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Old 06-14-2014, 08:45 AM   #5251
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Something must be happening. I read he had not shown up at any box the OTA. I don't think he has a lot left in the tank and was overrated anyways. He won't be a bronco.
He's 28 years old, and has only played 6 years, i wouldnt say he's washed.

He was battling a foot injury last year.

I agree he wont be a Bronco unless he took a cheap deal to screw KC.
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:00 AM   #5252
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If the corner back starved Chiefs did not want him why would we want him?
They are in CAP hell. It was the only move they could make to free up money. It's really not that complicated. He isn't finished. He didn't rape a baby. The Chiefs are a **** team that is poorly ran. That is it.
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:06 AM   #5253
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Flowers released a week after their other starter gets a DUI. They let BrandenAlbert go, have literally no WR's and andno O line. 6-10

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Old 06-14-2014, 09:09 AM   #5254
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If the corner back starved Chiefs did not want him why would we want him?
You should re-read the title of this thread again.

The Chefs are a negative barometer if there ever was one.
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:09 AM   #5255
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He's a good guy off the field from what i've heard, he was battling a foot injury last season. Maybe he didnt fit their scheme but he's still a good CB.

I brought up something similar as well, why do this now and not before FA so he can get a good deal in FA, and two, KC would have some cap room to use maybe to keep Schwartz or get a receiver/other position.


Chiefs released CB Brandon Flowers.
Flowers' performance and usefulness in Kansas City slipped dramatically under new DC Bob Sutton last season, as a press-man scheme was installed in the secondary and Flowers failed to find a fit. He wound up mostly at slot corner, and was beaten relentlessly. The Chiefs were trying to trade Flowers, but found no takers for his contract. Flowers had some of the best years of his career under now-Texans DC Romeo Crennel, and cornerback depth is needed in Houston. We wouldn't be surprised to see them reunite. Flowers turned 28 in February.


As for why they waited so long to cut him......

June 1 represents an important day in the calendar year for the NFL. It is a day when various rules and tenders change.

The biggest impact for teams involves the modification of salary cap accounting rules for players whose contracts will be terminated after June 1 or whose contracts were terminated with the “Post June 1” designation. Prior to June 1 any player removed from a teams roster, either by release or trade, will have all their remaining salary cap allocations accelerate into the current League Year. For example a player with $1 million in prorated money from 2014 to 2017 whose contract is terminated will carry a “dead money” charge of $4 million in 2014.

However, after June 1 that “dead money” charge now splits between two seasons. Once released the team only needs to account for the current years prorated money in their 2014 salary cap accounting. All future years’ prorated money will now land as “dead money” in 2015. So for the example player above the “dead money” charges will equal $1 million in 2014 and $3 million in 2015. In practice this rule allows teams with underperforming, high priced players to release players before the season and remain salary cap compliant. If such a rule did not exist many teams would have a difficult time, with their salary caps often tight, to release a player with high prorated charges.

http://overthecap.com/june-1-date-means-nfl/

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PS if they cut him before they only would have freed up 3.5 million dollars. Waiting pushed KC cap room to 11.4

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Old 06-14-2014, 09:22 AM   #5256
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Chiefs released CB Brandon Flowers.
Flowers' performance and usefulness in Kansas City slipped dramatically under new DC Bob Sutton last season, as a press-man scheme was installed in the secondary and Flowers failed to find a fit. He wound up mostly at slot corner, and was beaten relentlessly. The Chiefs were trying to trade Flowers, but found no takers for his contract. Flowers had some of the best years of his career under now-Texans DC Romeo Crennel, and cornerback depth is needed in Houston. We wouldn't be surprised to see them reunite. Flowers turned 28 in February.


As for why they waited so long to cut him......

June 1 represents an important day in the calendar year for the NFL. It is a day when various rules and tenders change.

The biggest impact for teams involves the modification of salary cap accounting rules for players whose contracts will be terminated after June 1 or whose contracts were terminated with the “Post June 1” designation. Prior to June 1 any player removed from a teams roster, either by release or trade, will have all their remaining salary cap allocations accelerate into the current League Year. For example a player with $1 million in prorated money from 2014 to 2017 whose contract is terminated will carry a “dead money” charge of $4 million in 2014.

However, after June 1 that “dead money” charge now splits between two seasons. Once released the team only needs to account for the current years prorated money in their 2014 salary cap accounting. All future years’ prorated money will now land as “dead money” in 2015. So for the example player above the “dead money” charges will equal $1 million in 2014 and $3 million in 2015. In practice this rule allows teams with underperforming, high priced players to release players before the season and remain salary cap compliant. If such a rule did not exist many teams would have a difficult time, with their salary caps often tight, to release a player with high prorated charges.

http://overthecap.com/june-1-date-means-nfl/

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PS if they cut him before they only would have freed up 3.5 million dollars. Waiting pushed KC cap room to 11.4
I know what the June-1st cut thing is, smartass.

You can cut a guy, and designate him as a June-1st before, Steelers did it with Woodley.

Still stand by that, why do it now?
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:46 AM   #5257
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Flowers isn't that good and KC paid him top dollar. When you take his price/performance and add in injuries the guy plain sucks.
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:52 AM   #5258
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I know what the June-1st cut thing is, smartass.

You can cut a guy, and designate him as a June-1st before, Steelers did it with Woodley.

Still stand by that, why do it now?
They wanted to TRADE him first.
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:55 AM   #5259
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Flowers isn't that good and KC paid him top dollar. When you take his price/performance and add in injuries the guy plain sucks.
100 times better then Carter.
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They wanted to TRADE him first.
and no one traded for him, probably because of his contract and the fact that he was going to be cut anyway. Flowers is a good CB and he now has a chance to sign on with another team.
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The chiefs are a badly ran team. Why do you guys question the dumb moves they make
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PS if they cut him before they only would have freed up 3.5 million dollars. Waiting pushed KC cap room to 11.4
What good is cap room when no free agents ever want to play there?
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I'm surprised at the Broncos fans that want Flowers. Dude gets roasted constantly. I don't want that turd.
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Old 06-14-2014, 10:27 AM   #5264
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100 times better then Carter.
I'm not even so sure about that and Carter is a #5 CB so saying he is better to him is like saying a kick in the nuts is better than a punch to the nuts. Flowers has been beaten like a drum time and time again. He has road a PROBOWL birth into a reputation that he is this great player which he is not.
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100 times better then Carter.
Like that's saying much.

Of course he's better than Carter, i wouldnt mind BFlo if he signed cheap but thats unlikely.

If we sign a vet, i'd like a RB or LB.
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a punch to the nuts is probably better than a kick to the nuts unless the punch is a massive uppercut
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Oakland will be much improved IMO and I agree with you they will finish ahead of the Chiefs. I would be tough to be a Chiefs fan.
Based on? Captain pick 6 at QB in Oakland?
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I'm not even so sure about that and Carter is a #5 CB so saying he is better to him is like saying a kick in the nuts is better than a punch to the nuts. Flowers has been beaten like a drum time and time again. He has road a PROBOWL birth into a reputation that he is this great player which he is not.
Fun fact: Flowers is top 5 among CB's last 5 years on PFF
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Based on? Captain pick 6 at QB in Oakland?
based on kc having the worst off season of any team in the NFL in the last 5 years? When your team's off season makes oakland look like a solid franchise, there's a problem.
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Based on? Captain pick 6 at QB in Oakland?
Tuck, Woodley, Mack, Antonio Smith, James Jones, Austin Howard, Penn, MJD, Tarrelle Brown.

Oakland added alot.

Wouldnt say they finish over KC but it's not that crazy.

Oakland is much improved.
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Free's up cap space to give Smith the mega contract he deserves.

Do it KC, make Smith the face of the franchise.
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Fun fact: Flowers is top 5 among CB's last 5 years on PFF
What about the last couple? I don't care how good you were 5 years ago because Samuel, Nadamni and even Bailey were pretty damn good back then. PFF is a joke too.
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Fun fact: Flowers is top 5 among CB's last 5 years on PFF
Yeah, he was a good CB until last season
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Raiders should be improved, but I still have a tough time seeing them be better then KC next season. Wouldn't be shocked if they split with KC, but imagine the Raiders are still a 5-6 win team and the Chiefs are probably a 7-8 win team.

Schaub might just need a change of scenery, and if Oakland can get the Schaub of a couple seasons ago they could be better then expected.
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Tuck, Woodley, Mack, Antonio Smith, James Jones, Austin Howard, Penn, MJD, Tarrelle Brown.

Oakland added alot.

Wouldnt say they finish over KC but it's not that crazy.

Oakland is much improved.
That team was awful last year. They improved a lot, but look at where they were. Their QB is bad, their OL is still bad. Their coaching is bad.

Signing old past their prime guys isn't going to make them this great team. I do like their draft though, minus Carr
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