The Orange Mane -  a Denver Broncos Fan Community  

Go Back   The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community > Orange Mane Discussion > Orange Mane Central Discussion
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Chat Room Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-12-2014, 04:39 PM   #4526
KCStud
Registered User
 
KCStud's Avatar
 
AmeriStanzi!

Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 7,477

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LikeABoss5820 View Post
It's essentially a 3-yr deal, they can get out of it just fine if they choose to do so.

Worry about your team, obsessed one.
Someone doesn't know what "guaranteed" means.

Most ever for a CB that has never played a full season
KCStud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 04:52 PM   #4527
Mile High Salute
Elway's Little Helper
 
Mile High Salute's Avatar
 
Lord of the Rings

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 591

Adopt-a-Bronco:
DT
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mwill07 View Post
wow. So the whole point to the 2014 Chiefs draft was to alleviate cap space next year?

Shows where KC's priority is - win games or save money. As long as fans keep spinning the turnstiles, I guess it doesn't matter.

Really tough to argue that KC is doing what they can to push the needle forward and improve as a team.
They are just biding their time until Manning retires, it is so obvious. No way could they be making these moves with the intention of winning now. They will continue to sell their fans the promise of "hope" while they try to fight off the Raiders for 3rd place and avoid the basement, and fall even further behind the Broncos and Chargers in the meantime.

The Kansas City Chefs....blowing smoke up their fans' collective a** for over 20 years.
Mile High Salute is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 04:54 PM   #4528
Mile High Salute
Elway's Little Helper
 
Mile High Salute's Avatar
 
Lord of the Rings

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 591

Adopt-a-Bronco:
DT
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bronco Boy View Post
I don't watch the Chiefs much, but weren't they 6th in the league in sacks last year?
They needed to upgrade their pass rush since since they are unlikely to face 8 garbage backup QBs in a row again this year.
Mile High Salute is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 04:55 PM   #4529
Mile High Salute
Elway's Little Helper
 
Mile High Salute's Avatar
 
Lord of the Rings

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 591

Adopt-a-Bronco:
DT
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KCStud View Post
At least we didn't pay a broken CB the most guaranteed money a CB has ever gotten.

Talk about poor $$ management.
Don't worry, the Broncos won't even need Talib to beat a team like the Chefs.
Mile High Salute is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 05:11 PM   #4530
KCStud
Registered User
 
KCStud's Avatar
 
AmeriStanzi!

Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 7,477

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Here is the WR answer....

"In the four years before adding TO, from 2000-2003, the Eagles went 46-18, making three NFC Championship games. A look at their leading WRs in that time period:

2000 - Chad Lewis (TE) - 735 yards, Charles Johnson - 642 yards
2001 - James Thrash - 833 yards
2002 - Todd Pinkston - 798 yards
2003 - Pinkston - 575 yards, Thrash - 558 yards"
KCStud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 05:35 PM   #4531
DENVERDUI55
Gambling is a SIN^^^^^^
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 10,389

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KCStud View Post
Here is the WR answer....

"In the four years before adding TO, from 2000-2003, the Eagles went 46-18, making three NFC Championship games. A look at their leading WRs in that time period:

2000 - Chad Lewis (TE) - 735 yards, Charles Johnson - 642 yards
2001 - James Thrash - 833 yards
2002 - Todd Pinkston - 798 yards
2003 - Pinkston - 575 yards, Thrash - 558 yards"
Reid drafted a few busts at WR during that time. He is very overrated as a QB developer too. Outside of McNabb he developed nobody.
DENVERDUI55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 05:36 PM   #4532
LikeABoss5820
Ring of Famer
 
LikeABoss5820's Avatar
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 11,806

Adopt-a-Bronco:
TJ Ward
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KCStud View Post
Someone doesn't know what "guaranteed" means.

Most ever for a CB that has never played a full season
Does that guaranteed money count against the cap?

No, it doesnt, keep getting owned, troll.
LikeABoss5820 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 05:37 PM   #4533
Mile High Salute
Elway's Little Helper
 
Mile High Salute's Avatar
 
Lord of the Rings

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 591

Adopt-a-Bronco:
DT
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KCStud View Post
Here is the WR answer....

"In the four years before adding TO, from 2000-2003, the Eagles went 46-18, making three NFC Championship games. A look at their leading WRs in that time period:

2000 - Chad Lewis (TE) - 735 yards, Charles Johnson - 642 yards
2001 - James Thrash - 833 yards
2002 - Todd Pinkston - 798 yards
2003 - Pinkston - 575 yards, Thrash - 558 yards"
I'm not sure what's more hilarious, 1) the fact that you're admitting the conference title game is the best a Chefs fan can ever hope for even in their wettest dream (i.e. still a failure according to you, at least when applied to the Broncos), or 2) that you think the game hasn't changed at all since 2003 and those stats are remotely relevant.

Tell me, how many 4000-yard passers were there in 2003? What you've proposed is not a formula for success in 2014.
Mile High Salute is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 05:42 PM   #4534
KCStud
Registered User
 
KCStud's Avatar
 
AmeriStanzi!

Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 7,477

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DENVERDUI55 View Post
Reid drafted a few busts at WR during that time. He is very overrated as a QB developer too. Outside of McNabb he developed nobody.
I don't know if you're joking about the QB part or if you're just that stupid.
KCStud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 05:47 PM   #4535
KCStud
Registered User
 
KCStud's Avatar
 
AmeriStanzi!

Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 7,477

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LikeABoss5820 View Post
Does that guaranteed money count against the cap?

No, it doesnt, keep getting owned, troll.
$7.9 million this year-5th highest on the team
$7 million 2015-6th highest on the team
$10 million 2016-4th highest on team

For a broken CB
KCStud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 05:53 PM   #4536
LikeABoss5820
Ring of Famer
 
LikeABoss5820's Avatar
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 11,806

Adopt-a-Bronco:
TJ Ward
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KCStud View Post
$7.9 million this year-5th highest on the team
$7 million 2015-6th highest on the team
$10 million 2016-4th highest on team

For a broken CB
Broken?

Yes, thats the going rate for top-tier CB's these days.

Flowers makes 10 mil this year, point?
LikeABoss5820 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 05:53 PM   #4537
Drunken.Broncoholic2
Pickled in orange & blue
 
Drunken.Broncoholic2's Avatar
 
OnLyNiNjAsCaNrEaDtHiSQuOtE

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Carmel, Ca
Posts: 20,311

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Booker
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KCStud View Post
I don't know if you're joking about the QB part or if you're just that stupid.
Who exactly did he develop into a great player? Can't say players like Kolb etc cause they flat out suck. QBs like Andy hall aj feeley? Alex smith raised his game in SF with Harbaugh. Not sure where I see all these QBs that turned out great. McNabb is all I see.
Drunken.Broncoholic2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 05:56 PM   #4538
LikeABoss5820
Ring of Famer
 
LikeABoss5820's Avatar
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 11,806

Adopt-a-Bronco:
TJ Ward
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic2 View Post
Who exactly did he develop into a great player? Can't say players like Kolb etc cause they flat out suck. QBs like Andy hall aj feeley? Alex smith raised his game in SF with Harbaugh. Not sure where I see all these QBs that turned out great. McNabb is all I see.
This.
LikeABoss5820 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 05:58 PM   #4539
KCStud
Registered User
 
KCStud's Avatar
 
AmeriStanzi!

Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 7,477

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic2 View Post
Who exactly did he develop into a great player? Can't say players like Kolb etc cause they flat out suck. QBs like Andy hall aj feeley? Alex smith raised his game in SF with Harbaugh. Not sure where I see all these QBs that turned out great.
The work he did with Mike Vick and Alex Smith last year speaks volumes. It also speaks volumes that the QB he drafted in Foles is actually good.

Harbaugh is supposably an elite QB coach no? Then why did Reid get so much more out of Alex than Harbuagh? What's sad is that Harbaugh had a far more talented offense to work with than Reid too.

Oh, and Russell Wilson was his #1 target at QB that year. Andy knows what he's doing at that position.

Last edited by KCStud; 05-12-2014 at 06:03 PM..
KCStud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 06:00 PM   #4540
KCStud
Registered User
 
KCStud's Avatar
 
AmeriStanzi!

Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 7,477

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LikeABoss5820 View Post
Broken?

Yes, thats the going rate for top-tier CB's these days.

Flowers makes 10 mil this year, point?
John Dorsey didn't give Brandon Flowers that contract and he's going to fix that problem after this year when we get $7.5 million added to the cap by cutting him next spring.
KCStud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 06:04 PM   #4541
rolandftw
Ring of Famer
 

Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,552

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KCStud View Post
Philly with 226. Wonder who drafted those QB's?
Most of those wins were McNabb, who was taken in a spot, that KC is unlikely to pick (they did 2 years ago, but it took the perfect storm of inept coaching, QB play in the bottom 3 of the NFL and a GM that was so married to the idea of Matt Cassel at QB that he refused to get even a semi competent back up)
rolandftw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 06:09 PM   #4542
rolandftw
Ring of Famer
 

Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,552

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KCStud View Post
Harbaugh is supposably an elite QB coach no? Then why did Reid get so much more out of Alex than Harbuagh? What's sad is that Harbaugh had a far more talented offense to work with than Reid too.
How did KC get so much more out of Alex then what he did in SF? His last full season in SF was very similar.

Also, Harbaugh resurrected Smith's career. Dunno why Reid deserves more credit for basically getting a similar result when Harbaugh had done most of the work as far as changing his game goes.
rolandftw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 06:13 PM   #4543
Drunken.Broncoholic2
Pickled in orange & blue
 
Drunken.Broncoholic2's Avatar
 
OnLyNiNjAsCaNrEaDtHiSQuOtE

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Carmel, Ca
Posts: 20,311

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Booker
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KCStud View Post
The work he did with Mike Vick and Alex Smith last year speaks volumes. It also speaks volumes that the QB he drafted in Foles is actually good.

Harbaugh is supposably an elite QB coach no? Then why did Reid get so much more out of Alex than Harbuagh? What's sad is that Harbaugh had a far more talented offense to work with than Reid too.

Oh, and Russell Wilson was his #1 target at QB that year. Andy knows what he's doing at that position.

Really? This is what you are going with? Sorry but alex smith flat out sucked before Harbaugh. He was back up material at best. Harbaugh comes and elevates his game. His development got him a starting job on another team. Vick? I guess your expectations of what a great QB is is different than mine. He had maybe one good year(2010). Why didnt Reid draft Russell with his first pick if it was his number one target?

Last edited by Drunken.Broncoholic2; 05-12-2014 at 06:20 PM..
Drunken.Broncoholic2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 06:15 PM   #4544
Luke Lucas
Rookie
 
Luke Lucas's Avatar
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 52

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Kcpud please just stop trying to hitch Russell Wilson's success to anything to do with the chorfs. It's just sad. The kfc brass is trying to tone down expectations before OTA's even begin and during fa and the draft the chorfs are a weaker team. The fail will be strong with kfc this year. Get ready for it.
Luke Lucas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 06:25 PM   #4545
DENVERDUI55
Gambling is a SIN^^^^^^
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 10,389

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KCStud View Post
I don't know if you're joking about the QB part or if you're just that stupid.
I'm not. He got one lucky year out of Vick who flamed out down the stretch once teams knew how to defend him. Smith was much better with SF and almost got them to the SB. Until Reid gets to the championship game with Smith you can't claim that Reid go more out of him. Is Foles good or a one hit wonder in Kelly's system?
DENVERDUI55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 06:25 PM   #4546
Drunken.Broncoholic2
Pickled in orange & blue
 
Drunken.Broncoholic2's Avatar
 
OnLyNiNjAsCaNrEaDtHiSQuOtE

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Carmel, Ca
Posts: 20,311

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Booker
Default

Alex smith last full year in SF

3,144 yards 7.1 yards per 61.3% comp. 17 TD 5 int 90.7 QB rating.

Alex smith in KC

3,313 yards 6.5 yards per 60.6% comp. 23 TD 7 Int 89.1 QB rating.



I fail to see a huge difference here.
Drunken.Broncoholic2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 06:30 PM   #4547
mwill07
Ring of Famer
 
mwill07's Avatar
 
Lurker Extraordinaire

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 3,324

Adopt-a-Bronco:
VMFM
Default

Donovan McNabb was the #2 overall pick in the draft. He was a very successful, highly regarded recruit coming out of college. Good on Reid for not spoiling him, I guess, but it's not like he started out with Matt Cassel, Aaron Murray, Ricky Stanzi, or whomever.

Asides from McNabb, yeah he had some success with Vick and Alex Smith (both drafted 1st overall), which is great. And, he got a few good games out of Kevin Kolb, AJ Feeley, etc., but it's not like they ever amounted to anything beyond a handful of games when McNabb was hurt.

Sorry, I'm just not seeing the QB guru.

As to the Eagles winning all of those games - we all know they had a nasty defense back then too. You talk about their 4 straight NFCCG's - well, their scoring D was top 2 3 of those 4 years, and 7th in the other. Reid, of course, was the offensive guy...you might recall this being the handiwork of the late Jim Johnson. Let's not give all this credit to the Eagles passing attack.
mwill07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 06:51 PM   #4548
boppool
Ring of Famer
 
boppool's Avatar
 
Superbowl or bust!

Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Parker, CO
Posts: 1,467

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Peyton Manning
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KCStud View Post
Oh, and Russell Wilson was his #1 target at QB that year. Andy knows what he's doing at that position.
Riiight. That's why Russell lasted until 3rd round. In the third round, Andy drafted Donald Stephenson, a offensive tackle. Wilson was selected right after that pick.
boppool is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 07:18 PM   #4549
Mile High Salute
Elway's Little Helper
 
Mile High Salute's Avatar
 
Lord of the Rings

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 591

Adopt-a-Bronco:
DT
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by boppool View Post
Riiight. That's why Russell lasted until 3rd round. In the third round, Andy drafted Donald Stephenson, a offensive tackle. Wilson was selected right after that pick.
Again, blame it on the jelly donut.
Mile High Salute is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 07:31 PM   #4550
boltaneer
17
 
boltaneer's Avatar
 
ATTA BABY!

Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: America's Finest City
Posts: 4,718
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mwill07 View Post
As to the Eagles winning all of those games - we all know they had a nasty defense back then too. You talk about their 4 straight NFCCG's - well, their scoring D was top 2 3 of those 4 years, and 7th in the other. Reid, of course, was the offensive guy...you might recall this being the handiwork of the late Jim Johnson. Let's not give all this credit to the Eagles passing attack.
Truth.

Jim Johnson's defense carried those Eagle teams. That team started to fall apart after he passed away.
boltaneer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:20 AM.


Denver Broncos