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Old 04-17-2012, 10:03 AM   #1
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Default Oh look I found a mock where we draft Peter Konz

http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1_17-32.asp

Devon Still is still available here, but we remain unconvinced he's a good scheme/somatype fit after the Bannan signing, even with McBean being released. Peter Konz represents similar value and would constitute a huge upgrade over J.D. Walton. While I like this pick if the Broncos stand here, I actually find it a great argument for trading back if the option presents itself. There is so much good and comparable talent available here. - Scott Nelson, Drafttek Broncos Analyst
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:17 AM   #2
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I think there is a very high probability that the DT's they have graded as worth #25 are gone when they pick and that they either pick another position or trade down. If they have Konz (or whoever) graded better than Still (or whoever) they should take Konz unless it's really close and you use need as a tiebreaker.
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:30 AM   #3
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They also have a us taking Worthy with our second pick (though they insist it's unlikely they recommend trading up to get him in the 2nd). That would be epic.

http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound2_49-64.asp
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I'm going to have to look at your whole draft now.
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:50 AM   #6
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I was going to post that. I actually thought the OP was about the mock draft.
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1-#25- Peter Konz (C) - All-Pro Center
2-#57- Derek Wolfe (DT) - Best production from a DT in the draft. If not take Jared Crick (DT).
3-#87- Jonathan Stewart (RB) trade. If not, draft Cyrus Gray (RB)
4-#108- Marvin McNutt (WR) - Big target, great hands, decent speed.
4-#120- Ryan Lindley (QB) - Peyton Manning's backup...for now.
5-#137- Levi Adcock (OT) - May eventually start...protected Weeden at OSU.
6-#188- Coty Sensabaugh (CB) - Replace Thompson on the depth chart.
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:43 PM   #8
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I'm all about getting the best O-line possible, and I certainly wouldn't be upset with Konz, but I just feel there will be a lot of "better players" available with the #25 pick. Why not pick a guy who could be a true pass blocking Right Tackle - that's worth a first round pick.

What's wrong with picking up another Center like Molk in rounds 3-4? He won the Rimington award this year for the nations best Center, and is bigger than Konz.

I won't b**** either way, but I would think there is "better value" than Konz at 25. He will be an excellent player, but if we really want him I hope we trade down.
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:52 PM   #9
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Generally, centers are good value picks in the late 1st round range and J.D. Walton has proven to be a liability so far.

Still, Peter Konz lacks the strength and athleticism to warrant a 1st round pick selection. 18 reps at 225? That's ****ing weak.

I like center picks, but I do not like Konz! He will be "K-u-n-t-z" to me if we draft him!
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I guess the argument can be made that Konz is not only the top rated Center coming out in the draft, but I believe he can also play guard.

The knock on him is he is a little tall... 6'5" for a NFL Center.

#25 may be a little high to be drafting Konz.. he is more like a mid-round 2nd round pick.
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I'd like to either draft Konz or trade down.
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I liked how our draft turned out. There were a few guys we had that literally disappeared the pick right in front of us but we both were happy how it turned out. Never reached on anybody for need and felt we got great value on each of the picks. To be honest, I wouldn't be disappointed if our draft looked something like this. If a premier DT is not there at #25, just wait till later. Not a ton of difference down the line after that and it's a deep draft for DT's. Go with BPA at first (Konz could be that guy) and then you can combine BPA and need together. We both thought MLB was a huge weakness on this team and Kendricks is a stud. Followed that up with a great RB, which we need and then filled the depth in with those DT's.

1-25 (25): Denver (Zona/Shanahan) - Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
2-25 (57): Denver (Zona/Shanahan) - Mychal Kendricks, LB, Cal
3-25 (89): Denver (Zona/Shanahan) - Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple
4-25 (123): Denver (Zona/Shanahan) - Jaye Howard, DT, Florida
5-02 (138): Denver (Zona/Shanahan) - Kheeston Randall, DT, Texas
7-25 (235): Denver (Zona/Shanahan) - Thomas Mayo, WR, California (PA)
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Not sure why all the hate for JD.. second year man played all the snaps for those two years, but was surrounded with different guys BEadles, then kuper then not kuper, then someone else then ramerez on the other side lots of changes also finally with beadles most of last year..

and when kuper was there he was also helping out franklin a lot. IIRC kuper was coming back from an ankle surgery last year also the reason we had multiple players there before the season started..

Most great OLs take years to master..

NOw if you want to replace the kid with a VEterans like Saturday, Oh wait he is gone, it is a maybe,,

but imperiling Manning's career behind a rookie center lets hope ttha EFX are smarter than that..
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I guess the argument can be made that Konz is not only the top rated Center coming out in the draft, but I believe he can also play guard.

The knock on him is he is a little tall... 6'5" for a NFL Center.

#25 may be a little high to be drafting Konz.. he is more like a mid-round 2nd round pick.
Most of the mocks I have seen he's gone in the 1st round.
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Thomas Mayo is a boom or bust pick, I think, but his potential was worth that final pick over some offensive lineman I looked at. Dude's 6'2" 200lbs, ran a 4.48 forty and carries a 40" vertical jump. More impressive than that, his stats for his final three years are ridiculous (albeit against weak competition).

Year GP REC YDS YPC TD
2008 11 43 336 7.8 3
2009 11 72 1,368 19.0 11
2010 11 74 1,315 17.8 14
2011 13 79 1,359 17.2 16
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Im down with BPA, but not with Konz, im fine with Walton, he is growing up just fine into that center role.
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Generally, centers are good value picks in the late 1st round range and J.D. Walton has proven to be a liability so far.

Still, Peter Konz lacks the strength and athleticism to warrant a 1st round pick selection. 18 reps at 225? That's ****ing weak.

I like center picks, but I do not like Konz! He will be "K-u-n-t-z" to me if we draft him!
He actually lifted 23 at his Pro Day...

Peter Konz: 23
Maurkice Pouncey: 24
Nick Mangold: 25

Those are the best 3 Center prospects in the last several years. Literally no difference in bench press, and Konz is the most athletic of the three...
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He actually lifted 23 at his Pro Day...

Peter Konz: 23
Maurkice Pouncey: 24
Nick Mangold: 25

Those are the best 3 Center prospects in the last several years. Literally no difference in bench press, and Konz is the most athletic of the three...
Not to mention, he's got pretty long arms
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We aren't picking Konz.
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Not to mention, he's got pretty long arms
Arm Length:
Peter Konz: 33"
Maurkice Pouncey: 32 1/2"
Nick Mangold: 31 7/8"
J.D. Walton: 33 3/8"

Chandler Jones (DE): 36"
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I liked how our draft turned out. There were a few guys we had that literally disappeared the pick right in front of us but we both were happy how it turned out. Never reached on anybody for need and felt we got great value on each of the picks. To be honest, I wouldn't be disappointed if our draft looked something like this. If a premier DT is not there at #25, just wait till later. Not a ton of difference down the line after that and it's a deep draft for DT's. Go with BPA at first (Konz could be that guy) and then you can combine BPA and need together. We both thought MLB was a huge weakness on this team and Kendricks is a stud. Followed that up with a great RB, which we need and then filled the depth in with those DT's.

1-25 (25): Denver (Zona/Shanahan) - Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
2-25 (57): Denver (Zona/Shanahany) - Mychal Kendricks, LB, Cal
3-25 (89): Denver (Zona/Shanahan) - Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple
4-25 (123): Denver (Zona/Shanahan) - Jaye Howard, DT, Florida
5-02 (138): Denver (Zona/Shanahan) - Kheeston Randall, DT, Texas
7-25 (235): Denver (Zona/Shanahan) - Thomas Mayo, WR, California (PA)
You're draft wasn't bad at all. My favorite pick by far is Kendricks at 57. Getting him at 57 is money. He'd easily start MLB over Mays & Irving. I also like your day 3 picks. The only thing I would have changed if the board actually fell that way is you gotta take Fletcher Cox at 25. Then in the third I would have loved Brandon Washington to compete at LG and RT.
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:36 PM   #22
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I actually like drafttek, it changes constantly. Last time they had us with Still. Pretty thorough site though.
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He actually lifted 23 at his Pro Day...

Peter Konz: 23
Maurkice Pouncey: 24
Nick Mangold: 25

Those are the best 3 Center prospects in the last several years. Literally no difference in bench press, and Konz is the most athletic of the three...
Pro days are set up for players to succeed. He lifted 18 when it mattered most. It doesn't eliminate the red flag.

Plus, Konz has a history of ankle issues.
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Pro days are set up for players to succeed. He lifted 18 when it mattered most. It doesn't eliminate the red flag.

Plus, Konz has a history of ankle issues.
Huh? Are you suggesting the bench at his proday was 180?
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Huh? Are you suggesting the bench at his proday was 180?
Could be.

Even if the bench was 225 at his Pro Day, I don't like the fact that Konz could only put up 18 reps when he was in a room full of amped up linemen trying outlift one another. He didn't rise up to the competition. He foiled under pressure. It's easy to perform your best when you are in your comfort zone in Madison, Wisconsin.
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