. Ultimately both teams deserved to lose that game, but that isn't and obviously shouldn't be an option. The teams had between them 75 minutes of football that stretched over nearly 3.5 hours of real time to settle the game and they couldn't.

I think there are 4 main reasons why ties should exist:

1) TV-time. Games can't go on indefinitely like they do in playoffs because of TV. The NFL is an entertainment industry and they reach their audience mostly via TV, so having games played that aren't televised is a waste of time.

2) Quality of play and risk of injury. We know from NHL playoff games that go far into overtime and soccer games that go far into overtime that quality of play drops significantly the longer a game goes beyond normal time. In the NFL that means higher risk of injuries and reduction in the quality of the product.

3) Punishment. Any team that can't win a game in 75 minutes of football does not deserve a win. That 1 in the tie column could concievably cost Seattle home field advantage in the playoffs and if that ends up being the case they deserve it.

4) There is no satisfactory alternative. There is no penalty shot in football. The college system has some advantages, but still lacks the simplicity of a penalty shootout and the full complexity of an actual overtime with the full field of play.

I know the argument that ties are disappointing. But nobody can tell me that any fan could watch the entirety of the Seattle - Arizona game and not come away disappointed even if one of the teams had won at the end of overtime. Why should we be subjected to any more of that missery?
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Old 10-31-2016, 06:07 AM   #2
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I hate the college OT rules which removes too much of the game. Then again, I'm one of those people who was okay with ties in hockey and think the shootouts are lame.
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Old 10-31-2016, 06:22 AM   #3
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If you can win the game in 5 quarters, you don't derseve the win.
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Old 10-31-2016, 07:11 AM   #4
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Ties in the regular season are fine. I dont see the problem.
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I think they ought to get rid of the whole damn "If it's a TD you win, but if you score a field goal it's not, but if the other team scores a field goal, then you do the hokey pokey, and if the other team can't put their left hand in or put their left foot out, and your team doesn't do the hokey pokey and shake themselves about, then touchdown Seahawks."

Leave it as a normal fourth quarter. If it's tied at the end, it's a tie. Easy.
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Old 10-31-2016, 07:18 AM   #6
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Regular season ties are fine. Overtime was really only used in playoff games until 1975. Denver and Pittsburgh played the first regular season OT game in 1975. And it ended as a 35-35 tie. The hype was "sudden Death".
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Old 10-31-2016, 08:25 AM   #7
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There is really no way around a tie. There isn't going to be a sixth quarter in the regular season. I think the college overtime is dumb because it strips away parts of the game. Ties don't happen often enough for it to be a huge issue. And I had no problem with the old OT system. First score wins and get out of there. I think only 10% of the games were decided with only one team getting the ball. So they changed the system over something that happened only 10% of the time. Is 10% too much? I guess.
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Old 10-31-2016, 08:30 AM   #8
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4 quarters in regular season regardless of score, added time to 4th quarter with no stoppage until someone scores in the playoffs. No additional kick offs and timeouts in overtime, just play on....
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I think what the NFL is doing is fine. The only complaint I have is from a player safety perspective is that field goals should be a part of sudden death.
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Ties are fine. The problem is hyper-competitive, stupid Americans that can't handle the concept of no one coming out of a match as the "better" team.
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There's not really any good solution, unless you are so dead set against ties you pretty much think crap on a wall would be better than a tie like Russell Wilson.

Every sport that settles for some tie breaking measure has come up with a gimmick. In the NHL at least it's restricted to the regular season. I'm still amazed World Cups are allowed to be decided on penalty kicks. If they did come up with a gimmick at least don't have it centered around a field goal. That would be worse than deciding games on penalty kicks.


This recent spate of ties is a fluke, ties are still not common enough in the NFL to warrant having to come up with some gimmick even if only restricted to the regular season.
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Old 10-31-2016, 10:20 AM   #12
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As long as they aren't bolo ties, I don't see why not.
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There's not really any good solution, unless you are so dead set against ties you pretty much think crap on a wall would be better than a tie like Russell Wilson.

Every sport that settles for some tie breaking measure has come up with a gimmick. In the NHL at least it's restricted to the regular season. I'm still amazed World Cups are allowed to be decided on penalty kicks. If they did come up with a gimmick at least don't have it centered around a field goal. That would be worse than deciding games on penalty kicks.


This recent spate of ties is a fluke, ties are still not common enough in the NFL to warrant having to come up with some gimmick even if only restricted to the regular season.
I disagree, I think a FG off would be just fine. Games come down to 1 FG all the time. Gradually increase the distance of the FG kicks until someone misses it.
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I think they ought to get rid of the whole damn "If it's a TD you win, but if you score a field goal it's not, but if the other team scores a field goal, then you do the hokey pokey, and if the other team can't put their left hand in or put their left foot out, and your team doesn't do the hokey pokey and shake themselves about, then touchdown Seahawks."

Leave it as a normal fourth quarter. If it's tied at the end, it's a tie. Easy.
I agree with this. Either make it sudden death or make it that both teams get a shot or just play out an extra quarter, but quit dicking around NFL.
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Old 10-31-2016, 10:29 AM   #15
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I actually like the college rules. And they don't seem to be struggling for TV ratings.

But I also agree with A Defiant Goose in that if you're going to allow a tie, what's the point of overtime? Just have a tie after four quarters or do something like college that forces a winner.
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Old 10-31-2016, 10:32 AM   #16
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I disagree, I think a FG off would be just fine. Games come down to 1 FG all the time. Gradually increase the distance of the FG kicks until someone misses it.
Even though I think it's unnecessary it is kind of fun to speculate about different tie breaking methods. I'd avoid field goals... yeah they decide games but that's when they are part of the game... teams have to get into position for them.

How about this: roll a dice. Whatever number comes up, the ball will be placed on that yard line, 1 to 6. Then a coin toss. The winner gets to decide if they want to go for a score from that position or defend it. If the offense scores, that teams wins. If it's defended, the other team wins.
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Old 10-31-2016, 11:26 AM   #17
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How about a kicker shoot out?! Have each kicker start with a 30 yarder and go back 10 yards each time if both kickers make it. Go all the way back to a 55 yarder. If both kickers make all their kicks the game ends in a tie!
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Old 10-31-2016, 11:31 AM   #18
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Depends. A good tie can put the finishing touch on a classic suit.
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Ties count and should be left alone.
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I'll go a bit further and say that they should even allow ties in the SB. A tie in the SB results in both teams going home with nothing and the championship game losers play the next week for the SB. And if they tie, then the Pats win.
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I'll go a bit further and say that they should even allow ties in the SB. A tie in the SB results in both teams going home with nothing and the championship game losers play the next week for the SB. And if they tie, then the Pats win.
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I'll go a bit further and say that they should even allow ties in the SB. A tie in the SB results in both teams going home with nothing and the championship game losers play the next week for the SB. And if they tie, then the Pats win.
I love roughly 80% of this idea.
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The real question is, does Norwood a belong in the NFL , let alone as a banner on the orangemane
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