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Old 05-17-2012, 12:11 PM   #1
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Default Bucs resign kicker Barth with big $$$, should facilitate Prater signing

The bar has been set this afternoon. This guy just got a 4 year, 13.2 million dollar deal.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/79...th-4-year-deal



Let's stack him up against Matt Prater, who is currently "technically not under contract."



If anything, this lets the front office how much they truly need to pay prater if they are going to keep him. Prater is every bit as good as Barth, with a much stronger leg. Should facilitate our resigning of prater, or release, if that is the direction we want to go.

To extrapolate, the biggest kicker contract in history was Janikowski's 4 year, 16 million dollar doozie.

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Old 05-17-2012, 12:18 PM   #2
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Good thing the home games are in thin air. Prater is great but it's also easier in colorado to kick a field goal than in Florida. Not too long ago Prater couldn't hit a barn in the 40-49 range. Praters value was huge with tebow. Not quite as valuable with manning

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Old 05-17-2012, 12:18 PM   #3
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That's a lot of money.
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:24 PM   #4
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Prater is great but it's also easier in colorado to kick a field goal than in Florida.
Couldn't disagree more. Altitude may affect distance, but it doesn't help accuracy. And it's a lot tougher to kick in Denver weather than Tampa weather (plus Tampa plays many more away games in domes, due to their division/conference). In short, it's "easier" to kick in Tampa than Denver IMO....especially now that the kickoff has been moved to the 35 for everyone.
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:28 PM   #5
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Couldn't disagree more. Altitude may affect distance, but it doesn't help accuracy. And it's a lot tougher to kick in Denver weather than Tampa weather (plus Tampa plays many more away games in domes, due to their division/conference). In short, it's "easier" to kick in Tampa than Denver IMO....especially now that the kickoff has been moved to the 35 for everyone.
That's true. I was thinking more along the lines of distance. I still need to see more 40-49yard field goals consistently from him though. I get nervous when he's in that range. Over 50 under 40 no problem.
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:39 PM   #6
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Should facilitate our resigning of prater, or release, if that is the direction we want to go.
I don't see releasing him as an option. They used the franchise tag on him so Prater isn't holding all the cards. He can sit out if a long term deal isn't reached, but he would be in the same situation again next year.
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:51 PM   #7
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I've also seen a few people say this now, and I'd like to address it:

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Praters value was huge with tebow. Not quite as valuable with manning
I wouldn't be so sure. Last year, we were ranked #28 in the league in field goal attempts. Only 4 teams attempted fewer field goals. That's embarrassing for a team that plays half its games in Denver, where you should be attempting MORE kicks if anything.

We did, of course, lean on him in quite a few high pressure situations late in the 4th quarter and OT due to all the close games which we may not duplicate this year with Manning. But it would be a mistake to underestimate how valuable he becomes with a QB like Manning who should get us into field goal range more than the 1.5 times per game under Orton/Tebow. I wouldn't be surprised if Prater comes close to doubling his attempts this year. He will most certainly be a valuable part of our scoring units once again this year.
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:56 PM   #8
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prater has earned his money. you can't really help what the market for kickers has turned into, so the alternative is to pay less and sign a much more unreliable kicker. From what i've read, those alternatives are guys like Longwell, Rayner, Buehler, etc.--not exactly guys that inspire confidence.

prater's a good fit here. the only question is do we write him up on something like a 5 year deal or stick to a 3 year. broncos can just keep franchising the guy and he'll get top 5 kicker money as long as they do.
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I would not give a long term deal to a kicker
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I would not give a long term deal to a kicker
do you let a proven kicker go should someone like KC offer more years but same annual salary?
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Old 05-17-2012, 01:07 PM   #11
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Just to stir the pot a little...


Prater made some huge kicks last year, and he was a bigger part of Denver's winning streak than a kicker would typically be. But he's still a kicker, and one who's made just 80.4% of his attempts with the Broncos, including an atrocious 12 of 23 from 40-49 yards (52.2%).

If you're wondering, Ryan Longwell is available and has made 83.2% of his career kicks, including 72.4% from 40-49 yards.

Steven Hauschka, who stepped in for an injured Prater in 2010 and became Seattle's kicker last season after Denver cut him in the preseason, was good 83.3% of the time in 2011, including 7 of 8 (87.5%) from 40-49. He's also a free agent - perhaps Denver should consider bringing him back.

Besides, PMFM doesn't appreciate drunk/idiot kickers.


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Old 05-17-2012, 01:10 PM   #12
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Good thing the home games are in thin air. Prater is great but it's also easier in colorado to kick a field goal than in Florida. Not too long ago Prater couldn't hit a barn in the 40-49 range. Praters value was huge with tebow. Not quite as valuable with manning
What? So Elam wasn't valuable when he was with Elway... or Plummer? You are on a retarded roll today!
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Old 05-17-2012, 01:14 PM   #13
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I would not give a long term deal to a kicker
Elam had a long term deal it took us awhile to replace him.

I think once you find a dependable kicker you should lock him up.

Where I balk is giving him 14 mil for only 4 years.

I could a 5 year deal for 8-10 mil or less if they could swing it.

I agree with Beantown, I think Prater will get more chances as we will get into scoring position more than 1 time per game like we did with Tebow.

Plus with Manning as the QB we can try the longer kicks rather than be forced to punt and play field position like we had to last year.
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Old 05-17-2012, 01:29 PM   #14
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Elam had a long term deal it took us awhile to replace him.

I think once you find a dependable kicker you should lock him up.

Where I balk is giving him 14 mil for only 4 years.

I could a 5 year deal for 8-10 mil or less if they could swing it.

I agree with Beantown, I think Prater will get more chances as we will get into scoring position more than 1 time per game like we did with Tebow.

Plus with Manning as the QB we can try the longer kicks rather than be forced to punt and play field position like we had to last year.
Agreed. Just sign him. He was pretty money last year. Hell, for the chicago game alone he earned it
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Agreed. Just sign him. He was pretty money last year. Hell, for the chicago game alone he earned it
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Just to stir the pot a little...


Prater made some huge kicks last year, and he was a bigger part of Denver's winning streak than a kicker would typically be. But he's still a kicker, and one who's made just 80.4% of his attempts with the Broncos, including an atrocious 12 of 23 from 40-49 yards (52.2%).

If you're wondering, Ryan Longwell is available and has made 83.2% of his career kicks, including 72.4% from 40-49 yards.

Steven Hauschka, who stepped in for an injured Prater in 2010 and became Seattle's kicker last season after Denver cut him in the preseason, was good 83.3% of the time in 2011, including 7 of 8 (87.5%) from 40-49. He's also a free agent - perhaps Denver should consider bringing him back.

Besides, PMFM doesn't appreciate drunk/idiot kickers.


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All they do is stir the pot.
Somewhat agree. But they do make some fair points about his %, particularly his numbers from 40-49 which are not good.
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Old 05-17-2012, 01:41 PM   #18
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Somewhat agree. But they do make some fair points about his %, particularly his numbers from 40-49 which are not good.
Too small a sample size.

Over the course of two whole seasons from 2009-2010, he was 12 for 15 on field goals between 40-49 yds. One bad stretch can swing the percentages when you're talking about 1 attempt in that range every 2-3 weeks.

1 more made kick in two seasons? 87%
1 more missed kick in two seasons? 73%

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Old 05-17-2012, 01:42 PM   #19
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Good thing the home games are in thin air. Prater is great but it's also easier in colorado to kick a field goal than in Florida. Not too long ago Prater couldn't hit a barn in the 40-49 range. Praters value was huge with tebow. Not quite as valuable with manning
i don't know about that. a good field goal kicker is a good thing to have no matter who is QB. with his leg it also basically can guarantee Denver's offense is good for 3 just about any time it sets foot on the field
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i do like Prater though so I would hate to see him go especially after last years monster season.
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Old 05-17-2012, 01:55 PM   #21
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I think you should wait and see how he does this year where as many have said he'll be getting more FG attempts. If he has a good year then you extend him, if not let him walk and get another kicker or just use the tag again in 2013 if it's not needed elsewhere (Clady)
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Old 05-17-2012, 03:35 PM   #22
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Give Prater a 3 year deal worth about $9m total with aprox. $4.5m or half fully guaranteed. That's basically $1.5m a year fully guaranteed.

done deal, move on with the rooks.
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Too small a sample size...
Fair argument. But I still wouldn't go too crazy $ with him.
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Old 05-17-2012, 04:13 PM   #24
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once you get an elite kicker you ride that mother like a hooker in a back alley until he isn't work ****.

pay the man his money. not interested in trying to draft or break in a new young K.
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