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Old 06-14-2014, 10:59 AM   #5326
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Based on? Captain pick 6 at QB in Oakland?
based on kc having the worst off season of any team in the NFL in the last 5 years? When your team's off season makes oakland look like a solid franchise, there's a problem.
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Old 06-14-2014, 10:59 AM   #5327
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Based on? Captain pick 6 at QB in Oakland?
Tuck, Woodley, Mack, Antonio Smith, James Jones, Austin Howard, Penn, MJD, Tarrelle Brown.

Oakland added alot.

Wouldnt say they finish over KC but it's not that crazy.

Oakland is much improved.
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Old 06-14-2014, 11:04 AM   #5328
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Free's up cap space to give Smith the mega contract he deserves.

Do it KC, make Smith the face of the franchise.
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Old 06-14-2014, 11:13 AM   #5329
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Fun fact: Flowers is top 5 among CB's last 5 years on PFF
What about the last couple? I don't care how good you were 5 years ago because Samuel, Nadamni and even Bailey were pretty damn good back then. PFF is a joke too.
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Fun fact: Flowers is top 5 among CB's last 5 years on PFF
Yeah, he was a good CB until last season
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Old 06-14-2014, 11:16 AM   #5331
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Raiders should be improved, but I still have a tough time seeing them be better then KC next season. Wouldn't be shocked if they split with KC, but imagine the Raiders are still a 5-6 win team and the Chiefs are probably a 7-8 win team.

Schaub might just need a change of scenery, and if Oakland can get the Schaub of a couple seasons ago they could be better then expected.
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Old 06-14-2014, 11:25 AM   #5332
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Tuck, Woodley, Mack, Antonio Smith, James Jones, Austin Howard, Penn, MJD, Tarrelle Brown.

Oakland added alot.

Wouldnt say they finish over KC but it's not that crazy.

Oakland is much improved.
That team was awful last year. They improved a lot, but look at where they were. Their QB is bad, their OL is still bad. Their coaching is bad.

Signing old past their prime guys isn't going to make them this great team. I do like their draft though, minus Carr
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Old 06-14-2014, 11:26 AM   #5333
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Yeah, he was a good CB until last season
I won't lie, he was disappointing last year until the playoff game. He was hampering a knee injury which made him struggle.
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Old 06-14-2014, 11:27 AM   #5334
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based on kc having the worst off season of any team in the NFL in the last 5 years? When your team's off season makes oakland look like a solid franchise, there's a problem.
Why? Bc they didn't sign past their prime or injury prone players like Denver?
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Old 06-14-2014, 11:29 AM   #5335
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Fun fact: Flowers is top 5 among CB's last 5 years on PFF
can you explain PFF's grading process and how they can accurately assess/grade each defensive player without knowing his assignment on each specific play?

And if Flowers is a top-5 CB (imo he's not), then why oh why would the chefs cut him?
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Old 06-14-2014, 11:32 AM   #5336
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Yeah, he was a good CB until last season
He will rebound in a better system for him too. I don't understand why two posters here can't understand that.
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can you explain PFF's grading process and how they can accurately assess/grade each defensive player without knowing his assignment on each specific play?

And if Flowers is a top-5 CB (imo he's not), then why oh why would the chefs cut him?
Justin Houston is an elite pass rusher. He needs that money more than Flowers.
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Old 06-14-2014, 11:35 AM   #5338
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Why? Bc they didn't sign past their prime or injury prone players like Denver?
So T.J. Ward and Emmanuel Sanders are past their prime? Ha that's funny.
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So T.J. Ward and Emmanuel Sanders are past their prime? Ha that's funny.
Neither is Ware. He will have more sacks then Houston and fat ass combined
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He will rebound in a better system for him too. I don't understand why two posters here can't understand that.
We will wait and see. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are wrong. I have never been that impressed with him and he got a big contract for a guy who can't play man to man.
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So T.J. Ward and Emmanuel Sanders are past their prime? Ha that's funny.
No Ware and Talib
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We will wait and see. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are wrong. I have never been that impressed with him and he got a big contract for a guy who can't play man to man.
That's why he needs to play for a cover 2 team. He's not built to play press.
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No Ware and Talib
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Talib is 27-28, since when is that past his prime?
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That's why he needs to play for a cover 2 team. He's not built to play press.
That is basically what I said. He is paid like a top do it all CB when he has limited skills that show signs of slipping. I think a great move by KC to get rid of him now.
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We will wait and see. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are wrong. I have never been that impressed with him and he got a big contract for a guy who can't play man to man.
If I put Peyton Manning in a huskers option offense he will suck. That doesn't mean Manning is a terrible QB all of the sudden.

Roby will hit a rookie wall at some point. I would rather rely on Flowers and Webster then Carter and Webster.
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I can get Ware.

Talib is 27-28, since when is that past his prime?
Ware is always hurt. Always.
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If I put Peyton Manning in a huskers option offense he will suck. That doesn't mean Manning is a terrible QB all of the sudden.

Roby will hit a rookie wall at some point. I would rather rely on Flowers and Webster then Carter and Webster.
Well yeah but Flowers isn't signing for what Carter is signed for. He obviously wasn't worth 7.5 mil a year when he has limited skills and is undersized.
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Ware is always hurt. Always.
He has missed less games in his long HOF career than Houston missed last year. He really has only been banged up the last two years and he still played for the most part.
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Bottomline about Flowers is a good player, but the last couple years his play has dipped due to constant nagging injuries. Press scheme needs tall, fast, longer players.

Flowers was a great draft pick, but paying him so much when he's a 3rd CB is insane. It's a smart move to get money back to give to Justin Houston.
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He has missed less games in his long HOF career than Houston missed last year. He really has only been banged up the last two years and he still played for the most part.
Talib my bad. But Ware has had offseason surgery last 2 offseasons and was half of what he was last year.
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