Elway couldn't pass on Manning's heir apparent - The Orange Mane

Bronco Rob · 05-15-2012, 02:49 PM

Elway couldn't pass on Manning's heir apparent

Arnie Stapleton Tuesday May 15, 2012 - 4:20 PM

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) - John Elway says he just couldn't pass on Peyton Manning's heir apparent, even though he hopes Brock Osweiler will be holding a clipboard for years to come.

Elway said he had to "sacrifice the short-term for the long-term" when he used a second-round pick last month on the Arizona State quarterback rather than drafting a player who could help Manning right away.

The boss of the Denver Broncos was joined by coach John Fox in an hour-long conference call with 6,000 season ticket holders Tuesday, and one caller from suburban Broomfield asked Elway for his reasoning in selecting Osweiler with the 57th overall pick.

The Hall of Fame quarterback, who rejoined the Broncos last year as vice president of football operations, replied: "It's always tough to pick a quarterback that you know is not going to play for you for a while. But I think we have high hopes for him in the future to where once Peyton decides to hang them up that he's the guy in waiting that can keep this (going) and we don't miss a beat ... and we can continue to compete for world championships year in and year out."

Manning signed a five-year, $96 million deal in Denver after his release from Indianapolis. His father, Archie, has said he thinks his son is "year-to-year" after missing all of last season because of a nerve injury that caused weakness in his throwing arm.

Manning, however, has said he intends to fulfill all five years of his contract.

That would mean a long apprenticeship for Osweiler, a 21-year-old righty from Montana who stands 6-foot-8 and is working hard to fix flaws in his throwing motion to better capitalize on his height advantage. http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=105508

"It's a perfect situation where there's not the pressure for him to come in and start right away," Elway said. "He's not ready for that. But he's also going to learn from Peyton and ... I think it's a great learning experience for him to where we are set for the future.

"And he's our guy for the future," Elway said. "And sometimes we have to sacrifice the short-term for the long-term to grab the guy that you believe can be that next guy for you, and that's Brock Osweiler."

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Kaylore · 05-15-2012, 02:53 PM

He's really high on this guy. I hope he sees something I don't. I don't think he sucks the way other people do, but Elway talks like this guy is a franchise QB. I don't see the skill set. He's "ok". I know people say he didn't start very much, but that's kind of a my point. I have no idea how he is as a leader of men, but he comes off as rah-rah type. That might work in college but he seems like kind of a goober to me.

Mind you I'm not saying he sucks or is going to suck, just not sure what the big deal is...

BroncoBeavis · 05-15-2012, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Rob

But I think we have high hopes for him in the future to where once Peyton decides to hang them up that he's the guy in waiting that can keep this (going) and we don't miss a beat ... and we can continue to compete for world championships year in and year out."]

Good to know John goes in with such reasonable expectations.

Smiling Assassin27 · 05-15-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Good to know John goes in with such reasonable expectations.

You expect titles, you just might get 'em. You expect failure, you get the KC Chiefs.

Sincerely,

Tony Robbins

lolcopter · 05-15-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

He's really high on this guy. I hope he sees something I don't. I don't think he sucks the way other people do, but Elway talks like this guy is a franchise QB. I don't see the skill set. He's "ok". I know people say he didn't start very much, but that's kind of a my point. I have no idea how he is as a leader of men, but he comes off as rah-rah type. That might work in college but he seems like kind of a goober to me.

Mind you I'm not saying he sucks or is going to suck, just not sure what the big deal is...

He's a tall pocket passer with a quick release and strong arm

What skill set are you not seeing exactly?

Also lol at the rah rah leadership comment given the last guy we had under center

McD more rings than Elway · 05-15-2012, 03:02 PM

Looking at the history of the sit-and-wait QBs (Steve McNair, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers), I think there's a good chance Osweiler works out if he gets the opportunity to sit for three years.Todd Graham, the new ASU coach from Pitt, is an a-hole. I don't blame Osweiler for leaving. With 4,000+ yards and 26 TDs, I like the on-field performance from him too when you factor in that he was a redshirt-sophomore. In terms of ability, Osweiler was a better value in the late 2nd than no-upside Brandon Weeden in the 1st or project QB Ryan Tannehill at 8th overall. One round later, a midget (Russell Wilson) and a Kyle Orton clone (Nick Foles) get taken.

Kaylore · 05-15-2012, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lolcopter

He's a tall pocket passer with a quick release and strong arm

What skill set are you not seeing exactly?

Also lol at the rah rah leadership comment given the last guy we had under center

Well I wasn't the biggest proponent for Tebow being a starting a QB. I was against drafting him and still luke-warm on his chances in the NFL, though I did love him, the guy.

And being tall and having a quick release isn't "skill." I'm talking about accuracy, reading defenses, making good decisions and managing a game. Kind of "meh" in those categories I think you'll agree.

lolcopter · 05-15-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Well I wasn't the biggest proponent for Tebow being a starting a QB. I was against drafting him and still luke-warm on his chances in the NFL, though I did love him, the guy.

And being tall and having a quick release isn't "skill." I'm talking about accuracy, reading defenses, making good decisions and managing a game. Kind of "meh" in those categories I think you'll agree.

I would argue that physical attribute certainly do fall under a skill set, and while he does have plenty of work to do in those other areas, it's not as if the guy has a ton of experience to play off of. He has all the physical tools, he just needs to build on the mental aspects of the game which requires time and practice

Chris · 05-15-2012, 03:11 PM

do you think elway gets a boner when he watches twilight

BroncoBeavis · 05-15-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lolcopter

He's a tall pocket passer with a quick release and strong arm

What skill set are you not seeing exactly?r

The one where he replaces Peyton frickin' Manning and nobody misses a beat.

Kaylore · 05-15-2012, 03:13 PM

Talent and skill are two different things. Having a strong arm, being tall, athleticism - those are things you are born with. You can improve them in some small measure. Skill is proficiency built from knowledge, practice and aptitude. Having a quick mind mind help you process information to read a defense, but reading a defense is a skill.

Chris · 05-15-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Talent and skill are two different things. Having a strong arm, being tall, athleticism - those are things you are born with. You can improve them in some small measure. Skill is proficiency built from knowledge, practice and aptitude. Having a quick mind mind help you process information to read a defense, but reading a defense is a skill.

So in essence, despite their both being pocket passers, Osweiler is the polar opposite of Peyton Manning.

Pony Boy · 05-15-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

He's really high on this guy. I hope he sees something I don't. I don't think he sucks the way other people do, but Elway talks like this guy is a franchise QB. I don't see the skill set. He's "ok". I know people say he didn't start very much, but that's kind of a my point. I have no idea how he is as a leader of men, but he comes off as rah-rah type. That might work in college but he seems like kind of a goober to me.

Mind you I'm not saying he sucks or is going to suck, just not sure what the big deal is...

I agree with most of what you say in this post but I hope Elway is right in what he sees in him. I just don't see a team in the SEC or Big 12 that he would have started for in 2011.

Smiling Assassin27 · 05-15-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lolcopter

I would argue that physical attribute certainly do fall under a skill set, and while he does have plenty of work to do in those other areas, it's not as if the guy has a ton of experience to play off of. He has all the physical tools, he just needs to build on the mental aspects of the game which requires time and practice

Meh, he'll never get to actually see the field.

Sincerely,

Jim Sorgi

lolcopter · 05-15-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Meh, he'll never get to actually see the field.

Sincerely,

Jim Sorgi

Wasn't sorgi like a 6th round pick?

Chris · 05-15-2012, 04:03 PM

Yes and so was Painter (may have been a 7th).

Kaylore · 05-15-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy

I agree with most of what you say in this post but I hope Elway is right in what he sees in him. I just don't see a team in the SEC or Big 12 that he would have started for in 2011.

That's high praise since SEC QB's typically suck balls.

elsid13 · 05-15-2012, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy

I agree with most of what you say in this post but I hope Elway is right in what he sees in him. I just don't see a team in the SEC or Big 12 that he would have started for in 2011.

I think he isn't that good, but there are number of team in both the Big 12 (Kansas, TT, Iowa State) and Sec (old Miss, Miss State, Auburn South Carolina) that he would have started at.

Bottom line I think Elway felt very comfortable with someone both his son and a friend (Ericson) spoke highly of.

TheReverend · 05-15-2012, 04:59 PM

The last time we went from a GOAT QB to a 2nd rounder we missed more than a beat...

SonOfLe-loLang · 05-15-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

The last time we went from a GOAT QB to a 2nd rounder we missed more than a beat...

I think Griese was a third, but im picking nits

R-Mac · 05-15-2012, 05:14 PM

With one more season as a starter at Arizona State, Osweiler probably would have been a first round pick in 2013. There were eight first round quarterbacks in the last two drafts. Blaine Gabbert was far from impressive at Missouri, he could not produce better stats than undrafted free agent Chase Daniel. Gabbert was a top ten pick because a team saw upside in a combination of prototypical size, arm strength and athletic ability. And Gabbert is not even a tough guy in the pocket, while Osweiler finishes his throws even when he knows he's going to get hit. Christian Ponder was a surprise first round pick. The Browns just drafted a twenty eight year-old quarterback in the first round.

The problem in the current situation is that Osweiler won't have one more season of experience on the field to get better. The upside is still there, but he will spend the season out of the field, holding a clipboard and watching film. At least the Broncos invested in a quarterback of the future, something that could have saved Bill Polian's job. Polian lost his job because he did not care about the backup quarterback. The Colts never needed Jim Sorgi, but they needed the dreadful Curtis Painter when Peyton Manning had several neck surgeries. And look what happened.

You don't know when you'll need your backup quarterback, but you better have someone ready and talented enough to win games.

WolfpackGuy · 05-15-2012, 05:25 PM

If he keeps his elbow up like in that mini camp video, I might change my mind on his throwing.

Gotta fix that arm coming through late when he tries to put something on it though.

The ball should be exploding out of the arm of someone who is 6'7" or whatever.

ColoradoDarin · 05-15-2012, 05:34 PM

I don't believe a single word out of Elway's mouth, he's got this lying thing down.

TheReverend · 05-15-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

I think Griese was a third, but im picking nits

Repped for correcting.

Point remains.

Bigdawg26 · 05-15-2012, 05:50 PM

Man Elway is really in love with this kid! He's got all the tools to be good. I just hope he learns the nuances of the game and how to prepare from the two of the best QB's to ever play the game.

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Bronco Rob Ring of Famer There's A New Sheriff In Town Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 4,587 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bill Vinovich	Elway couldn't pass on Manning's heir apparent Elway couldn't pass on Manning's heir apparent Arnie Stapleton Tuesday May 15, 2012 - 4:20 PM ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) - John Elway says he just couldn't pass on Peyton Manning's heir apparent, even though he hopes Brock Osweiler will be holding a clipboard for years to come. Elway said he had to "sacrifice the short-term for the long-term" when he used a second-round pick last month on the Arizona State quarterback rather than drafting a player who could help Manning right away. The boss of the Denver Broncos was joined by coach John Fox in an hour-long conference call with 6,000 season ticket holders Tuesday, and one caller from suburban Broomfield asked Elway for his reasoning in selecting Osweiler with the 57th overall pick. The Hall of Fame quarterback, who rejoined the Broncos last year as vice president of football operations, replied: "It's always tough to pick a quarterback that you know is not going to play for you for a while. But I think we have high hopes for him in the future to where once Peyton decides to hang them up that he's the guy in waiting that can keep this (going) and we don't miss a beat ... and we can continue to compete for world championships year in and year out." Manning signed a five-year, $96 million deal in Denver after his release from Indianapolis. His father, Archie, has said he thinks his son is "year-to-year" after missing all of last season because of a nerve injury that caused weakness in his throwing arm. Manning, however, has said he intends to fulfill all five years of his contract. That would mean a long apprenticeship for Osweiler, a 21-year-old righty from Montana who stands 6-foot-8 and is working hard to fix flaws in his throwing motion to better capitalize on his height advantage. http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=105508 "It's a perfect situation where there's not the pressure for him to come in and start right away," Elway said. "He's not ready for that. But he's also going to learn from Peyton and ... I think it's a great learning experience for him to where we are set for the future. "And he's our guy for the future," Elway said. "And sometimes we have to sacrifice the short-term for the long-term to grab the guy that you believe can be that next guy for you, and that's Brock Osweiler." For The Rest... http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/1...-heir-apparent

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05-15-2012, 02:53 PM	#2
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,025 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	He's really high on this guy. I hope he sees something I don't. I don't think he sucks the way other people do, but Elway talks like this guy is a franchise QB. I don't see the skill set. He's "ok". I know people say he didn't start very much, but that's kind of a my point. I have no idea how he is as a leader of men, but he comes off as rah-rah type. That might work in college but he seems like kind of a goober to me. Mind you I'm not saying he sucks or is going to suck, just not sure what the big deal is...

05-15-2012, 03:02 PM	#6
McD more rings than Elway Just Drafted New to the Forum Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 26 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Looking at the history of the sit-and-wait QBs (Steve McNair, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers), I think there's a good chance Osweiler works out if he gets the opportunity to sit for three years.Todd Graham, the new ASU coach from Pitt, is an a-hole. I don't blame Osweiler for leaving. With 4,000+ yards and 26 TDs, I like the on-field performance from him too when you factor in that he was a redshirt-sophomore. In terms of ability, Osweiler was a better value in the late 2nd than no-upside Brandon Weeden in the 1st or project QB Ryan Tannehill at 8th overall. One round later, a midget (Russell Wilson) and a Kyle Orton clone (Nick Foles) get taken.

05-15-2012, 03:11 PM	#9
Chris Millenium Scrooge McDuck Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7,498 Adopt-a-Bronco: OrlandoFranklin	do you think elway gets a boner when he watches twilight

05-15-2012, 03:13 PM	#11
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,025 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Talent and skill are two different things. Having a strong arm, being tall, athleticism - those are things you are born with. You can improve them in some small measure. Skill is proficiency built from knowledge, practice and aptitude. Having a quick mind mind help you process information to read a defense, but reading a defense is a skill.

05-15-2012, 04:03 PM	#16
Chris Millenium Scrooge McDuck Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7,498 Adopt-a-Bronco: OrlandoFranklin	Yes and so was Painter (may have been a 7th).

05-15-2012, 04:59 PM	#19
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ buy this... twice Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 32,981 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	The last time we went from a GOAT QB to a 2nd rounder we missed more than a beat...

05-15-2012, 05:14 PM	#21
R-Mac Seasoned Veteran Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 253	With one more season as a starter at Arizona State, Osweiler probably would have been a first round pick in 2013. There were eight first round quarterbacks in the last two drafts. Blaine Gabbert was far from impressive at Missouri, he could not produce better stats than undrafted free agent Chase Daniel. Gabbert was a top ten pick because a team saw upside in a combination of prototypical size, arm strength and athletic ability. And Gabbert is not even a tough guy in the pocket, while Osweiler finishes his throws even when he knows he's going to get hit. Christian Ponder was a surprise first round pick. The Browns just drafted a twenty eight year-old quarterback in the first round. The problem in the current situation is that Osweiler won't have one more season of experience on the field to get better. The upside is still there, but he will spend the season out of the field, holding a clipboard and watching film. At least the Broncos invested in a quarterback of the future, something that could have saved Bill Polian's job. Polian lost his job because he did not care about the backup quarterback. The Colts never needed Jim Sorgi, but they needed the dreadful Curtis Painter when Peyton Manning had several neck surgeries. And look what happened. You don't know when you'll need your backup quarterback, but you better have someone ready and talented enough to win games.

05-15-2012, 05:25 PM	#22
WolfpackGuy Call me, "Maybe" Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 5,675	If he keeps his elbow up like in that mini camp video, I might change my mind on his throwing. Gotta fix that arm coming through late when he tries to put something on it though. The ball should be exploding out of the arm of someone who is 6'7" or whatever.

05-15-2012, 05:34 PM	#23
ColoradoDarin Ring of Famer AFCW Champs! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: St Augustine, FL Posts: 5,523 Adopt-a-Bronco: Knowshon's Shoe	I don't believe a single word out of Elway's mouth, he's got this lying thing down.

05-15-2012, 05:50 PM	#25
Bigdawg26 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,475 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Man Elway is really in love with this kid! He's got all the tools to be good. I just hope he learns the nuances of the game and how to prepare from the two of the best QB's to ever play the game.