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View Poll Results: What constitutes a DT draft fail?
No DT in 1st round = fail 6 9.23%
No DT in 1st or 2nd = fail 20 30.77%
No DT in 1 through 3 = fail 18 27.69%
No DT drafted at all = fail 18 27.69%
We need 4 DT's in this draft to make up for years of fail 2 3.08%
Doesn't matter if we draft DT at all, best player available (there's always next year) 12 18.46%
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:45 AM   #1
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Default No DT = failed draft?

Yet again we approach the draft and yet again DT is the weakest link, as has been for years. Is this the year the Broncos throw us a bone, or are we bound for another post draft DT meltdown?
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:49 AM   #2
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I think just like any other year, it's not going to go like all of us armchair GMs would like it to and then things will be just fine although the sky is falling, then next year we will have this discussion again.
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:49 AM   #3
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no not a failed draft, it means fans storm the gates at Dove Valley and we see Elway dragged out and dispense of through some old school drawn and quartering.
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:51 AM   #4
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from don banks latest mock draft



25 DT Michael Brockers LSU Soph. 6-6 306
The Broncos defense got run on in the second half of 2011, and Brockers is a prospect who can develop into a middle-of-the-line anchor for John Fox's team. Stanford tight end Coby Fleener is the name to know if Denver opts for offense in the first round.

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Old 04-11-2012, 10:54 AM   #5
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No it doesn't. Only an idiot would take a DT just to take one. It has to be the right fit otherwise one is better off taking BPA in relation to the teams grades
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:55 AM   #6
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No it doesn't. Only an idiot would take a DT just to take one.
oh no, you have it all wrong, if we don't take DT no matter what in rounds 1 and 2 it's a failed draft

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Old 04-11-2012, 10:57 AM   #7
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from don banks latest mock draft



25 DT Michael Brockers LSU Soph. 6-6 306
The Broncos defense got run on in the second half of 2011, and Brockers is a prospect who can develop into a middle-of-the-line anchor for John Fox's team. Stanford tight end Coby Fleener is the name to know if Denver opts for offense in the first round.

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http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/writers/do...sct=nfl_t11_a0

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Old 04-11-2012, 10:58 AM   #8
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from don banks latest mock draft



25 DT Michael Brockers LSU Soph. 6-6 306
The Broncos defense got run on in the second half of 2011, and Brockers is a prospect who can develop into a middle-of-the-line anchor for John Fox's team. Stanford tight end Coby Fleener is the name to know if Denver opts for offense in the first round.

lmao! .....this place will burn

http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/writers/do...sct=nfl_t11_a0
No kidding... the last thing the Broncos need is another TE.
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:58 AM   #9
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We've got Warren and Vickerson. We're set.
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No kidding... the last thing the Broncos need is another TE.
since Sharpe retired, there's always at least one mock draft of the broncos taking a TE in the first round.
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:59 AM   #11
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I feel like I can give Fox the benefit of the doubt with DL in the way we could give Shanny the benefit with RB. Maybe not to the same scale but I thought there were a lot of times, particularly pre-Miller's injury, where the DL was playing well. When Shanny was running things, you knew DL was going to be a problem that noone had an answer to.

That said, I'd still like some DTs. I just wont be as annoyed as I was when they were passing on Bryant, Laws, and the 800 other DTs we all wanted them to take around here.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:00 AM   #12
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I'm normally not one to declare a draft a failure if we do not pick up a specific position. But the fact is we don't have anything to start the defensive tackle position for us this year. The free agent market has largely dried up for the position at this point. We are going to be reduced to signing practice squad scrubs just to fill the position this year. I'm not going to go as far as calling our off season anything resembling a failure, but if we can't do something to fill that spot by opening day, I can definitely call it flawed.
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I'm normally not one to declare a draft a failure if we do not pick up a specific position. But the fact is we don't have anything to start the defensive tackle position for us this year. The free agent market has largely dried up for the position at this point. We are going to be reduced to signing practice squad scrubs just to fill the position this year. I'm not going to go as far as calling our off season anything resembling a failure, but if we can't do something to fill that spot by opening day, I can definitely call it flawed.
For me this is not entirely true... I would pencil in Ty Warren and Kevin Vickerson as the Broncos starters on the D-Line. Granted we will not know until training camp how healthy these guys are. But I am sure the Broncos have a good idea... signing players and drafting for depth is the issue.

The Broncos really don't have to use a 1st round pick on a DT.

To me that first round pick is going to have to contribute if not start right away.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:36 AM   #16
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:43 AM   #17
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I learned my lesson last year and that was a better year for DTs. And hearing the way Elway spoke about Miller kind of suggested to me that he's looking at impact players and not at drafting out of desperation. At this point, I'm kind of giving Fox the benefit of the doubt when it comes to making do at DT. He did it last year. Bunkley cost us a late round pick. I'm hoping something like that might happen again.

While I recognize the benefit in investing in DTs, they also scare me and if we can do what we did with Bunkley last year, drafting other positions is something I'd be open to.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:46 AM   #18
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There are five players who are legitimate first round talents. There are about two or three guys you would take in the second. If the Broncos don't land one of those guys, I'd consider it a huge miss.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:13 PM   #19
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My current opinion on the draft is bpa no matter what, even if we are talking about a position that the team seems to be set at (i.e. TE).

Having a pro bowl caliber player sitting on the bench is infinitely better than having a bad player picked at a position of need sitting on the bench behind a guy signed for the veteran minimum. Both are not playing, but one has value that can be taken advantage of either later down the line, or in terms of a trade.

It takes a lot of control to not fall in love with a guy strictly because it's a position of need, but if there is a better player at a different position, it is much much more valuable than picking a guy based only on his position and hoping you can coach him up.

I will not be upset if we don't pick a DT in this draft.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:25 PM   #20
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Although all this whinning amongs OM posters (even after EFX just pulled off the greatest offseason coupe in free agency history) provides great enjoyment, this poll is just dumb. The whiny biatches here - for sake of account standards, I'll go ahead and categorize them as teboners too - are jus whiney biatches for the sake of whining. What is missing here (on OM), is an adjustment of attitude to account for the fact that the Broncos have an elite quarterback now, and in this NFL, elite QBs are gold.

Denver's defense currently is better the Pats and Green Bay and both ruled the league last year because of thier QB. In today's NFL super bowls are most often than not won with an Investment-grade, if not tripple-A rated, offense complimented by an medium-grade - or even speculative-grade - defense who exce; at limiting points scored - not stopping, but minimizing points (e.g., field goals). Defenses are better when the offense can dictate the game, because opposing offenses have to play differently. Von and Dumervile are going to have an all pro season, believe that!

Denver's priority is to have a triple-A rated offense. The defense will improve.
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It is hard to say the draft was a failure if we don't land a DT but get a bunch of other good picks, I don't think we need a 1st day DT pick to get good solid rotational guys but it would be nice if they could draft 1.
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Denver's defense currently is better the Pats and Green Bay and both ruled the league last year because of thier QB. In today's NFL super bowls are most often than not won with an Investment-grade, if not tripple-A rated, offense complimented by an medium-grade - or even speculative-grade - defense who exce; at limiting points scored - not stopping, but minimizing points (e.g., field goals). Defenses are better when the offense can dictate the game, because opposing offenses have to play differently. Von and Dumervile are going to have an all pro season, believe that!

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Old 04-11-2012, 01:46 PM   #23
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I don't think you "win" drafts by drafting specific positions. You win drafts by getting the best amount of value for your picks, regardless of position.
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:48 PM   #24
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Was last years draft a bust because we didn't address DT? It was by far our biggest need last year and we didn't address it and I would call the draft a success so far. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
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I don't think you "win" drafts by drafting specific positions. You win drafts by getting the best amount of value for your picks, regardless of position.
agreed...that said. Lets not draft a TE in the first round
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