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1 The Broncos should have never signed Peyton Manning. Tebow gives us the best chance to win. 2 7.14%
2 We don't need a backup for our 36 year old starter. 2 7.14%
3 Tim Tebow would've been the perfect backup to Peyton. 5 17.86%
4 Brock Osweiler would've been around at one of our later picks. 9 32.14%
5 We should have drafted some other quarterback. 5 17.86%
6 We didn't need to draft a backup quarterback: Caleb Hanie! 5 17.86%
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Old 05-02-2012, 03:20 PM   #1
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Why do you hate the Osweiler pick? As best I can figure, you must hold one of these beliefs:

1. The Broncos should have never signed Peyton Manning. Tebow gives us the best chance to win.

2. We don't need a backup quarterback for our 36 year old starter who missed all of last season with a neck injury.

3. Tim Tebow would've been the perfect backup to Peyton, especially when you consider how much the current coaching staff loved him for the job!

4. Brock Osweiler would've been around at one of our later picks, because some guy at walter football or nfldraftcountdown.com said so.

5. We should have drafted some other quarterback; clearly taking the one that our entire front office thought was the best fit was a bad call.

6. We didn't need to draft a backup quarterback, we signed future all-pro Caleb Hanie!

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Old 05-02-2012, 03:25 PM   #2
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Why do you hate the Osweiller pick? As best I can figure, you must hold one of these beliefs:

1. The Broncos should have never signed Peyton Manning. Tebow gives us the best chance to win.

2. We don't need a backup quarterback for our 36 year old starter who missed all of last season with a neck injury.

3. Tim Tebow would've been the perfect backup to Peyton, especially when you consider how much the current coaching staff loved him for the job!

4. Brock Osweiler would've been around at one of our later picks, because some guy at walter football or nfldraftcountdown.com said so.

5. We should have drafted some other quarterback; clearly taking the one that our entire front office thought was the best fit was a bad call.

6. We didn't need to draft a backup quarterback, we signed future all-pro Caleb Hanie!
none of the above. why do you assume the Broncos franchise MUST have Brock Osweiler as their QBOTF or the future of the franchise is in jeopardy?

the pick was a reach. both where he was taken and why he was taken.

if we really are on Plan A and there is no Plan B, then EVERY move, EVERY SINGLE move for the next 2-4 years must be made to pursue one outcome and only one outcome, to win 1 or more SB titles with Peyton Manning. picking Brock in the 2nd doesn't help us do that. not even the slightest amount.

that's why the whole football world outside of Dove Valley scratched their heads over this pick.
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Old 05-02-2012, 03:27 PM   #3
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Why do you hate the Osweiller pick? As best I can figure, you must hold one of these beliefs:

1. The Broncos should have never signed Peyton Manning. Tebow gives us the best chance to win.

2. We don't need a backup quarterback for our 36 year old starter who missed all of last season with a neck injury.

3. Tim Tebow would've been the perfect backup to Peyton, especially when you consider how much the current coaching staff loved him for the job!

4. Brock Osweiler would've been around at one of our later picks, because some guy at walter football or nfldraftcountdown.com said so.

5. We should have drafted some other quarterback; clearly taking the one that our entire front office thought was the best fit was a bad call.

6. We didn't need to draft a backup quarterback, we signed future all-pro Caleb Hanie!
Wow, 6 straw men in one post. Good Job!
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its rooted in tebow,1st they get PM & the hope was TT could develop under him.only to see tebow get traded. then they draft a QB in the 2nd rd leaving tebowites wondering why would they make the effort to develop oswieler and not tebow.
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The symbiotic relationship between Osweiler and the Broncos is a perfect fit. We get a godo value on a project QB, and he doesn't have to start right away.

Next year's draft class is weak and in two years it is unknown when we will pick, or who will be available.

It was a smart pick.
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i don't hate the pick. i think it is smart to have a guy in waiting. while i am extremely optimistic about Peyton's neck and think he will be fine for a few years it is smart to bee prepared should he not last that long.

look at the Colts without Peyton. they continually drafted no talent guys late in the draft or undrafted guys and when Peyton went down none could step up and get the job done. With Osweiler we have a guy with at least some ability and talent who can learn and be ready should disaster strike or take over when the time is right.
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The symbiotic relationship between Osweiler and the Broncos is a perfect fit. We get a godo value on a project QB, and he doesn't have to start right away.

Next year's draft class is weak and in two years it is unknown when we will pick, or who will be available.

It was a smart pick.
All of this.

I wasn't wild about the pick, but I'm not wildly against it, either. Nice to have a talented thrower waiting and hopefully learning behind Manning.
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Why do you hate the Osweiller pick? As best I can figure, you must hold one of these beliefs:

1. The Broncos should have never signed Peyton Manning. Tebow gives us the best chance to win.

2. We don't need a backup quarterback for our 36 year old starter who missed all of last season with a neck injury.

3. Tim Tebow would've been the perfect backup to Peyton, especially when you consider how much the current coaching staff loved him for the job!

4. Brock Osweiler would've been around at one of our later picks, because some guy at walter football or nfldraftcountdown.com said so.

5. We should have drafted some other quarterback; clearly taking the one that our entire front office thought was the best fit was a bad call.

6. We didn't need to draft a backup quarterback, we signed future all-pro Caleb Hanie!
If you want any one to respond with their honest reasons for disliking the pick you probably shouldn't be so snarky with your options. You are making it very clear that you just want to start an argument and have no real interest in points of view other than your own.
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none of the above. why do you assume the Broncos franchise MUST have Brock Osweiler as their QBOTF or the future of the franchise is in jeopardy?

the pick was a reach. both where he was taken and why he was taken.

if we really are on Plan A and there is no Plan B, then EVERY move, EVERY SINGLE move for the next 2-4 years must be made to pursue one outcome and only one outcome, to win 1 or more SB titles with Peyton Manning. picking Brock in the 2nd doesn't help us do that. not even the slightest amount.

that's why the whole football world outside of Dove Valley scratched their heads over this pick.
while the general idea is to go all in now, it is smart that at least on some level they are also looking at the future. i mean look at the Cowboys since the early 90s. they were all in then, and once those older guys began retiring, left for money elsewhere, or injuries forced them out, they still haven't ound their way back to even a little bit of postseason success.

just because we have a small window with Peyton doesn't mean the frachise should say **** the next decade once Peyton hangs it up.
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while the general idea is to go all in now, it is smart that at least on some level they are also looking at the future. i mean look at the Cowboys since the early 90s. they were all in then, and once those older guys began retiring, left for money elsewhere, or injuries forced them out, they still haven't ound their way back to even a little bit of postseason success.

just because we have a small window with Peyton doesn't mean the frachise should say **** the next decade once Peyton hangs it up.
Based on our current roster the only possible way we win a Super Bowl before Manning retires is to basically do just that.
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its rooted in tebow,1st they get PM & the hope was TT could develop under him.only to see tebow get traded. then they draft a QB in the 2nd rd leaving tebowites wondering why would they make the effort to develop oswieler and not tebow.
Tebow's media frenzy is what ended it for him. had he just been a below average passer with a lot of upside without the insane fanbase, i doubt the team would have traded him. he would have probably remained to learn by watching Manning. and with Osweiler for the most part he can hit every NFL throw already, it is just an issue of prepping him mentally and getting him ready for the NFL.

there is a big difference between a QB who couldn't hit sand if he fell off a camel and a young inexperienced QB who has all the physical attributes and ability you would want in a QB.
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none of the above.
Huh. Let's see about that.

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why do you assume the Broncos franchise MUST have Brock Osweiler as their QBOTF or the future of the franchise is in jeopardy?
So that sounds like either 2 or a combination of multiple options. Either "We don't need a backup with talent" or "it should have been someone else".

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if we really are on Plan A and there is no Plan B, then EVERY move, EVERY SINGLE move for the next 2-4 years must be made to pursue one outcome and only one outcome, to win 1 or more SB titles with Peyton Manning. picking Brock in the 2nd doesn't help us do that. not even the slightest amount.
Taking Brock doesn't help us in the slightest? That means Osweiler fills no hole on this roster. So, again, either 2, 5, or 6.

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that's why the whole football world outside of Dove Valley scratched their heads over this pick.
The "whole football world" ? Can you point to some evidence that the consensus of people with a coaching or front office job in the NFL who hold this opinion? Or does "whole football world" mean "people on cable networks and the internet"? (See option 4).

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Based on our current roster the only possible way we win a Super Bowl before Manning retires is to basically do just that.
if that were true, Peyton wouldn't have chosen Denver to finish his career.

there is talent on the roster. the defense last year was vastly improved over years prior. we added another elite defensive mind to the staff in Del Rio. we added major weaponry to the TE position, our young receiving duo is another year more experienced and for the 1st time in their careers have a great QB throwing them the ball. this is a team that with a QB who couldn't pass the ball last season won its division and a playoff game. this team is ready to kick some ass with its new leader.
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If you want any one to respond with their honest reasons for disliking the pick you probably shouldn't be so snarky with your options. You are making it very clear that you just want to start an argument and have no real interest in points of view other than your own.
If you have an opinion other than one of the listed options, you're welcome to post it!
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Huh. Let's see about that.



So that sounds like either 2 or a combination of multiple options. Either "We don't need a backup with talent" or "it should have been someone else".



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2, 5, or 6



Taking Brock doesn't help us in the slightest? That means Osweiller fills no hole on this roster. So, again, either 2, 5, or 6.



The "whole football world" ? Can you point to some evidence that the consensus of people with a coaching or front office job in the NFL who hold this opinion? Or does "whole football world" mean "people on cable networks and the internet"? (See option 4).
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Based on our current roster the only possible way we win a Super Bowl before Manning retires is to basically do just that.
You're stating this as if its an objective fact. Clearly John Elway, John Fox, and the rest of the Broncos front office disagree with you. Their goal is to win the super bowl. Their job is to win the super bowl. They seem to think this move helped bring them closer to that goal.

If you want to make a reasoned argument for why the Broncos current roster can only compete for a super bowl by spending the 57th pick in this draft on someone other than Brock Osweiler, I'm all ears.

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Tebow's media frenzy is what ended it for him. had he just been a below average passer with a lot of upside without the insane fanbase, i doubt the team would have traded him. he would have probably remained to learn by watching Manning. and with Osweiler for the most part he can hit every NFL throw already, it is just an issue of prepping him mentally and getting him ready for the NFL.

there is a big difference between a QB who couldn't hit sand if he fell off a camel and a young inexperienced QB who has all the physical attributes and ability you would want in a QB.
Galt had a post today that really put it in perspective for me.

Elway was pissed because Tebow represented someone succeeding in spite of what he thought, and the fanbase appeared, for a short time, to know more about what was good for the Broncos than he did.

The billboard fiasco, and him being forced to cave to the pressure that his own failed decision placed on him put a dent in the old alpha dog ego, and he sees this as his chance to reassert his status.

But to do it, he had to set up championship-level expectations. If he fails to deliver or come very close, he'll probably never recover.
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Learning from Manning is all on Osweiler. Manning isn't going to go out of his way to help Ozzy.

Elway will likely work with him, and I have a feeling that he'll be in contact with Mazzone when he isn't allowed to be in contact with Elway.

It's going to be more a matter of Osweiler copying Manning - how he prepares, how he practices, how he carries himself. Being around people can catalyze this kind of development. If I'm Osweiler, I'm interning behind Manning - "Man, can I get you some coffee... here, let me carry your pads." This can pay dividends for him.

The Broncos are in a perfect situation to draft a project QB, and that's exactly with Ozzy is. He's also 21 - so he'll only be 24 taking over if Peyton plays three more years. Tebow will be 25 by the time the season starts.
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You're stating this as if its an objective fact. Clearly John Elway, John Fox, and the rest of the Broncos front office disagree with you. Their goal is to win the super bowl. Their job is to win the super bowl. They seem to think this move helped bring them closer to that goal.
Yes, they brought in Peyton Manning and paid him more than any other QB to try to win a Super Bowl.

Now explain how Brock Osweiler, instead of say, someone who could actually be on the field at the same time as Peyton Manning, brings us closer to that objective...
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Yes, they brought in Peyton Manning and paid him more than any other QB to try to win a Super Bowl.

Now explain how Brock Osweiler, instead of say, someone who could actually be on the field at the same time as Peyton Manning, brings us closer to that objective...
Because he's not Caleb Hanie.

And if, at the end of the year, the difference between our roster and a super bowl champion roster is one player that any orange maners wanted at #57 instead of Brock, I'll still have to consider the season an overwhelming success.
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I don't hate the pick. I'm actually excited about Osweiler's young age, talent level and ability to progress. I just thought if the Broncos were interested in winning now, they would have used their efforts @ 57 on another offensive / defensive position. Then again, we do not know how long Manning will last or be on the team -- so it isn't necessarily a bad idea to get an investment in a QBOTF. If Osweiler can do the Aaron Rodgers, learn the ropes type move, great for us.

Hopefully Wolfe, Osweiler and Hillman will be awesome for us!
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the pick was a reach. both where he was taken and why he was taken.
dude was rated low 1st high, 2nd round grade.

you guys need to realize the tebow is gone, hanie sucks, and peyton isn't getting any younger

i hated the pick at the time tbh, but it makes sense.
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Because he's not Caleb Hanie.

And if, at the end of the year, the difference between our roster and a super bowl champion roster is one player that any orange maners wanted at #57 instead of Brock, I'll still have to consider the season an overwhelming success.
Sorry, but if you expect Brock Osweiler at 21 years old out of a college spread offense to step into Peyton Manning's offense and win games, you're kidding yourself.

The only upside of Brock comes after Manning is done. Until then, all he did was take a draft pick off the field.
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Galt had a post today that really put it in perspective for me.

Elway was pissed because Tebow represented someone succeeding in spite of what he thought, and the fanbase appeared, for a short time, to know more about what was good for the Broncos than he did.

The billboard fiasco, and him being forced to cave to the pressure that his own failed decision placed on him put a dent in the old alpha dog ego, and he sees this as his chance to reassert his status.

But to do it, he had to set up championship-level expectations. If he fails to deliver or come very close, he'll probably never recover.
that is an interesting way to think about it.

but when i think about anything with Elway, he would need to **** up on an epic level in his new role to really tarnish his legacy in Denver; and not seeing Tim as a lightning rod type for the team and then trading him isn't big enough to damage John's status amongst the true Broncos fans who saw him play and carry a franchise. it is the fans of Tebow, who were never true Broncos fans, whose opinion of John has dropped significantly
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I love Brock as a player.

As a Bronco with Manning as the #1, I'm not thrilled with it... and there's 100 million reasons backing that POV. Our roster is still talent deficient and we absolutely could've used another guy to potentially start or at minimum be a valuable role player.

My main contention with it, and fingers crossed here, by the time Brock gets a chance to really play, there'll be a new flavor of the month QB we've replaced him with.
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