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Old 04-30-2012, 01:03 PM   #1
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I had been under the assumption that Wolfe would play at DT, for a likely base alignment of Dumervil, Wolfe, Warren, Ayers. Then on third down move everyone all over the place with Miller thrown in for havoc.

Then I read a DP article suggesting that Wolfe would play end on run downs and rush from the DT spot on third (basically exactly Ayers spot last year). The overall point of the article was that Ayers might be on his way out, but this doesn't make very much sense to me in terms of getting the probable four best DL on the field. I thought Ayers was solid, if unspectacular, last year and played better toward the end of the season. He's a disappointment, to be sure, given where he was drafted, but seemed like a solid starter to me and certainly better than the scrubs they will likely be able to field at DT if Wolfe plays at end.

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Taking Ayers off the field would be a huge mistake. Ayers, Warren, Wolfe, and Doom should be the base DL.

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I think that's a bad idea because Ayers is a good run-stopping DE.

I like him at UT most of the time.
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Taking Ayers off the field would be a huge mistake. Ayers, Warren, Wolfe, and Miller should be the base DL.
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I would not count Ayers out yet. Warren has not seen playing time in 2 years... No gaurantee he will ever make it back. At that point Wolfe will be playing UT while Ayers stays at DE.
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Better thread title ....... "Where the white DT's at"
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:14 PM   #9
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I seriously doubt them picking Wolfe has any direct impact on Ayers. They are completely different players who fit completely different roles. I could see them both lining up at DT in obvious passing situations, but they won't be in direct competition with each other at all. And Ayers came on strong late last season, so I really don't think he's in any danger of losing his job in general. If they wanted to replace Ayers they would've drafted a true LE, not a smallish DT.
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Doom/Jackson (DE), Warren/Bannan (NT), Wolfe/Ayers (UT), Ayers/Jackson (DE), would be my guess, or some variation thereof.
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Doom/Jackson (DE), Warren/Bannan (NT), Wolfe/Ayers (UT), Ayers/Jackson (DE), would be my guess, or some variation thereof.
I think they'll play him in both NT and UT positions to see which one hes comfortable with then work from there
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OK--I'm not crazy. The story didn't make any sense to me. Of course the DP is trying hard to sell this idea that this draft is making up for the mistakes of Moreno and Ayers. The thing is Ayers isn't that big a mistake.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:28 PM   #13
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Doom/Jackson (DE), Warren/Bannan (NT), Wolfe/Ayers (UT), Ayers/Jackson (DE), would be my guess, or some variation thereof.
I would think it's
RDE- Doom/Hunter/Beal
NT- Warren/Bannan
UT- Wolfe/Vickerson
LDE- Ayers/Jackson

That's pretty impressive line-up if they stay healthy and live up to expectations.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:30 PM   #14
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I had been under the assumption that Wolfe would play at DT, for a likely base alignment of Dumervil, Wolfe, Warren, Ayers. Then on third down move everyone all over the place with Miller thrown in for havoc.

Then I read a DP article suggesting that Wolfe would play end on run downs and rush from the DT spot on third (basically exactly Ayers spot last year). The overall point of the article was that Ayers might be on his way out, but this doesn't make very much sense to me in terms of getting the probable four best DL on the field. I thought Ayers was solid, if unspectacular, last year and played better toward the end of the season. He's a disappointment, to be sure, given where he was drafted, but seemed like a solid starter to me and certainly better than the scrubs they will likely be able to field at DT if Wolfe plays at end.

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are you talking about the Klis article?

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...009-2012-draft

knowing Klis, this article is mostly BS.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:35 PM   #16
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I would think it's
RDE- Doom/Hunter/Beal
NT- Warren/Bannan
UT- Wolfe/Vickerson
LDE- Ayers/Jackson

That's pretty impressive line-up if they stay healthy and live up to expectations.
What's "pretty impressive" about it? The only player on that list who is genuinely good is Dumervil. Outside of Wolfe, the rest are average to terrible, and who knows how good Wolfe will be.
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are you talking about the Klis article?

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...009-2012-draft

knowing Klis, this article is mostly BS.
Actually it was this one: http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...brock-osweiler

Which says the following:

Ayers, Moreno fighting for jobs.
The Broncos' 2012 draft sent a direct message to the Broncos' top picks in their 2009 draft: Potential doesn't count anymore.
Running back Knowshon Moreno, the No. 12 pick in 2009, was pushed down the depth chart after his team selected speedster Ronnie Hillman early in the third round Friday. Defensive end/tackle Robert Ayers, the No. 18 pick in 2009, may lose his starting position to Derek Wolfe, who was the Broncos' second-round pick Friday. Ayers may now also have to compete with freshly drafted Malik Jackson for a backup role.
Jackson, who like Ayers played at the University of Tennessee, was selected by the Broncos in the fifth round Saturday.
In Fox's 4-3 system last season, Ayers played defensive end on first and second downs, then slid inside to tackle in pass situations. The plan for Wolfe is to start at defensive end on rush downs and pass rush from the tackle spot
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What's "pretty impressive" about it? The only player on that list who is genuinely good is Dumervil. Outside of Wolfe, the rest are average to terrible, and who knows how good Wolfe will be.
you're such a breath of fresh air

and by breath of fresh air of course I mean, complete douchebag
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:58 PM   #19
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Why not line up Wolfe, Warren, Bannan and Ayers on obvious run downs? Let Doom rest up to rush the passer, slide Ayers and Wolfe inside on pass downs.
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and by breath of fresh air of course I mean, complete douchebag
Someone appears to have an aversion to reality...
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Why not line up Wolfe, Warren, Bannan and Ayers on obvious run downs? Let Doom rest up to rush the passer, slide Ayers and Wolfe inside on pass downs.
Because then you are making it far, far too easy to pass on 1st and 2nd down.
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Actually it was this one: http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...brock-osweiler

Which says the following:

Ayers, Moreno fighting for jobs.
The Broncos' 2012 draft sent a direct message to the Broncos' top picks in their 2009 draft: Potential doesn't count anymore.
Running back Knowshon Moreno, the No. 12 pick in 2009, was pushed down the depth chart after his team selected speedster Ronnie Hillman early in the third round Friday. Defensive end/tackle Robert Ayers, the No. 18 pick in 2009, may lose his starting position to Derek Wolfe, who was the Broncos' second-round pick Friday. Ayers may now also have to compete with freshly drafted Malik Jackson for a backup role.
Jackson, who like Ayers played at the University of Tennessee, was selected by the Broncos in the fifth round Saturday.
In Fox's 4-3 system last season, Ayers played defensive end on first and second downs, then slid inside to tackle in pass situations. The plan for Wolfe is to start at defensive end on rush downs and pass rush from the tackle spot
I'll believe it when I see it, and when I see it I'll only laugh. Wolfe has absolutely no business playing DE in a 4-3.
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Old 04-30-2012, 02:18 PM   #23
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Actually it was this one: http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...brock-osweiler

Which says the following:

Ayers, Moreno fighting for jobs.
The Broncos' 2012 draft sent a direct message to the Broncos' top picks in their 2009 draft: Potential doesn't count anymore.
Running back Knowshon Moreno, the No. 12 pick in 2009, was pushed down the depth chart after his team selected speedster Ronnie Hillman early in the third round Friday. Defensive end/tackle Robert Ayers, the No. 18 pick in 2009, may lose his starting position to Derek Wolfe, who was the Broncos' second-round pick Friday. Ayers may now also have to compete with freshly drafted Malik Jackson for a backup role.
Jackson, who like Ayers played at the University of Tennessee, was selected by the Broncos in the fifth round Saturday.
In Fox's 4-3 system last season, Ayers played defensive end on first and second downs, then slid inside to tackle in pass situations. The plan for Wolfe is to start at defensive end on rush downs and pass rush from the tackle spot
With this I hope that if they do use him as DE on running downs, its more to rest Doom and Ayers, not replace Ayers. Ayers is good enough to play, he is one of the top 4 DL on this team, if not top 3 imo. If he was a 3rd or 4th round pick, and wasn't picked by McD, would everyone still hate him? Who cares where he is drafted if he can still help this team.

Same goes for Moreno. He's on the team and can do some things to help this team. Until there are 4 RB on the roster better than him (which imo there is not right now) why not use the skills he has to help rather than be upset about what he can't.

That being said how bad was that draft. I like Ayers, but everything else was a complete fail. Moreno is decent, but is not a feature back and Bruton is the only one left on the team and is a ST is all. Hopefully EFX's drafts resemble 2006 more than the 2010 draft.
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RDE - Dumervil/Hunter
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I don't remember very well, because I didn't know as much about DL positions when I was younger, but didn't Shanahan try moving Trevor Pryce to DE? If so, how did that turn out?
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