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Old 04-16-2012, 05:48 AM   #1
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Broncos move back, load up on picks



Apr 26 11:23 PM ET By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com




The Denver Broncos moved out of the first round Thursday night as they twice traded down.

The Broncos know have six picks in the next three rounds. I think we will see Denver try to get a defensive tackle, running back and quarterback on Friday. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Broncos make more trades in the second or third rounds.

I think Denver decided to move down after all the top defensive tackles were taken. It's difficult to argue with that tact.

Among the players Denver could target at No. 36, their top pick Friday are Michigan State defensive tackle Jerel Worthy, Connecticut defensive tackle Kendall Reyes, Georgia Tech receiver Stephen Hill, Cincinnati defensive tackle Derek Wolfe and Nebraska linebacker Lavonte David..

The Broncos probably were not thrilled to see running backs Doug Martin and David Wilson go in the final two picks of the first round. Among the running backs Denver could look in the second round at include Oregon’s LaMichael James and Miami’s Lamar Miller.

Below is Denver’s new draft order after its movement Thursday night:

Round Overall (Rd.#) How Acquired

Second 36 (4) From Tampa Bay

Second 57 (25) Own Pick

Third 87 (25) Own Pick

Fourth 101 (6) From Tampa Bay

Fourth 108 (13) From N.Y. Jets

Fourth 120 (25) Own Pick

Fifth 137 (2) From St. Louis

Sixth 188 (18) From N.Y. Jets

Trades:

Broncos get: 1st-round pick (No. 31)

4th-round pick (No. 126)

Patriots get: 1st-round pick (No. 25)

Broncos get: 2nd-round pick (No. 36)

4th-round pick (No. 101)

Bucs get: 1st-round pick (No. 31)

4th-round pick (No. 126)



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Old 04-16-2012, 06:06 AM   #2
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If we could steal him the way we stole Bunkley I'd be all for it. But I don't see them giving Samuel away in the same fashion. I think it will take a 2nd round pick at the very least and I don't know that I want the Broncos to give that much up.
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they won't get a 2nd for him, his contract is too bloated. a 3rd or maybe a 3rd + a conditional pick that turns into a future 3rd or 4th.
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If we could trade a draft pick for a great, veteran DT, i'd be happy. Not Samuel.

We are in a prime position to draft a young corner for this team. If we really want one, let's get one, but let's keep it under the age of 30.
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that and Samuel isn't exactly a great overall CB. he takes a ton of risks and gives up big plays. he gets picks but the plays he gives up almost negates the turnovers he produces.
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that and Samuel isn't exactly a great overall CB. he takes a ton of risks and gives up big plays. he gets picks but the plays he gives up almost negates the turnovers he produces.
That and he doesn't tackle very well.
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very well? i haven't seen a CB so allergic to tackling since Deion. but Deion was a mother effing beast in coverage so he didn't have to tackle.
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That and he doesn't tackle very well.
I wouldn't want samuel cause of his contract,but outside of champ,how many CBs out there do tackle well.
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Harris tackles pretty damn good
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Samuel's not a shutdown guy.

He gambles a lot, can't tackle (legally), and many of his INT's are from errant throws due to pressure.
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Old!!! Pass!!! We need young blood at CB. No more stop gaps!!! Finding someone to step up to Champs' place should be a priority in the next 2 seasons.
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I wouldn't want samuel cause of his contract,but outside of champ,how many CBs out there do tackle well.
Revis,Taylor,Hall,the McCourty brothers,Tillman,Jennings,Marshall,Barber,Wright,W oodson,Harris(our nickel back),Greer,Peterson,Webb,Finnegan and others.
it's not a foreign concept, some mothers just don't think it's their job.
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Philadelphia Eagles CB Asante Samuel says he wants to remain on the team. The Eagles have cornerbacks Nnamdi Asomugha and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie on the roster as well, and Samuel's age (31) and 2012 cap number ($10.5 million) make him the most logical of those three to trade if they want to alleviate overcrowding in their secondary.
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Samuel's not a shutdown guy.

He gambles a lot, can't tackle (legally), and many of his INT's are from errant throws due to pressure.
like the kind of pressure generated from Von Doom?

turnovers are a big deal for a team with Manning at QB. we haven't produced a significant amount of them since 05.
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Despite his roots in Foxboro, he meets my high standards for a FN. Bring the boy in.

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Damn, I thought Bowlen fired the midget.
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he can't tackle worth dick
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he can't tackle worth dick
I live in Philly so i watch a fair amount of Eagle games. The guy can't tackle and he trys to jump every route possible. Most of my friends are eagle fans they pray they can get a value trade for this guy.
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I'd send them a 4th... maybe a 3rd.

You know what you're getting with him. He's not elite, but the chances of our 4th round pick this year being BETTER than him? Slim IMO.
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Eagles have been shopping CB Asante Samuel in recent days, according to NFL sources around league. Eagles looking to make trade before draft
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Asante Samuel may be a better CB than people realize. Was thrown at deep (20+) 12 times last year, allowed 1 catch.
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He's horrible - haven't you been reading the 'mane?
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Samuel is not horrible, and he is nowhere near as good as PFF has him rated. He is a very good Zone CB, and not a very good man CB. He struggles in systems that do not play to his strengths and is an average run support CB.

What he does do, is read routes and jump throws to get TO's. And, he is one of the best in the league at doing that if he has safety help. The problem is when he does not have safety help over the top, he still jumps routes and blows coverages for the whole defense. Part of what PFF misses is they can not fault him when he blows coverages, just if they see him cover. That is why their grade is inflated. Ask any DC how much they would want a guy that gambles like that and exposes the team to big plays? The answer is not as much as the price someone with zone secondary issues will pay.

He is name player because of the TO's, and he has been paid plenty to be that guy. However, he is not good for scheme integrity or teaching younger players how to play CB in the NFL. Also, PHI played much more Zone last year because of Samuel and the idiot DC who had 2 excellent man CB's in Asomugha and Cromartie. Samuel greatly benefited from that, while exposing the rest of the secondary to his antics.

If this was a pure zone team, DEN would make a run at him. However, DEN plays a good amount of man and JDR prefers that too on the back end. Samuel is not a good fit for that.
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Samuel is not horrible, and he is nowhere near as good as PFF has him rated. He is a very good Zone CB, and not a very good man CB. He struggles in systems that do not play to his strengths and is an average run support CB.

What he does do, is read routes and jump throws to get TO's. And, he is one of the best in the league at doing that if he has safety help. The problem is when he does not have safety help over the top, he still jumps routes and blows coverages for the whole defense. Part of what PFF misses is they can not fault him when he blows coverages, just if they see him cover. That is why their grade is inflated. Ask any DC how much they would want a guy that gambles like that and exposes the team to big plays? The answer is not as much as the price someone with zone secondary issues will pay.

He is name player because of the TO's, and he has been paid plenty to be that guy. However, he is not good for scheme integrity or teaching younger players how to play CB in the NFL. Also, PHI played much more Zone last year because of Samuel and the idiot DC who had 2 excellent man CB's in Asomugha and Cromartie. Samuel greatly benefited from that, while exposing the rest of the secondary to his antics.

If this was a pure zone team, DEN would make a run at him. However, DEN plays a good amount of man and JDR prefers that too on the back end. Samuel is not a good fit for that.
I always love the different philosophies between a secondary coach and a DC. Especially when a secondary coach is promoted to DC and completely changes in the blink of an eye.

The DC will coach to stop the play
The secondary coach will coach to MAKE the play

The DC will coach to play it safer
The secondary coach will coach to "If you're gonna make a mistake, make a BIG mistake"
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