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Old 05-09-2014, 11:40 AM   #4476
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San Diego won a play-off game. Something KC will never do.
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Old 05-09-2014, 11:41 AM   #4477
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San Diego won a play-off game. Something KC will never do.
What was funny yesterday was reading them thinking the Chiefs would draft a QB in the first...that hasn't happened in 31 years. Maybe if John Fottball would have made it they would have....but oh well.
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We have all made fun of the Chargers for that missed opportunity but a fact remains is the question of "Do the Chiefs have a QB that can get them even close to the Super Bowl?" Also, luckily for the Chargers is that they still have their QB and rebounded nicely after sub par performances in 2011-12.

I have no major beef with Smith but I would still get a QB sometime in round 2 or 3. The only way they don't is they the Chiefs' front office doesn't see a QB capable of playing within 2 years and taking over for Smith. Of course another team will probably snag that same QB and make him a playoff star.

I believe Chiefs won't waste a big pick on a QB unless a stud drops to them. They will play it out with Smith and see what happens next draft.
it sure would be nice to have a 2nd round pick right about now, huh?
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Old 05-09-2014, 12:29 PM   #4479
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We have all made fun of the Chargers for that missed opportunity but a fact remains is the question of "Do the Chiefs have a QB that can get them even close to the Super Bowl?" Also, luckily for the Chargers is that they still have their QB and rebounded nicely after sub par performances in 2011-12.

I have no major beef with Smith but I would still get a QB sometime in round 2 or 3. The only way they don't is they the Chiefs' front office doesn't see a QB capable of playing within 2 years and taking over for Smith. Of course another team will probably snag that same QB and make him a playoff star.

I believe Chiefs won't waste a big pick on a QB unless a stud drops to them. They will play it out with Smith and see what happens next draft.
Agreed. QB isn't the deciding factor anymore. It's overall team talent.

Look at what Russell Wilson did vs the Saints in the playoffs. He's a solid QB but not elite by any means.
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Old 05-09-2014, 12:59 PM   #4480
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Agreed. QB isn't the deciding factor anymore. It's overall team talent.

Look at what Russell Wilson did vs the Saints in the playoffs. He's a solid QB but not elite by any means.
That's a horse**** statement.

Wilson, two years in, is still on his growth curve. You could have said the same thing about Tom Brady in 2001. He's elite now.
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Old 05-09-2014, 01:19 PM   #4481
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QB isn't the deciding factor anymore. It's overall team talent.
How many games did you guys win the year you had all those Pro Bowlers?
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Old 05-09-2014, 01:37 PM   #4482
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How many games did you guys win the year you had all those Pro Bowlers?
How did Peyton play against a stacked team with a 3rd rd QB with little playoff experience?
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How did Peyton play against a stacked team with a 3rd rd QB with little playoff experience?
Little playoff experience? The Super Bowl was Wilson's fifth start in the postseason.
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Ford pick isnt bad, he's a good fit in a 3-4 but that doesnt really help them this year barring injury to Hali or Houston.

More of a future pick.

Would of taken Lee or Jimmie Ward if i was KC.
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Little playoff experience? The Super Bowl was Wilson's fifth start in the postseason.
He's a 2nd year QB who didn't light it up in the playoffs. They didn't even need a him to beat the Saints. If you think Alex Smith can't get a team to the SB then you're high.

The notion that you need a franchise QB to have a shot to win the SB has been proven completely wrong.
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How did Peyton play against a stacked team with a 3rd rd QB with little playoff experience?
Would Denver have been in the Super Bowl without him? Has Wilson been playing like a third-rounder?

Stick to a point and debate it or leave already, dude. You change the subject every other post when you claims are challenged.
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Would Denver have been in the Super Bowl without him? Has Wilson been playing like a third-rounder?

Stick to a point and debate it or leave already, dude. You change the subject every other post when you claims are challenged.
Rex Grossman, Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson. None of these guys are franchise caliber elite QB's. Wilson might in time but last year he wasn't.
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Take a look at the winners of the past 15 Super Bowls and their QBs and let me know how often that strategy has panned out.
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He's a 2nd year QB who didn't light it up in the playoffs. They didn't even need a him to beat the Saints. If you think Alex Smith can't get a team to the SB then you're high.

The notion that you need a franchise QB to have a shot to win the SB has been proven completely wrong.
The only time it's been proven wrong is when a team lucks out and builds an out of the world defense and it has only happened a few times in the last 30 years (85 Bears, 90 Giants, 00 Ravens, 02 Bucs). The teams that sustain success in this league for 10-15 years have franchise QBs.

The Seahawks jumped on Saints 23-0 so they didn't ask Wilson to throw. Elway threw for 123 in Denver's SB win that was dominated by a TD. A one-game anomaly doesn't mean anything especially when Wilson had a 385-yard passing, 60-yard rushing and 3 TD performance vs ATL in the playoffs during his rookie season.
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He's a 2nd year QB who didn't light it up in the playoffs. They didn't even need a him to beat the Saints. If you think Alex Smith can't get a team to the SB then you're high.

The notion that you need a franchise QB to have a shot to win the SB has been proven completely wrong.
Pretty sure Wilson is a "franchise QB" and he's going to get better. Yes, it's been proven you don't absolutely have to have an all-pro or HoF QB to win a SB, but it sure helps. The chances of winning a SB increase a lot if you have a great QB.

Here are the QBs for the last 10 SB wins:

Wilson (on the way to being a 'franchise QB')
Flacco (he's being paid like a 'franchise QB' and has won lots of playoff games)
E. Manning (Manning has won 2 titles, is paid like a 'franchise QB')
Rogers ('franchise QB')
Roethlisberger ('franchise QB')
P. Manning ('franchise QB')
Brady ('franchise QB')

So out of the last 10 SBs, you have two HoF QBs, two franchise QBs who have won 2 SBs each in E. Manning and Roethlisberger, and Flacco and Wilson and it's arguable that both are "franchise" QBs as Flacco is getting paid a boat load of money and he's won several playoff games along with a title and Wilson is only in his second year.
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Take a look at the winners of the past 15 Super Bowls and their QBs and let me know how often that strategy has panned out.
Kaepernick
Wilson
Flacco

That's the last 2 years. Times are changing. Hell Eli isn't even a true franchise QB. Look at how awful he played last year? You think he's on his brothers level?
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Chiefs need to worry about getting a play-off game QB before worrying about the super bowl.
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Pretty sure Wilson is a "franchise QB" and he's going to get better. Yes, it's been proven you don't absolutely have to have an all-pro or HoF QB to win a SB, but it sure helps. The chances of winning a SB increase a lot if you have a great QB.

Here are the QBs for the last 10 SB wins:

Wilson (on the way to being a 'franchise QB')
Flacco (he's being paid like a 'franchise QB' and has won lots of playoff games)
E. Manning (Manning has won 2 titles, is paid like a 'franchise QB')
Rogers ('franchise QB')
Roethlisberger ('franchise QB')
P. Manning ('franchise QB')
Brady ('franchise QB')

So out of the last 10 SBs, you have two HoF QBs, two franchise QBs who have won 2 SBs each in E. Manning and Roethlisberger, and Flacco and Wilson and it's arguable that both are "franchise" QBs as Flacco is getting paid a boat load of money and he's won several playoff games along with a title and Wilson is only in his second year.
Cutler is getting paid like a franchise QB. That mean he's one?
Franchise QB's are guys like Brees, Peyton, Rodgers, Brady and Luck.

These other QB's are not on their level and you're high if you think they are.
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Kaepernick
Wilson
Flacco

That's the last 2 years. Times are changing. Hell Eli isn't even a true franchise QB. Look at how awful he played last year? You think he's on his brothers level?
You know what's not changing? The fact that the Chiefs can't win a playoff game.
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You know what's not changing? The fact that the Chiefs can't win a playoff game.
Or the broncos getting bent over in the Super Bowl.
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Cutler is getting paid like a franchise QB. That mean he's one?
Franchise QB's are guys like Brees, Peyton, Rodgers, Brady and Luck.

These other QB's are not on their level and you're high if you think they are.
Flacco has nine career playoff wins and had at least one playoff win in each of his first five seasons. He had an 11:0 touchdown- to-INT ratio on the 2012 playoffs. That's franchise to me especially when a first round pick was used to draft him.
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Or the broncos getting bent over in the Super Bowl.
It's cute that you think this is a comeback. The Broncos won two Super Bowls more recently than your team won a playoff game.
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If you think Alex Smith can get a team to the SB then you're high.
Fixed.
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Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson. None of these guys are franchise caliber elite QB's. Wilson might in time but last year he wasn't.
Let's add Alex Smith to your list of Kaepernick and Wilson. One of these is not like the others.
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Take a look at the winners of the past 15 Super Bowls and their QBs and let me know how often that strategy has panned out.
Let's also take a look at the Chiefs QB strategy for the past 20 years and see how that has panned out.
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