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Old 04-11-2012, 03:12 PM   #1
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So once again the Mane is in a frenzy over the general lack of defensive tackles on our roster, with many of overrun threads ending in this topic. I see the phrases UT/NT being tossed around a lot, and to be honest, I don't know what they are, what they mean, and what type of player fits in each role.

I was wondering if any of you would be willing to help enlighten me (and very well others) on the subject of defensive tackles, and if possible, where the Broncos stand with their current roster.
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Old 04-11-2012, 03:14 PM   #2
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NT is used primarily for eating up blocks... likely lining up next to Dumervil.

UT is the three-tech quicker and usually single teamed and used more in run stopping and pass rushing.

NTs are usually bigger, UTs are usually more athletic.

Edit - I misnamed the techniques. Other than that I hope this helps.

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Old 04-11-2012, 03:15 PM   #3
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I've always though of Ayers as more of a UT that is playing the DE position.

Right now the Broncos starting NT is Ty Warren and the starting UT is Vickerson.

McBean and Thomas are more UT material. Bannan kinda tweens between both, but will likely be used more as a NT.

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Old 04-11-2012, 03:17 PM   #4
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Search the recent articles regarding DTs.

Its the "scouting the combine" series.
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NT is the three-tech and used primarily for eating up blocks... likely lining up next to Dumervil.

UT is quicker and usually single teamed and used more in run stopping and pass rushing.

NTs are usually bigger, UTs are usually more athletic.
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Search the recent articles regarding DTs.

Its the "scouting the combine" series.
Thanks Crush.

So what does UT and NT stand for?

What does the "1,2,3,4,5 Technique" mean?

Why does one type of DT line up on a certain side? If NT are the ones requiring double teams, why not just have 2 NT's?
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Thanks Crush.

So what does UT and NT stand for?
Under tackle (because he's "under" the tackle) and nose tackle.

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What does the "1,2,3,4,5 Technique" mean?
Alignment in correspondence w/the OL's splits. Here's a pic:



^ the "i" means inside.

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Why does one type of DT line up on a certain side? If NT are the ones requiring double teams, why not just have 2 NT's?
Some teams do that in "two gap" systems. Denver plays a "one gap" system, so our "traditional" NT isn't a traditional NT... he still plays the edge of the opposing OL instead of heads up.
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Another in depth article on gaps from It's All Over Fat Man.

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Some teams do that in "two gap" systems. Denver plays a "one gap" system, so our "traditional" NT isn't a traditional NT... he still plays the edge of the opposing OL instead of heads up.
The Colts traditionally did this, they would have 2 big run stoppers line up in pretty traditional 4-3 front alignment but they were both tasked with covering 2 gaps against the run. Jim Bates runs a hybrid front where you have 2 nose tackles, however between them they only have to cover 3 gaps since you still have a power end on one side who is tasked with taking on the tackle.

Some 40 fronts use what could be called a traditional nose-tackle alignment with one tackle either in the 0 or 1 gap, either heads up on the center or on the shoulder of the center and the other will play the 3-gap on the shoulder of the guard. Other fronts are symmetric, especially these days where a lot of teams move their TEs around a lot, so the DTs will line up typically on each guard or on the inside shoulder of each guard.
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The nose tackle tackles people's noses.

The under tackle lives in the ground and is a zombie.

Thank you for your time.
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Also, who's this guy Sam? He sounds pretty good.
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The under tackle lives in the ground and is a zombie.

Thank you for your time.
Zombies don't "live" anywhere. They are dead.
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The under tackle lives in the ground and is a zombie.

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Zombies dont live in the ground, DUH. Prarie Dogs do, though! Under tackles are prarie dogs.
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So what does UT and NT stand for?

What does the "1,2,3,4,5 Technique" mean?

Why does one type of DT line up on a certain side? If NT are the ones requiring double teams, why not just have 2 NT's?
I think Rev covered your answers well. Your third question is if you play a 2 gap system and your DT's are average to below average you will give up huge gains in the run game. Denver tried this under Bates a couple years ago and was a awful. The whole reason to one gap is to simplify the game and try to cover up some talent lacking in the overall front 7.
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Amost no one on this site would have referred to a DT in an even front as a NT prior to last year.

Now, as Duckie pointed out, you trip over UT/NT references in almost any defensive related thread.
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Amost no one on this site would have referred to a DT in an even front as a NT prior to last year.

Now, as Duckie pointed out, you trip over UT/NT references in almost any defensive related thread.
Prior to last year the Broncos we're running a 3-4 with McDaniels. Prior to that, in 2008 we were running with Slowik (et al.) Under Shanahan, we we're into Offense, ZBS, the bootleg, and how to improve red-zone scoring.

While switching to a 3-4, IAOFM (and other media outlets) started putting out a bunch of information, schooling us all about Defense...at least that's how I learned. We have all learned quite a bit about Defense in the last 4 years.

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