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Old 04-15-2012, 03:02 PM   #1
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I know that classes generally take three years to evaluate but I thought since the draft is almost here we could take a look back at last years class. What grade would you give EFX? I'm going with A- due to DROY and solid starter in Franklin and Carter got alot of time. Moore was disappointing for a 2nd rounder. Irving/Thomas TBD. At the three year mark im projecting A+ as I believe Moore/Thomas/Irving could develop into starters if healthy.

Round 1, 2nd Overall: Von Miller, LB Texas A&M

Round 2, 45th Overall: Rahim Moore, FS UCLA

Round 2, 46th Overall: Orlando Franklin, OL Miami (Fla.)

Round 3, 67th Overall: Nate Irving, LB North Carolina State

Round 4, 108th Overall: Quinton Carter, DB Oklahoma

Round 4, 129th Overall: Julius Thomas, TE Portland State

Round 6, 189th Overall: Mike Mohamed, LB California

Round 7, 204th Overall: Virgil Green, TE Nevada

Round 7, 247th Overall: Jeremy Beal, DE Oklahoma
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Old 04-15-2012, 03:19 PM   #2
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I give him a B for finding 2 starters, Moore doesn't knock my socks off but played a lot. the good thing is if Irving or Green get some playing time the grade could be a solid A.
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Round 1, 2nd Overall: Von Miller, LB Texas A&M
A+ -- Would have been hard to whiff.

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Round 2, 45th Overall: Rahim Moore, FS UCLA
C- -- Has the potential to be a good player, but he was not impressive other than laying that dude out in the pre-season.

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Round 2, 46th Overall: Orlando Franklin, OL Miami (Fla.)
B -- Big Boy Franklin is gonna be solid for us. Never an all-star, but just a good dude.
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Round 3, 67th Overall: Nate Irving, LB North Carolina State
I -- Don't know. Not enough P/T to make an assessment.

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Round 4, 108th Overall: Quinton Carter, DB Oklahoma
B+ -- I think Carter can be a solid starter in the NFL, at the very least a very good role player. I think he has a lot of potential ahead of him.

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Round 4, 129th Overall: Julius Thomas, TE Portland State

Round 6, 189th Overall: Mike Mohamed, LB California

Round 7, 204th Overall: Virgil Green, TE Nevada

Round 7, 247th Overall: Jeremy Beal, DE Oklahoma
All of this is FAIL.

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Old 04-15-2012, 03:29 PM   #4
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Way to early to write off Green and Thomas.

Mohamed and Beal were 6th and 7th... did you expect perineal Pro Bolwers here?
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Way to early to write off Green and Thomas.

Mohamed and Beal were 6th and 7th... did you expect perineal Pro Bolwers here?
Uh, no. I just think that they all are going to wash out of the NFL.
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After 1 year, he hit the easy one, did decent with Franklin, and whiffed on everything else.
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I figure we will be drafting 25-32 range next few years. Denver must hit at DT CB OL QB for longterm success. If we miss more then we hit. It will be ugly again. We have to draft better and cosistantly.

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Less than 12 months after a draft in a lockout year there's only one option: IN-COM-PLETE.
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After 1 year, he hit the easy one, did decent with Franklin, and whiffed on everything else.
Spot on
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Von was a hit, but he has to develop into something more than a pass-rusher. Rahim was a miss. Franklin was a bigtime hit. Irving was a miss. Carter is serviceable. The rest of the picks probably won't have much of a career. The UDFA's Harris, Dell might.
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Miller is obviously an A or A+, but Mike Croel looked like a world beater his first year too, so I'm hoping Miller will continue to play at an elite level, but you just never know.

Franklin is an B+. Needed RT, got one, and a good one. Still needs work with PP, but that almost always seems the case with young O-linemen.

Moore is a work-in-progress, as are everyone else not named Miller. I think it will prove to be a great, not simply good, draft.
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too early to grade, Von was a beast, people were calling for his head at first since he was assumed to be a better fit in a 3-4 by most fans.
Moore looked good early but then fell off the cliff, Franklin looks to be a serious fixture on the OL for years to come, Irving & Thomas haven't played enough, Green was insane value in the 7th considering he was seen as a top 3 round pick, Carter looks to be a starter for the next few years and the rest did as you might expect late rounders to do, make the team and do some special teams stuff.

you can't grade a draft until 3 years later because the development is about where it should be at that point and if you were a waste of a pick you're likely to get cut.
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Grade overall? C- for the draft picks, they only hit with Von and Franklin, and Miller was a no-brainer, either him or Dareus. I suppose they still could have f'd it up at #2, though, but it's hard to imagine how.

Moore, Irving, and the rest of them other than Carter I can't see them as anything more than backups. Carter is adequate. The UDFA's may end up having better careers than Rahim, Irving, Mohammed, Beal, Thomas, Green.

But overall, that 2011 draft seems like a very bad class overall, so EFX got some nothings from a class of nobodies.
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Grade overall? C- for the draft picks, they only hit with Von and Franklin, and Miller was a no-brainer, either him or Dareus. I suppose they still could have f'd it up at #2, though, but it's hard to imagine how.

Moore, Irving, and the rest of them other than Carter I can't see them as anything more than backups. Carter is adequate. The UDFA's may end up having better careers than Rahim, Irving, Mohammed, Beal, Thomas, Green.

But overall, that 2011 draft seems like a very bad class overall, so EFX got some nothings from a class of nobodies.
A C- with the DROY? WTF
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After 1 year, he hit the easy one, did decent with Franklin, and whiffed on everything else.
my thoughts exactly
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I'd give Elway an A- to B+.
Miller has the potential to be one of the greats. I don't care if he went #2 and people say it obvious. How many of us were clamoring for a DT?
Out of the rest there look like 2 to 3 solid starters.

Seems like a a lot better than McD's or Shanny's drafts.
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Carter was the best pick IMO. Hard to miss on Miller. Franklin seems like a good pick. 3 quality players that definitely improved the team as rookies. That alone makes it a really good draft.
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After 1 year, he hit the easy one, did decent with Franklin, and whiffed on everything else.
This is amazing to me. Quinton Carter was instrumental in the playoff win, and was the best player in the secondary not named Bailey after Dawkins went down.
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Uh, no. I just think that they all are going to wash out of the NFL.
Beal actually played some towards the end of the year. Not a star by any means, but I think we've already gotten more value from him then most 7th rounders.
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Beal actually played some towards the end of the year. Not a star by any means, but I think we've already gotten more value from him then most 7th rounders.
I'm pretty sure that turd didn't see a single snap.
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I think after this season is when you can really judge that draft. You expect after 2 years, if players haven't shown much yet, they will year 2 if ever going to.
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I know that classes generally take three years to evaluate but I thought since the draft is almost here we could take a look back at last years class. What grade would you give EFX? I'm going with A- due to DROY and solid starter in Franklin and Carter got alot of time. Moore was disappointing for a 2nd rounder. Irving/Thomas TBD. At the three year mark im projecting A+ as I believe Moore/Thomas/Irving could develop into starters if healthy.

Round 1, 2nd Overall: Von Miller, LB Texas A&M
Grand slam
Round 2, 45th Overall: Rahim Moore, FS UCLA
FAIL
Round 2, 46th Overall: Orlando Franklin, OL Miami (Fla.)
Great pick
Round 3, 67th Overall: Nate Irving, LB North Carolina State
?who? Unknown
Round 4, 108th Overall: Quinton Carter, DB Oklahoma
Solid pick. Looking like DENs starting SS.
Round 4, 129th Overall: Julius Thomas, TE Portland State
The next Mr Glass?!?!
Round 6, 189th Overall: Mike Mohamed, LB California
STeamer
Round 7, 204th Overall: Virgil Green, TE Nevada
Crap
Round 7, 247th Overall: Jeremy Beal, DE Oklahoma
Crap
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Round 1, 2nd Overall: Von Miller, LB Texas A&M

Round 2, 45th Overall: Rahim Moore, FS UCLA


Round 2, 46th Overall: Orlando Franklin, OL Miami (Fla.)

Round 3, 67th Overall: Nate Irving, LB North Carolina State

Round 4, 108th Overall: Quinton Carter, DB Oklahoma

Round 4, 129th Overall: Julius Thomas, TE Portland State

Round 6, 189th Overall: Mike Mohamed, LB California

Round 7, 204th Overall: Virgil Green, TE Nevada

Round 7, 247th Overall: Jeremy Beal, DE Oklahoma
He has one Pro Bowler the jury still out on Irving and Moore if they become solid starters I'll have to grade it an A

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