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Old 06-14-2014, 10:55 PM   #5401
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You do know there is more then one Cromartie in the NFL right?
Rogers del..whos the other one
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Old 06-15-2014, 04:31 AM   #5402
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can you explain PFF's grading process and how they can accurately assess/grade each defensive player without knowing his assignment on each specific play?

And if Flowers is a top-5 CB (imo he's not), then why oh why would the chefs cut him?
It is easy, they guess. They look at a play and say, it looked like this guy was trying to do "blah" so his assignment was "blah" and then they grade how he fared on a scale of not achieving "blah" at all or achieving "blah" very well. This system heavily favours players who play in an proactive system or role and punishes players who play a reactive system or role.

An example: player A is tasked with rushing the passer, however it is a run play so that player basically runs right by the blockers who chips him and then goes to the 2nd level. This means player A did his job well, he got in the backfield very quickly and on a pass play or playfake that would have been huge. So he gets a good grade despite not having achieved anything on the play and in fact may have cost his teams yards by not occupying a blocker or closing down a lane.

Another example: player B is tasked with a read and react play, he has to maintain gap assignment if it is a run play inside or maintain confinement on run play outside and rush the passer against a pass play. It is a playfake towards that players side, he makes his read as a play inside and maintains his gap, the QB then passes the ball down the field with no pressure. How do you grade that? and how do you know that he chose to maintain solid position until it was obvious it was a pass play and that he didn't get just frozen in place by solid offensive line play?

Ultimately PFF guess. While you can generally rely on them to get the best players in the top half and the worst players in the bottom half, saying someone is the 5th best player based on their rankings is a HUGE reach.
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:20 AM   #5403
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Rogers del..whos the other one
Antonio Cromartie signed a 1 year deal with Arizona.
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:55 AM   #5404
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The Ravens might get Flowers as their 3rd DB.
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:58 AM   #5405
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If I put Peyton Manning in a huskers option offense he will suck. That doesn't mean Manning is a terrible QB all of the sudden.

Roby will hit a rookie wall at some point. I would rather rely on Flowers and Webster then Carter and Webster.
Talib will be out some games too. Happens every year for him. That means more carter too.
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Old 06-15-2014, 10:10 AM   #5406
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The Ravens might get Flowers as their 3rd DB.
Smith and flowers on the outside and webb in the slot is what I would guess.. Would be a good fit if they played the same way they let smith play last season when he finally broke out by pressing the receiver, even eric decker burned flowers and jimmy in man.
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Old 06-15-2014, 11:26 AM   #5407
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Ravens have 4.7 mil in cap room this year, and literally right on the cap for next year if it's around the 140ish range, they have 138 in cap commitments next year.

They would have to move some money around to get Flowers.
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Old 06-15-2014, 12:13 PM   #5408
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Ravens have 4.7 mil in cap room this year, and literally right on the cap for next year if it's around the 140ish range, they have 138 in cap commitments next year.

They would have to move some money around to get Flowers.
I don't think Flowers is going to cost as much as you guys think.
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Old 06-15-2014, 02:17 PM   #5409
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I'm not saying he'll cost 10 mil.

I think around 3-5 mil or so.
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Old 06-15-2014, 02:23 PM   #5410
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I don't think Flowers is going to cost as much as you guys think.
He'll have plenty of suitors willing to pay him more than we would.
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Old 06-15-2014, 02:54 PM   #5411
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Old 06-15-2014, 03:03 PM   #5412
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He'll have plenty of suitors willing to pay him more than we would.
Broncos did pretty good for players on one year deals. But there would have to be other teams willing to pay more.
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:34 PM   #5413
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Broncos have 4.6 million worth of cap space according to over the cap. Flowers cap number is 10.5 this year.

Who are you cutting to get 6 million?
The stupid in this post needs to be quoted.
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:40 PM   #5414
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Ware is always hurt. Always.
The stupid in this post needs to be quoted.

He's missed three games in nine years.
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:23 AM   #5415
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How did the Chiefs get into such cap problems? Weren't they in really good shape just a year or two ago?
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@LRiddickESPN- Andy doing it HIS way, with the guys HE wants. I like it. Phillip Gaines...step right up young man! #Chiefs
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:57 PM   #5417
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@LRiddickESPN- Andy doing it HIS way, with the guys HE wants. I like it. Phillip Gaines...step right up young man! #Chiefs
You saw how Manning abused Cooper last year

Welcome to the party Phillip Gaines
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:36 AM   #5420
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apparently Justin Houston is holding out

lulz at the Chiefs
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Old 06-17-2014, 01:45 PM   #5421
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Ravens have 4.7 mil in cap room this year, and literally right on the cap for next year if it's around the 140ish range, they have 138 in cap commitments next year.

They would have to move some money around to get Flowers.
the cost of flacco... someone will pick up Flowers, I'm surprised he's still a FA.
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apparently Justin Houston is holding out

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he wants kc to show him the $.

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Old 06-17-2014, 03:30 PM   #5423
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Not even sure how anyone can be a Chiefs fan. What a ****ty city and culture.

Chiefs players get excited when season ends so they can leave that dump.
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the cost of flacco... someone will pick up Flowers, I'm surprised he's still a FA.
Flacco's deal doesnt really hurt them right now, other deals and impending ones eventually (Torrey Smith)
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Old 06-17-2014, 05:40 PM   #5425
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apparently Justin Houston is holding out

lulz at the Chiefs
This is what happens when you have two Pro Bowl DE's, and you reach on a marginal DE in the 1st instead of addressing positions that will actually help you win.

Houston would be dumb not to hold out, considering the position they put him in.
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