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Old 04-29-2012, 03:19 PM   #1
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It seems to me Denver is much more concerned about rushing the passer than stopping the run. Wolfe is very much a pass rusher that will play DE on running downs and then move to DT on passing downs. I believe Denver's Malik Jackson who played a lot of DT in college, even though he weighs 285lbs will also be looked at DT on passing downs. So on passing downs Denver's starting DL will could look like this Ayers, Wolfe, Jackson, Dumerville. This strategy of moving DEs to DTs on passing downs is what the N.Y. Giants do and they have one of the best pass rushes in the NFL.

I believe Elway really likes Osweiler. People say they should have just gotten a project QB in the 4th. Well, Osweiler would not have been their in the 4th. I think Elway looks at him and said to himself that he loves his arm, smarts, enthusiasm, mobility and size. I think John Elway thinks he has all the physical tools he just needs time to develop and could be a great QB. If this is the case how can you argue them selecting him?

They feel comfortable with Willis McGhee at RB. Denver passed on RBs that could have challenged him. Instead they drafted a RB that will challenge Moreno for a roster spot. I thought Moreno could have found a role in this offense but now it may be hard for him to make the team.

What did Denver's draft tell you?

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Old 04-29-2012, 03:21 PM   #2
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told me that alot of people on here think they know more than the FO does when it comes to running a team....but I guess it's only fair....afterall i'm sure Elway or Fox think they can work the drive-thru window as well as these clowns can.



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Did you see the last game Denver played in? Of course they are concerned with passing the rusher.
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Malik Jackson is 285 and he spent most of his time at Tennessee playing DT.
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Old 04-29-2012, 03:24 PM   #5
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Malik Jackson is 285 and he spent most of his time at Tennessee playing DT.
Yeah, that is a typo, I'll change it. I stated that he played DT at Tennessee and he will play that in Denver even though he only weighs 285. Denver will be going smaller at DT on passing downs to get more push in the middle.
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Jackson is a lot better pass rusher than folks realize. I can see him taking Ayers place at DT on nickel downs. Doom, Wolfe, Jackson, and Miller will wreak some havok on 3rd and longs.
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Jackson is a lot better pass rusher than folks realize. I can see him taking Ayers place at DT on nickel downs. Doom, Wolfe, Jackson, and Miller will wreak some havok on 3rd and longs.
Miller is a LBer who would be the other DT, Ayers?
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While possible, I doubt Wolfe ever plays DE for us unless we're giving a 34 look. He's going to play 3 tech and slide to NT on passing downs.

Malik Jackson is ticketed for Power End if he makes the team and just provides some depth if Ayers gets dinged up. If Ayers is injured, Jackson could very well continue Ayers' role and slide inside to 3 tech for nickel looks while Wolfe goes to NT, and Miller moves to DE.


Overall, the draft told me EFX feels the team is ready to compete now and we mostly drafted to fill in depth in the event of injuries. I think Wolfe is the only starter we got.
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Miller is a LBer who would be the other DT, Ayers?
Miller plays DE on passing downs.
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People say they should have just gotten a project QB in the 4th. Well, Osweiler would not have been their in the 4th.
I don't understand how critics can say the Osweiler pick was a reach?

Do they realize that Robert Griffin III, who has his share of faults, was acquired for 3 1sts and a 2nd?

Do they realize Ryan Tannehill, a project QB, was selected by the Miami Dolphins with the 8th overall pick?

Do they understand Brandon Weeden, a 28-year-old that is already close to his ceiling, went to the Browns at 22nd overall?

And a midget (Russell Wilson) and a Kyle Orton clone (Nick Foles) were taken in the 3rd round!

Considering what teams were paying for QBs in this draft, the Broncos got a good deal with Osweiler.
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While possible, I doubt Wolfe ever plays DE for us unless we're giving a 34 look. He's going to play 3 tech and slide to NT on passing downs.

Malik Jackson is ticketed for Power End if he makes the team and just provides some depth if Ayers gets dinged up. If Ayers is injured, Jackson could very well continue Ayers' role and slide inside to 3 tech for nickel looks while Wolfe goes to NT, and Miller moves to DE.


Overall, the draft told me EFX feels the team is ready to compete now and we mostly drafted to fill in depth in the event of injuries. I think Wolfe is the only starter we got.
I suspect it will be jackson at LDE wolfe at DT bannon DT & dumervile at RDE
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While possible, I doubt Wolfe ever plays DE for us unless we're giving a 34 look. He's going to play 3 tech and slide to NT on passing downs.

Malik Jackson is ticketed for Power End if he makes the team and just provides some depth if Ayers gets dinged up. If Ayers is injured, Jackson could very well continue Ayers' role and slide inside to 3 tech for nickel looks while Wolfe goes to NT, and Miller moves to DE.


Overall, the draft told me EFX feels the team is ready to compete now and we mostly drafted to fill in depth in the event of injuries. I think Wolfe is the only starter we got.
What's your take on Philip Blake and Ronnie Hillman? I think both could end up starting sometime this next year. If Hillman can learn to pass protect, do you think he could be our #1, or do you think he's merely a change of pace rotational running back?
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While possible, I doubt Wolfe ever plays DE for us unless we're giving a 34 look. He's going to play 3 tech and slide to NT on passing downs.

Malik Jackson is ticketed for Power End if he makes the team and just provides some depth if Ayers gets dinged up. If Ayers is injured, Jackson could very well continue Ayers' role and slide inside to 3 tech for nickel looks while Wolfe goes to NT, and Miller moves to DE.


Overall, the draft told me EFX feels the team is ready to compete now and we mostly drafted to fill in depth in the event of injuries. I think Wolfe is the only starter we got.
Yesterday....somewhere....at sometime, I read that the Broncos planned to use him as a DE and moving him inside on passing downs. Can't recall who wrote that.
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I don't understand how critics can say the Osweiler pick was a reach?

Do they realize that Robert Griffin III, who has his share of faults, was acquired for 3 1sts and a 2nd?

Do they realize Ryan Tannehill, a project QB, was selected by the Miami Dolphins with the 8th overall pick?

Do they understand Brandon Weeden, a 28-year-old that is already close to his ceiling, went to the Browns at 22nd overall?

And a midget (Russell Wilson) and a Kyle Orton clone (Nick Foles) were taken in the 3rd round!

Considering what teams were paying for QBs in this draft, the Broncos got a good deal with Osweiler.
Welcome aboard...

since it's your first time on here let's catch you up to the mindset of alot of these guys...

Tebow is God, and don't you dare criticize him and alot of the criticisms aimed towards Osweiler (in my opinion) are by many of the same clowns that are still butthurt he's no longer on the Broncos....and because of that butthurt they'll all claim that :

Elway sucks as a VP, and does nothing but draft players his kid keg parties with....

Fox is an idiot who didn't realize what he had in our last starting QB, and runs an offense that makes his D look good...

We over paid for Manning after years of people b****ing Bowlen wouldn't open his wallet...oh, and he's destined to end up a paraplegic playing behind our OL

Welcome to the mane where many posters are geniuses that can run or coach an NFL team better than EFX can, but can't seem to put hot fries in your drive thru bag.....
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Old 04-29-2012, 03:58 PM   #15
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What's your take on Philip Blake and Ronnie Hillman? I think both could end up starting sometime this next year. If Hillman can learn to pass protect, do you think he could be our #1, or do you think he's merely a change of pace rotational running back?
Blake is an ideal interior swing lineman that allows us to cut Manny Ramirez. He can push Walton, but I suspect EFX hopes he just settles in as a top shelf reserve because Walton can't back up OG if he gets beat out and becomes somewhat worthless.

Hillman, being only 20, I think can grow into his body exactly like DeAngelo Williams did. I think he's our long term starter, but like DeAngelo, he's a part time player until he fills out. I suspect he can get up to the 210-215 range in a few years while working on his blocking, and can really be a dynamic threat. In the meantime, just change of pace.
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I don't understand how critics can say the Osweiler pick was a reach?

Do they realize that Robert Griffin III, who has his share of faults, was acquired for 3 1sts and a 2nd?

Do they realize Ryan Tannehill, a project QB, was selected by the Miami Dolphins with the 8th overall pick?

Do they understand Brandon Weeden, a 28-year-old that is already close to his ceiling, went to the Browns at 22nd overall?

And a midget (Russell Wilson) and a Kyle Orton clone (Nick Foles) were taken in the 3rd round!

Considering what teams were paying for QBs in this draft, the Broncos got a good deal with Osweiler.
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I suspect it will be jackson at LDE wolfe at DT bannon DT & dumervile at RDE
I am not sure 2 rookies will start on the DL week 1. I can see them getting significant rotation time but would be surprised if they both started.

Plus there is no guarantee that one won't be a bust or struggle to make the team.

If both end up starting we had the best draft ever!
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Love the draft... Don't like the Os pick only because he wont be producing the next years... unless (God please NO!!!) Manning gets hurt. Love the Wolfe pick!!! He will surprise a lot of us and others when he greatly adds that element to our DT rotation that has been missing the last years. Pressure up the middle!!! Can you imagine having the ability of flushing the QB to the edges of the pocket? VonDoom time!!!
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I think Warren will be better then people expect. Yeah people will say he hasn't played in two years but, I think that helped his legs. He should be refreshed with more burst. Just hoping I guess.
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What's your take on Philip Blake and Ronnie Hillman? I think both could end up starting sometime this next year. If Hillman can learn to pass protect, do you think he could be our #1, or do you think he's merely a change of pace rotational running back?
I don't think we're even looking at the idea of a number 1 back at all. Who is the number one back in New Orleans or New England? Who was the number one back in Indy in Peyton's last two years? That's the kind of offense we're going for. We will roll backs in and out based on down, distance, score, and time on the clock.
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Welcome aboard...

since it's your first time on here let's catch you up to the mindset of alot of these guys...

Tebow is God, and don't you dare criticize him and alot of the criticisms aimed towards Osweiler (in my opinion) are by many of the same clowns that are still butthurt he's no longer on the Broncos....and because of that butthurt they'll all claim that :

Elway sucks as a VP, and does nothing but draft players his kid keg parties with....

Fox is an idiot who didn't realize what he had in our last starting QB, and runs an offense that makes his D look good...

We over paid for Manning after years of people b****ing Bowlen wouldn't open his wallet...oh, and he's destined to end up a paraplegic playing behind our OL

Welcome to the mane where many posters are geniuses that can run or coach an NFL team better than EFX can, but can't seem to put hot fries in your drive thru bag.....



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I suspect it will be jackson at LDE wolfe at DT bannon DT & dumervile at RDE
Man, people really love to hate on Ayers. Not like he was the most consistent DL on our team all last season or anything.
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I don't understand how critics can say the Osweiler pick was a reach?

Do they realize that Robert Griffin III, who has his share of faults, was acquired for 3 1sts and a 2nd?

Do they realize Ryan Tannehill, a project QB, was selected by the Miami Dolphins with the 8th overall pick?

Do they understand Brandon Weeden, a 28-year-old that is already close to his ceiling, went to the Browns at 22nd overall?

And a midget (Russell Wilson) and a Kyle Orton clone (Nick Foles) were taken in the 3rd round!

Considering what teams were paying for QBs in this draft, the Broncos got a good deal with Osweiler.
We ride or die with Peyton. Is Osweiler so good our QBOTF project couldn't wait another season? I will say this though, if Peyton goes down Osweiler has 16 games to get Denver into the playoffs and win a playoff game or Errand will demand he get shipped, I know I will. Errand sets a high bar and I salute him for it.
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Man, people really love to hate on Ayers. Not like he was the most consistent DL on our team all last season or anything.
Ayers is solid professional, nothing more or nothing less. But you can understand the desire for some to get a more production (sacks/pressures) out of 18th pick in the draft.

I don't think we need to activity upgrade the spot (RDE), but if right guys shows up in FA or the draft I wouldn't be afraid of adding some competition there.
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I think Warren will be better then people expect. Yeah people will say he hasn't played in two years but, I think that helped his legs. He should be refreshed with more burst. Just hoping I guess.
He better be; he's been resting up for two years.

It's not his skill I doubt it is his ability to stay on the field that I question.
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