CB thread - The Orange Mane

MABroncoFan · 03-22-2012, 07:35 AM

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We're in the final 4 for Gay.

I assume it's either him or Porter ... not both?

Ray Finkle · 03-22-2012, 07:36 AM

Porter's the target, they are waiting to see if he is suspended first.

MABroncoFan · 03-22-2012, 07:43 AM

I read the player discipline might not come down for a while. I can't imagine Gay will wait around that long to decide.

Elway 4 Life · 03-22-2012, 07:51 AM

I'm ok with waiting for Porter. Gay as well as the entire Steeler secondary is overated. They are a product of a great front seven.

g6matty · 03-22-2012, 07:56 AM

to piggy back off elway 4 life i agree they benefit from a great pass rush but i think the plan is to get our front 7 just as good

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ive heard that only team captain will be penalized from the saints bounty scandal. leaving porter off the hook. i also really doubt he had much to do with it hes a small speedy corner i dont think hes ever been accused of anything and would love to have him on our team.

Beantown Bronco · 03-22-2012, 07:58 AM

I'm not sure why they don't offer Porter a contract today, with some clause built in to negate it or at least negate some of the signing bonus if he's suspended. People do it all the time.

cmhargrove · 03-22-2012, 08:04 AM

It would be awesome if we could sign either one of these guys, it would take a huge amount of pressure off this year's draft. I feel like our first round pick is too low to get us a top corner, and too high for the second tier.

If I look at what is in our range, I really like the upside of Stephon Gilmore from South Carolina, but I think he goes in the first 10 picks of round 2. If there were a trading partner there (or we could move up for him by kicking in our extra fourth rounder), I think he would be worth it.

BroncoBen · 03-22-2012, 08:13 AM

Bringing in William Gay may mean the end of Andre Goodman as a Bronco... I believe Goodman cap hit to keep him may be too high.. plus he is getting long in the tooth what 11 years in the NFL.

g6matty · 03-22-2012, 08:14 AM

if kirkpatrick falls to 20 we need to move up and grab him

uplink · 03-22-2012, 08:55 AM

I think Stephon Gilmore is very likely the pick at #25 for the broncos. The top 3 rated CBs will be gone by then.

cmhargrove · 03-22-2012, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by uplink

I think Stephon Gilmore is very likely the pick at #25 for the broncos. The top 3 rated CBs will be gone by then.

I also believe that Gilmore has a great amount of upside. With some good coaching, he can be an extremely good #1 corner in the future. Big, physical, fast kid that should only get better.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 03-22-2012, 10:18 AM

I don't see Kirkpatrick getting past 20. Slim pickins at CB after Claiborne. Jenkins might fall if he buys a bong in the next month.

Bmore Manning · 03-22-2012, 10:24 AM

I would only advocate Porter.. Goodman can be replaced.

MABroncoFan · 03-22-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by uplink

I think Stephon Gilmore is very likely the pick at #25 for the broncos. The top 3 rated CBs will be gone by then.

I thought that until Bunkley left town

Tombstone RJ · 03-22-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

I'm not sure why they don't offer Porter a contract today, with some clause built in to negate it or at least negate some of the signing bonus if he's suspended. People do it all the time.

this. You can write a contract that says null and void should he get suspended, or that you don't have to pay him for the games he's suspended.

Lestat · 03-22-2012, 10:35 AM

with the way the game is now i don't see Kirkpatrick nor Jenkins slipping past #23. too many teams are seeing the Pats TE's and wanting to be able to give single coverage to their WR's and hope that they can have their front 7 resemble the Giants.

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

I don't see Kirkpatrick getting past 20. Slim pickins at CB after Claiborne. Jenkins might fall if he buys a bong in the next month.

Lestat · 03-22-2012, 10:36 AM

you still have to give him guaranteed bonus money and i bet you that's the hold up more than anything. they don't want to sign him to a nice deal, fork over a nice chunk of dough and then have him sit for a few games.
you can't say you didn't know it wasn't possible so you can't take it back.

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

this. You can write a contract that says null and void should he get suspended, or that you don't have to pay him for the games he's suspended.

Shananahan · 03-22-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Jenkins might fall if he buys a bong in the next month.

Jenkins strikes me as a blunt smoker.

Tombstone RJ · 03-22-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lestat

you still have to give him guaranteed bonus money and i bet you that's the hold up more than anything. they don't want to sign him to a nice deal, fork over a nice chunk of dough and then have him sit for a few games.
you can't say you didn't know it wasn't possible so you can't take it back.

I know he wants $ up front so tell him the contract will begin after the final decision is made on any suspension, however, there is an agreement in principle.

ScottXray · 03-22-2012, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lestat

you still have to give him guaranteed bonus money and i bet you that's the hold up more than anything. they don't want to sign him to a nice deal, fork over a nice chunk of dough and then have him sit for a few games.
you can't say you didn't know it wasn't possible so you can't take it back.

Well you can clause it that the bonus money is only partially paid until any suspension decision is made, and then have the final bonus paid only if he is not suspended.. Legalese can cover any eventuallity.

Lestat · 03-22-2012, 10:49 AM

he'll just leverage that with another team and use it as the frame work to get a better deal(for him in terms of protection against a potential suspension).
no agent would let their client sign that when they're up for their first big payday.

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

I know he wants $ up front so tell him the contract will begin after the final decision is made on any suspension, however, there is an agreement in principle.

Tombstone RJ · 03-22-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Lestat

he'll just leverage that with another team and use it as the frame work to get a better deal(for him in terms of protection against a potential suspension).
no agent would let their client sign that when they're up for their first big payday.

You're probably right but what other team will give him any $ upfront knowing he might get suspended? That's like flushing $ down the toilet. If another team does that, so be it.

Lestat · 03-22-2012, 10:54 AM

it only takes one idiot to set the market. i didn't think Bunk would get 25 mil, didn't see Garcon getting 42, one team that has a clear need and willingness to pay and receive rather than balk and lose out on is all that is needed.

cause that team might be thinking his price tag is x amount of money and he shows them a offer from Denver that lower than their expectations so they fork it over willingly.

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

You're probably right but what other team will give him any $ upfront knowing he might get suspended? That's like flushing $ down the toilet. If another team does that, so be it.

Beantown Bronco · 03-22-2012, 10:59 AM

Lestat,

If we're going to get outbid for him, we're going to get outbid for him. I'd rather know that now, then weeks down the road or whenever Goodell gets around to making the announcement. There's no benefit to waiting if you want the guy and know what you'd be willing to pay for him (again, if he's not suspended).

Lestat · 03-22-2012, 11:12 AM

you're addressing the wrong guy. i'm advocating that we sign him now.
my other posts were counterpoints to tombstone saying we can offer him a highly team favorable contract where we get a lot of protection if he was suspended(which his agent wouldn't let him do, nor should he)

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Lestat,

If we're going to get outbid for him, we're going to get outbid for him. I'd rather know that now, then weeks down the road or whenever Goodell gets around to making the announcement. There's no benefit to waiting if you want the guy and know what you'd be willing to pay for him (again, if he's not suspended).

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03-22-2012, 07:35 AM	#1
MABroncoFan Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,099 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eric Decker	CB thread http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescri...s/Default.aspx We're in the final 4 for Gay. I assume it's either him or Porter ... not both?

03-22-2012, 07:36 AM	#2
Ray Finkle DOOONNNTTTTT CAAARRREEE! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 7,406	Porter's the target, they are waiting to see if he is suspended first.

03-22-2012, 07:43 AM	#3
MABroncoFan Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,099 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eric Decker	I read the player discipline might not come down for a while. I can't imagine Gay will wait around that long to decide.

03-22-2012, 07:51 AM	#4
Elway 4 Life Pass rushers apply here! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 1,806 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I'm ok with waiting for Porter. Gay as well as the entire Steeler secondary is overated. They are a product of a great front seven.

03-22-2012, 07:56 AM	#5
g6matty Pro Bowler "i had dreams of confetti..." Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 742	to piggy back off elway 4 life i agree they benefit from a great pass rush but i think the plan is to get our front 7 just as good . ive heard that only team captain will be penalized from the saints bounty scandal. leaving porter off the hook. i also really doubt he had much to do with it hes a small speedy corner i dont think hes ever been accused of anything and would love to have him on our team.

03-22-2012, 07:58 AM	#6
Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 19,040 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	I'm not sure why they don't offer Porter a contract today, with some clause built in to negate it or at least negate some of the signing bonus if he's suspended. People do it all the time.

03-22-2012, 08:04 AM	#7
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,405 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	It would be awesome if we could sign either one of these guys, it would take a huge amount of pressure off this year's draft. I feel like our first round pick is too low to get us a top corner, and too high for the second tier. If I look at what is in our range, I really like the upside of Stephon Gilmore from South Carolina, but I think he goes in the first 10 picks of round 2. If there were a trading partner there (or we could move up for him by kicking in our extra fourth rounder), I think he would be worth it.

03-22-2012, 08:13 AM	#8
BroncoBen Ring of Famer 38-35 double-overtime loss to Balt Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,464	Bringing in William Gay may mean the end of Andre Goodman as a Bronco... I believe Goodman cap hit to keep him may be too high.. plus he is getting long in the tooth what 11 years in the NFL.

03-22-2012, 08:14 AM	#9
g6matty Pro Bowler "i had dreams of confetti..." Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 742	if kirkpatrick falls to 20 we need to move up and grab him

03-22-2012, 08:55 AM	#10
uplink Ring of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,813	I think Stephon Gilmore is very likely the pick at #25 for the broncos. The top 3 rated CBs will be gone by then.

03-22-2012, 10:18 AM	#12
Drunken.Broncoholic Steppin on feet Pickled in Orange and Blue Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Carmel Ca Posts: 6,238 Adopt-a-Bronco: LeLo Lang	I don't see Kirkpatrick getting past 20. Slim pickins at CB after Claiborne. Jenkins might fall if he buys a bong in the next month.

03-22-2012, 10:24 AM	#13
Bmore Manning Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,719 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I would only advocate Porter.. Goodman can be replaced.

03-22-2012, 10:59 AM	#24
Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 19,040 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	Lestat, If we're going to get outbid for him, we're going to get outbid for him. I'd rather know that now, then weeks down the road or whenever Goodell gets around to making the announcement. There's no benefit to waiting if you want the guy and know what you'd be willing to pay for him (again, if he's not suspended).