Elway said, Tebow said. Who is lying about the J E T S? - The Orange Mane

Blart · 03-22-2012, 02:23 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-jets/#respond

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On Wednesday, multiple reports indicated that the Broncos were allowing quarterback Tim Tebow to choose between the Jets and the Jaguars. After the trade went down, Tebow claimed otherwise.

In a late-night media conference call, Tebow said that he “didn’t have any [say]” in his destination, and that the Broncos had “all that power.”

Broncos V.P. of football operations John Elway begs to differ.

“There was more [offered] from Jacksonville, but I think that we looked at it and it was close enough, and we were in contact with Tim throughout the day, and talked to him,” Elway told ESPN Radio in Denver on Thursday, via Lindsay Jones of the Denver Post. “He knew what was going on the whole time. The reports that he was not involved are not accurate.”

It’s more than “reports” that Tebow wasn’t involved. Tebow said so himself.

And here’s one of the benefits of having an image of devout faith and overt acts of charity and stubborn chastity. Folks who enjoy such an image can get away with a periodic whopper, and no one will think that they are stretching the truth.

Even if they possibly are.

Regardless of the truth, Tebow has no reason to say he chose the Jets over the Jaguars. If things don’t work out in New York, where the owner, the coaching staff, and the front office want him, Tebow eventually could go to Jacksonville, where the current owner always will.

Why spoil an eventual homecoming by alienating the hometown crowd now?

I believe Tebow has more to gain by lying.

Agamemnon · 03-22-2012, 02:26 PM

Who has a proven history of lying? Hint: it's not Tebow.

sirhcyennek81 · 03-22-2012, 02:26 PM

Meh. TT is gone. No point getting upset about this, IMO.

Rabb · 03-22-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Meh. TT is gone. No point getting upset about this, IMO.

yep

Gort · 03-22-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Blart

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-jets/#respond
I believe Tebow has more to gain by lying.

if you read closely, there's a bit of lawyer speak involved. it's absolutely true that the Broncos had all the power. Tebow can't trade himself. it can also be true that Tebow was involved without picking the team.

in the end, i think you'll find that every side involved will be able to parse the language and claim that they were 100% truthful.

it doesn't really matter though. if JAX really wanted him, they had every chance to make a better deal and can still make a deal with NYJ. i don't see any way that the JAX organization can claim that he spurned them, if that's what they're claiming.

jhns · 03-22-2012, 02:27 PM

This article only exists because the reporter is a moron. Notice how he couldn't write this story with all of Tebows quote? The full one I saw didn't say anything about Tebow not being involved. The quote this writter took a few words from, was something like: "ultimately, they had final say in where I went", or something close. He didn't say he wasn't involved. He said the final decision theirs.

Blart · 03-22-2012, 02:28 PM

If it's lawyer speak, he did a good job placating his hometown. And if he did make the choice, it was the right one. Wildcat will suit TT well

SonOfLe-loLang · 03-22-2012, 02:29 PM

I don't think Timmy is too much of an attention whore, but i get the idea that his brother is...and his brother pulls a lot of strings with Tim. His brand can expand ten fold in NYC. I don't see why Elway would lie about this.

uplink · 03-22-2012, 02:29 PM

I believe alot of quotes are coming from Tebow's brother, not Tebow himself. The one about liking Rex on hard knocks was from his brothers mouth I saw the interview on TV.

CEH · 03-22-2012, 02:32 PM

Robby Tebow is a leach. Sounds like Tebow didn't think the coaches in JAX were 100% behind him. He just came from that situation. Why go back even if its he hometown

baja · 03-22-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoIsJohnGalt

if you read closely, there's a bit of lawyer speak involved. it's absolutely true that the Broncos had all the power. Tebow can't trade himself. it can also be true that Tebow was involved without picking the team.

in the end, i think you'll find that every side involved will be able to parse the language and claim that they were 100% truthful.

it doesn't really matter though. if JAX really wanted him, they had every chance to make a better deal and can still make a deal with NYJ. i don't see any way that the JAX organization can claim that he spurned them, if that's what they're claiming.

This is what I think too

Tebow has proved himself quite the word smith (He'll need it in NYC) He is careful to not burn bridges, past and future. Besides I think he would have chosen NYJ's anyway.

bpc · 03-22-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Blart

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-jets/#respond
I believe Tebow has more to gain by lying.

I think somebody has an axe to grind on Tebow. Tebow didn't hold any cards. Never has. The kids works his ass off and led us to a division championship and Playoff win. Doesn't seem like the lying type. We should just nip that in the butt.

bronco militia · 03-22-2012, 02:44 PM

translation: Tebow left it up to his agent

yawn...

BigPlayShay · 03-22-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Who has a proven history of lying? Hint: it's not Tebow.

Tebow lied about what he said to Woody Paige in Training Camp regarding having the starting job taken away from him.

UberBroncoMan · 03-22-2012, 02:48 PM

Wish we traded him to the Jags. Would have been better.

That said, there's going to be 100x more drama from him going to the Jets and to a division where there's a team that already excels at stopping him (New England) thanks in large part to the Wildcat being prevalent in that division on account of Miami all those years.

AFC South and Jaguars would have been the best thing to happen to Tebow the player. Oh well.

{popcorn}

Agamemnon · 03-22-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BigPlayShay

Tebow lied about what he said to Woody Paige in Training Camp regarding having the starting job taken away from him.

He did? How do you know this?

Garcia Bronco · 03-22-2012, 02:53 PM

He's not entitled to decide...so there you go. Welcome to contract life.

baja · 03-22-2012, 02:56 PM

Actually, if you think about it, Elway threw Tim under the bus by saying publicly It was Tim's decision which team he went to.

Rohirrim · 03-22-2012, 03:00 PM

Damn! I guess Tim just threw Elway under the bus with his lies, eh? That's a shame.

R8R H8R · 03-22-2012, 03:02 PM

I really don't know why people are making a big deal out of this. Even if you buy into the fact that he lied, and I don't, it was more in the "white lie" category, because he didn't want to say that he would rather go to a team and coaching staff that values him more, because he knew that the Jags were doing it strictly for the owner. He also doesn't want Florida fans to think he is dissing them.

Here's an analogy for you:

When your wife or girlfriend asks you if the dress she just put on makes her butt look big, you had better know the answer to that and tell the white lie.
Same thing here.

CEH · 03-22-2012, 03:03 PM

Schefter reported that Tim had a say in where he wanted to do, and Schefter reported that Tim didn't feel the Jaguars wanted him as much as NY did. So according to Schefter, Tim DID choose the NYJ over Jacksonville.

Broncos_OTM · 03-22-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan

Wish we traded him to the Jags. Would have been better.

That said, there's going to be 100x more drama from him going to the Jets and to a division where there's a team that already excels at stopping him (New England) thanks in large part to the Wildcat being prevalent in that division on account of Miami all those years.

AFC South and Jaguars would have been the best thing to happen to Tebow the player. Oh well.

{popcorn}

that whole division faced that offense as well

Pendejo · 03-22-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CEH

Schefter reported that Tim had a say in where he wanted to do, and Schefter reported that Tim didn't feel the Jaguars wanted him as much as NY did. So according to Schefter, Tim DID choose the NYJ over Jacksonville.

I heard the audio of the interview on ESPN. Tebow said the Donks were constantly in touch with his agent throughout the process, but was careful to insist that he didn't have "final" say. The interview corroborates what Elway said. Tebow is being a politician...which others in this thread figured.

There was no lie from either side. Just an over-saturation of media coverage. And some fun with words.

baja · 03-22-2012, 03:19 PM

What did you expect Tebow to say anyway, "Ya I picked the most challenging locker room and media in the NFL because I hate those NASCAR loving rednecks in the South."

sazwaz · 03-22-2012, 03:23 PM

There's a difference between picking between Jax and Jets BEFORE the trade was announced, and 8 hours later after things got messed up. I think Denver picked Jets without asking Tim, then when it stalled and Jax got into the mix and upped their offer Broncos go - "So Tim, totally your choice". Tim would look bad either way, and Denver gets to look like they were accommodating. Everything I've read, his "choice" was during the latter scenario.

Sounds like Tim has accepted it and moved on. Now let's get some damn DTs.

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03-22-2012, 02:26 PM	#2
Agamemnon Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 10,679 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Who has a proven history of lying? Hint: it's not Tebow.

03-22-2012, 02:26 PM	#3
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,772 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	Meh. TT is gone. No point getting upset about this, IMO.

03-22-2012, 02:27 PM	#6
jhns I'm all up in your face but you still can't C me! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Omaha Posts: 12,405 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	This article only exists because the reporter is a moron. Notice how he couldn't write this story with all of Tebows quote? The full one I saw didn't say anything about Tebow not being involved. The quote this writter took a few words from, was something like: "ultimately, they had final say in where I went", or something close. He didn't say he wasn't involved. He said the final decision theirs.

03-22-2012, 02:28 PM	#7
Blart I'm gay for the Broncos! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 2,588 Adopt-a-Bronco: All @ same time	If it's lawyer speak, he did a good job placating his hometown. And if he did make the choice, it was the right one. Wildcat will suit TT well

03-22-2012, 02:29 PM	#8
SonOfLe-loLang Young Buck Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 13,434 Adopt-a-Bronco: Thunder (RIP)	I don't think Timmy is too much of an attention whore, but i get the idea that his brother is...and his brother pulls a lot of strings with Tim. His brand can expand ten fold in NYC. I don't see why Elway would lie about this.

03-22-2012, 02:29 PM	#9
uplink Ring of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,819	I believe alot of quotes are coming from Tebow's brother, not Tebow himself. The one about liking Rex on hard knocks was from his brothers mouth I saw the interview on TV.

03-22-2012, 02:32 PM	#10
CEH Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,232	Robby Tebow is a leach. Sounds like Tebow didn't think the coaches in JAX were 100% behind him. He just came from that situation. Why go back even if its he hometown

03-22-2012, 02:44 PM	#13
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,716	translation: Tebow left it up to his agent yawn...

03-22-2012, 02:48 PM	#15
UberBroncoMan Your Local Nostradamus 2013... the year of Sci-Fi! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,599 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	Wish we traded him to the Jags. Would have been better. That said, there's going to be 100x more drama from him going to the Jets and to a division where there's a team that already excels at stopping him (New England) thanks in large part to the Wildcat being prevalent in that division on account of Miami all those years. AFC South and Jaguars would have been the best thing to happen to Tebow the player. Oh well. {popcorn}

03-22-2012, 02:53 PM	#17
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 46,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	He's not entitled to decide...so there you go. Welcome to contract life.

03-22-2012, 02:56 PM	#18
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: in a bunker Posts: 54,394 Adopt-a-Bronco: Julius Thomas	Actually, if you think about it, Elway threw Tim under the bus by saying publicly It was Tim's decision which team he went to.

03-22-2012, 03:00 PM	#19
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 49,113	Damn! I guess Tim just threw Elway under the bus with his lies, eh? That's a shame.

03-22-2012, 03:02 PM	#20
R8R H8R Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Exiled in So. Cal. Posts: 1,693 Adopt-a-Bronco: Virgil Green	I really don't know why people are making a big deal out of this. Even if you buy into the fact that he lied, and I don't, it was more in the "white lie" category, because he didn't want to say that he would rather go to a team and coaching staff that values him more, because he knew that the Jags were doing it strictly for the owner. He also doesn't want Florida fans to think he is dissing them. Here's an analogy for you: When your wife or girlfriend asks you if the dress she just put on makes her butt look big, you had better know the answer to that and tell the white lie. Same thing here.

03-22-2012, 03:03 PM	#21
CEH Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,232	Schefter reported that Tim had a say in where he wanted to do, and Schefter reported that Tim didn't feel the Jaguars wanted him as much as NY did. So according to Schefter, Tim DID choose the NYJ over Jacksonville.

03-22-2012, 03:19 PM	#24
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: in a bunker Posts: 54,394 Adopt-a-Bronco: Julius Thomas	What did you expect Tebow to say anyway, "Ya I picked the most challenging locker room and media in the NFL because I hate those NASCAR loving rednecks in the South."

03-22-2012, 03:23 PM	#25
sazwaz Just Drafted Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 13	There's a difference between picking between Jax and Jets BEFORE the trade was announced, and 8 hours later after things got messed up. I think Denver picked Jets without asking Tim, then when it stalled and Jax got into the mix and upped their offer Broncos go - "So Tim, totally your choice". Tim would look bad either way, and Denver gets to look like they were accommodating. Everything I've read, his "choice" was during the latter scenario. Sounds like Tim has accepted it and moved on. Now let's get some damn DTs.