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Old 04-30-2012, 07:06 AM   #1
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Default Article: Kiper stands by UC's Wolfe

For all you b****ing about the derek wolfe selection, trading down to get him, where we selected him, how we selected him, and everything else in between, here is a nice article before the draft about Kiper hyping up Wolfe as a first round pick.



Draft analyst says data, performance adds up to a possible 1st-round selection


Mel Kiper Jr. surprised some when he put UC defensive lineman Derek Wolfe down as a first-round pick, going to New England at 31. During a teleconference last week, the ESPN draft analyst gave a three-minute explanation why.

Kiper’s two major points were that when you compare Wolfe’s productivity against the other defensive tackles in this class, Wolfe has a huge advantage. He also pointed to Wolfe’s combine performance where at 6-foot-5, 295 pounds, Wolfe ran the 40 in 4.94 seconds and did a 33½-inch vertical jump.

“You say, well they’re just numbers, but you’re testing the athletic ability, you’re testing the explosiveness, the quickness, and you’re also testing to see how they stack up against all the other guys in all those categories,” Kiper said. “Now, in terms of the overall ability of a guy, if you want to talk about the elite defensive tackles, is he Dontari Poe?, no, but is he tremendously more productive than Poe was? Sure he was.”

On Kiper’s point about productivity, there are few who could compare to Wolfe. Wolfe is fifth among defensive tackles on Kiper’s board after having 70 tackles, 21.5 tackles for loss and 9.5 sacks last season. Of the four in front of Wolfe, the only one who remotely comes close on tackles for loss is Mississippi State’s Fletcher Cox, who had 14.5 among his 56 stops.

“Wolfe was behind the line of scrimmage wreaking havoc, he showed pass rush ability. You’ve got to love the fact that when you look back in his career, a rough, tough aggressive player,” Kiper said. “The production – the computer numbers match the production and vice versa.”

Kiper also likes Wolfe’s versatility. Should he land in a 3-4 scheme, Wolfe could be a defensive end. While Kiper is effusive in his praise, NFL Network’s Mike Mayock was a little more reserved, saying Wolfe is a late second or early third-round player. If both are right though, Wolfe should be off the board by the end of Friday night (Day 2).

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...r%7Ctext%7CSPT
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Old 04-30-2012, 07:09 AM   #2
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I am personally very excited to see this kid play, loved the pick.

Hungry like the Wolfe mother****ers
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I still think it's funny that NFL.com put a grade of less than 50 on him.....which means he should have been a UDFA.

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We have Fox and Del Rio. I really don't see why anyone would question any defensive picks. I think they know what they are looking for.
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Pass rushing DT... I take it
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He was my favorite of the DT's other than Cox and now that he's ours.... **** Cox Wolfe is way better!
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We have Fox and Del Rio. I really don't see why anyone would question any defensive picks. I think they know what they are looking for.
Sarcasm?
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We have Fox and Del Rio. I really don't see why anyone would question any defensive picks. I think they know what they are looking for.
^THIS.

Any of you wondering why we traded down should simply remember who wanted Wolfe and why.
Also, look at where all those other DTs ended up being taken. So many of us had BThomson and Still and Ta'amu as late 1st, early 2nd round player and look where they went. It seems that there was a reason they ended up going much later that projected.
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You mean that jerk in Baltimore?

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not really worried about picking knocking the pick, i wanna see him produce and develop. if he does what was said is moot as he'll be a starting DT who can penetrate.
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If the Patriots, Steelers or the Ravens picked this guy, would anyone be as skeptical?
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:46 AM   #12
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If the Patriots, Steelers or the Ravens picked this guy, would anyone be as skeptical?
I would. I graduated from UC, and follow the team and the program fairly closely (compared to other teams not named Michigan State). Suffice it to say that I will be pleasantly surprised if he turns out to be more than a rotational guy for us.
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Wow, I didn't see the 70 tackles last year, that is pretty incredible. It seems like most of our D-tackles usually average about 40-50 per year, 70 is major production.
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If the Patriots, Steelers or the Ravens picked this guy, would anyone be as skeptical?
The Donks have brought the skepticism on themselves.

I personally like the pick, but it's not hard to reason out why some might question the Donks' logic in making the pick whereas they might give the other teams mentioned a free pass. They're perennially stout. The good guys aren't.
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Five different experts would give five different top five DT rankings... it was anybody's guess on who is really the best...

Mcshea had wolfe graded low and kiper had him as a first rd grade... who knows?...

When it comes to DT there was clearly no concensus so i dont see why people question
this pick...
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The Donks have brought the skepticism on themselves.
How?...

Elways draft last year netted three starters...

Elways team won the afc west...

Elway landed the biggest free agent ever in the offseason...

In his short time span i'd say he has sort of earned the benefit of the doubt for now at least...
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Dude. You've been posting here for 7 years. Have you not been paying attention?
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:09 AM   #19
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I would. I graduated from UC, and follow the team and the program fairly closely (compared to other teams not named Michigan State). Suffice it to say that I will be pleasantly surprised if he turns out to be more than a rotational guy for us.
So you follow the program closely. Obviously saw his production.

What don't you like about the kid that JDR and Fox are missing?
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i hope he pans out. but Cincinatti plays who again?
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I would. I graduated from UC, and follow the team and the program fairly closely (compared to other teams not named Michigan State). Suffice it to say that I will be pleasantly surprised if he turns out to be more than a rotational guy for us.
but you wanted Jerel Worthy in the first round? ok that makes no sense. his motor and compete level is better than Worthy.
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Wait, we like Kiper now? It's hard to keep track.
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How?...

Elways draft last year netted three starters...

Elways team won the afc west...

Elway landed the biggest free agent ever in the offseason...

In his short time span i'd say he has sort of earned the benefit of the doubt for now at least...
I thought I was clear. The teams that Kaylore mentioned...especially Pittsburgh and Baltimore are always tough up front. The Broncos on the other hand have been picking busts for years and years. So obviously people are going to be more confident in a player on the d-line when the other teams draft him. They draft studs. The Donks pick scrubs. It's as simple as that.

The skepticism will ease when Denver's d-line ceases to be dragged up and down the field all day.

I like the Wolfe pick, but it's easy for me to understand why some would look at the Donks making the pick with a raised brow...whereas if the Ravens took him the obligatory patting of Newsome's pack would ensue. It's really not very complicated.
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I love the pick!!! I have been screaming at the TV for our lack of ability to put pressure up the middle!!! I can feel he will turn up a really good player.

On another note... everything Kipper says, I take with a grain of salt. Remember... he once compared Jabba the Russel to Elway.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:22 AM   #25
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Dude. You've been posting here for 7 years. Have you not been paying attention?
True, you'd think by now i would know better...
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