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Old 05-09-2014, 10:49 AM   #4451
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Kansas City Chiefs: Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn: D Grade
Ugh. The Chiefs have not been drafting well in this new regime. Their class last year was Eric Fisher (who struggled), Travis Kelce, Knile Davis and Nico Johnson. They dealt this year's second for mediocre Alex Smith. And now they're taking a second-round prospect who fills a minimal need. Things are not looking very bright in Kansas City.

There's no doubt that Ford is a reach. The Chiefs could have moved down and still picked him. Ford also won't start anytime soon with Tamba Hali and Justin Houston in front of him. This is the worst pick of the first round thus far, but at least it's not on a Millen level.

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Old 05-09-2014, 11:02 AM   #4452
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That was in response to the Chargers fan. The fact that they had that much talent for years and didn't make a Super Bowl is flat out embarrassing.
Oh, it's disappointing for sure but there were many mistakes made by ownership/management that contributed to that. Rivers has carried this team despite those mistakes. The point is, they had a real chance all those years because of the QB.

Meanwhile, the Chiefs will trot out Alex Smith for another year of mediocre football. They won't be picking in the top 10 but won't be a real contender for the Super Bowl either. Wash, rinse, repeat for how many years now?

This is something that goes beyond management because they've had multiple GMs over the years yet they never make a real attempt to go for the gold.

The Browns may yet have another bust with Johnny Football but at least they had the balls to take that risk again.
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I'm pretty sure KCStud and your own team's failings just proved how pointless franchise QBs are, boltaneer.

Get with the program.
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Old 05-09-2014, 11:08 AM   #4454
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So the greatest defense in the league history just got a Von Miller clone?

Yikes no excuses if they don't dominate this year
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Old 05-09-2014, 11:20 AM   #4455
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So the greatest defense in the league history just got a Von Miller clone?

Yikes no excuses if they don't dominate this year
Depends on which part of Von Miller got cloned.
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Old 05-09-2014, 11:24 AM   #4456
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Oh, it's disappointing for sure but there were many mistakes made by ownership/management that contributed to that. Rivers has carried this team despite those mistakes. The point is, they had a real chance all those years because of the QB.

Meanwhile, the Chiefs will trot out Alex Smith for another year of mediocre football. They won't be picking in the top 10 but won't be a real contender for the Super Bowl either. Wash, rinse, repeat for how many years now?

This is something that goes beyond management because they've had multiple GMs over the years yet they never make a real attempt to go for the gold.

The Browns may yet have another bust with Johnny Football but at least they had the balls to take that risk again.
Alex Smith sure didn't look mediocre at the end of the year. What does it say that the Chiefs are supposedly mediocre and yet the mighty Chargers struggled massively to beat our B team in a game you absolutely had to win?
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I have recently decided that I will no longer be referring to the Chiefs and Raiders as different teams. To me the are the exact same franchises, doing the exact same dumb things exhibiting the same behavior. I haven't decided if I'll be calling them the Chieders or the Raidefs.
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Old 05-09-2014, 11:35 AM   #4458
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Alex Smith sure didn't look mediocre at the end of the year. What does it say that the Chiefs are supposedly mediocre and yet the mighty Chargers struggled massively to beat our B team in a game you absolutely had to win?
Well it sounds like they beat them.
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Old 05-09-2014, 11:37 AM   #4459
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That was in response to the Chargers fan. The fact that they had that much talent for years and didn't make a Super Bowl is flat out embarrassing.
We have all made fun of the Chargers for that missed opportunity but a fact remains is the question of "Do the Chiefs have a QB that can get them even close to the Super Bowl?" Also, luckily for the Chargers is that they still have their QB and rebounded nicely after sub par performances in 2011-12.

I have no major beef with Smith but I would still get a QB sometime in round 2 or 3. The only way they don't is they the Chiefs' front office doesn't see a QB capable of playing within 2 years and taking over for Smith. Of course another team will probably snag that same QB and make him a playoff star.

I believe Chiefs won't waste a big pick on a QB unless a stud drops to them. They will play it out with Smith and see what happens next draft.
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San Diego won a play-off game. Something KC will never do.
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San Diego won a play-off game. Something KC will never do.
What was funny yesterday was reading them thinking the Chiefs would draft a QB in the first...that hasn't happened in 31 years. Maybe if John Fottball would have made it they would have....but oh well.
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We have all made fun of the Chargers for that missed opportunity but a fact remains is the question of "Do the Chiefs have a QB that can get them even close to the Super Bowl?" Also, luckily for the Chargers is that they still have their QB and rebounded nicely after sub par performances in 2011-12.

I have no major beef with Smith but I would still get a QB sometime in round 2 or 3. The only way they don't is they the Chiefs' front office doesn't see a QB capable of playing within 2 years and taking over for Smith. Of course another team will probably snag that same QB and make him a playoff star.

I believe Chiefs won't waste a big pick on a QB unless a stud drops to them. They will play it out with Smith and see what happens next draft.
it sure would be nice to have a 2nd round pick right about now, huh?
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We have all made fun of the Chargers for that missed opportunity but a fact remains is the question of "Do the Chiefs have a QB that can get them even close to the Super Bowl?" Also, luckily for the Chargers is that they still have their QB and rebounded nicely after sub par performances in 2011-12.

I have no major beef with Smith but I would still get a QB sometime in round 2 or 3. The only way they don't is they the Chiefs' front office doesn't see a QB capable of playing within 2 years and taking over for Smith. Of course another team will probably snag that same QB and make him a playoff star.

I believe Chiefs won't waste a big pick on a QB unless a stud drops to them. They will play it out with Smith and see what happens next draft.
Agreed. QB isn't the deciding factor anymore. It's overall team talent.

Look at what Russell Wilson did vs the Saints in the playoffs. He's a solid QB but not elite by any means.
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Agreed. QB isn't the deciding factor anymore. It's overall team talent.

Look at what Russell Wilson did vs the Saints in the playoffs. He's a solid QB but not elite by any means.
That's a horse**** statement.

Wilson, two years in, is still on his growth curve. You could have said the same thing about Tom Brady in 2001. He's elite now.
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QB isn't the deciding factor anymore. It's overall team talent.
How many games did you guys win the year you had all those Pro Bowlers?
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How many games did you guys win the year you had all those Pro Bowlers?
How did Peyton play against a stacked team with a 3rd rd QB with little playoff experience?
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How did Peyton play against a stacked team with a 3rd rd QB with little playoff experience?
Little playoff experience? The Super Bowl was Wilson's fifth start in the postseason.
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Ford pick isnt bad, he's a good fit in a 3-4 but that doesnt really help them this year barring injury to Hali or Houston.

More of a future pick.

Would of taken Lee or Jimmie Ward if i was KC.
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Little playoff experience? The Super Bowl was Wilson's fifth start in the postseason.
He's a 2nd year QB who didn't light it up in the playoffs. They didn't even need a him to beat the Saints. If you think Alex Smith can't get a team to the SB then you're high.

The notion that you need a franchise QB to have a shot to win the SB has been proven completely wrong.
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How did Peyton play against a stacked team with a 3rd rd QB with little playoff experience?
Would Denver have been in the Super Bowl without him? Has Wilson been playing like a third-rounder?

Stick to a point and debate it or leave already, dude. You change the subject every other post when you claims are challenged.
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Would Denver have been in the Super Bowl without him? Has Wilson been playing like a third-rounder?

Stick to a point and debate it or leave already, dude. You change the subject every other post when you claims are challenged.
Rex Grossman, Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson. None of these guys are franchise caliber elite QB's. Wilson might in time but last year he wasn't.
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Take a look at the winners of the past 15 Super Bowls and their QBs and let me know how often that strategy has panned out.
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He's a 2nd year QB who didn't light it up in the playoffs. They didn't even need a him to beat the Saints. If you think Alex Smith can't get a team to the SB then you're high.

The notion that you need a franchise QB to have a shot to win the SB has been proven completely wrong.
The only time it's been proven wrong is when a team lucks out and builds an out of the world defense and it has only happened a few times in the last 30 years (85 Bears, 90 Giants, 00 Ravens, 02 Bucs). The teams that sustain success in this league for 10-15 years have franchise QBs.

The Seahawks jumped on Saints 23-0 so they didn't ask Wilson to throw. Elway threw for 123 in Denver's SB win that was dominated by a TD. A one-game anomaly doesn't mean anything especially when Wilson had a 385-yard passing, 60-yard rushing and 3 TD performance vs ATL in the playoffs during his rookie season.
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He's a 2nd year QB who didn't light it up in the playoffs. They didn't even need a him to beat the Saints. If you think Alex Smith can't get a team to the SB then you're high.

The notion that you need a franchise QB to have a shot to win the SB has been proven completely wrong.
Pretty sure Wilson is a "franchise QB" and he's going to get better. Yes, it's been proven you don't absolutely have to have an all-pro or HoF QB to win a SB, but it sure helps. The chances of winning a SB increase a lot if you have a great QB.

Here are the QBs for the last 10 SB wins:

Wilson (on the way to being a 'franchise QB')
Flacco (he's being paid like a 'franchise QB' and has won lots of playoff games)
E. Manning (Manning has won 2 titles, is paid like a 'franchise QB')
Rogers ('franchise QB')
Roethlisberger ('franchise QB')
P. Manning ('franchise QB')
Brady ('franchise QB')

So out of the last 10 SBs, you have two HoF QBs, two franchise QBs who have won 2 SBs each in E. Manning and Roethlisberger, and Flacco and Wilson and it's arguable that both are "franchise" QBs as Flacco is getting paid a boat load of money and he's won several playoff games along with a title and Wilson is only in his second year.
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Take a look at the winners of the past 15 Super Bowls and their QBs and let me know how often that strategy has panned out.
Kaepernick
Wilson
Flacco

That's the last 2 years. Times are changing. Hell Eli isn't even a true franchise QB. Look at how awful he played last year? You think he's on his brothers level?
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