We'll be lucky to get KC/Montana-like stats out of Peyton - The Orange Mane

Pontius Pirate · 03-19-2012, 10:16 AM

Let's be realistic here, Peyton will be a shadow of his former self. Dude's been out of football for over a year due to health issues (not out +1 year because he killed dogs). We face a very real possibility of him not even making it a full year. All I'm saying is - we've all seen this type of QB excitement in Denver before as soon as a QB is signed - only to be let down later. Let's keep expectations low, so we can be pleasantly surprised later.

Montana's last two years on KC produced this (let's expect around the same from Peyton):

Year Team GP Att Com Pct Yds TD Int Rating
1993 Kansas City Chiefs 11 298 181 60.7 2,144 13 7 87.4
1994 Kansas City Chiefs 14 493 299 60.6 3,283 16 9 83.6

Peoples Champ · 03-19-2012, 10:18 AM

we will be lucky to get elway like stats after age 35, two rings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lolcopter · 03-19-2012, 10:18 AM

Tl;dr

Different game

WolfpackGuy · 03-19-2012, 10:19 AM

At least Marty isn't the coach.

Al Wilson · 03-19-2012, 10:23 AM

What a ****ing retarded thread. Seriously, after all the exams, and team physical, and the workouts, you actually think that he is not capable of playing up to his old ability. Why would Elway go after him just because of his name if he knew he can't play like before? Stop it already with stupid threads like these. If Elway knew this guy is incapable of playing at an MVP level then he wouldn't go after him. PERIOD.

Welcome to Denver Manning !!!!!!

kappys · 03-19-2012, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Wilson

What a ****ing retarded thread. Seriously, after all the exams, and team physical, and the workouts, you actually think that he is not capable of playing up to his old ability. Why would Elway go after him just because of his name if he knew he can't play like before? Stop it already with stupid threads like these. If Elway knew this guy is incapable of playing at an MVP level then he wouldn't go after him. PERIOD.

Welcome to Denver Manning !!!!!!

Elway staking his reputation as a VP on Peyton Manning? Probably a smart move.

Beantown Bronco · 03-19-2012, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pontius Pirate

Montana's last two years on KC produced this (let's expect around the same from Peyton):

Year Team GP Att Com Pct Yds TD Int Rating
1993 Kansas City Chiefs 11 298 181 60.7 2,144 13 7 87.4
1994 Kansas City Chiefs 14 493 299 60.6 3,283 16 9 83.6

If those are the kind of numbers we wanted, we could've just stuck with Tebow.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 03-19-2012, 10:25 AM

Someone needs to insert a tampon in the OPs mouth

Pontius Pirate · 03-19-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Wilson

What a ****ing retarded thread. Seriously, after all the exams, and team physical, and the workouts, you actually think that he is not capable of playing up to his old ability. Why would Carl Peterson go after him just because of his name if he knew he can't play like before? Stop it already with stupid threads like these. If Peterson knew this guy is incapable of playing at an MVP level then he wouldn't go after him. PERIOD.

Welcome to KC Montana !!!!!!

fixed it

barryr · 03-19-2012, 10:34 AM

Well, it is up to the Broncos who convinced Manning they can and will build a contending team to start doing so and surround him with better talent. Manning at this stage of his career can not be expected to carry this team, so others on in all phases on this team need to step up. That especially means Clady.

BroncoMan4ever · 03-19-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pontius Pirate

Let's be realistic here, Peyton will be a shadow of his former self. Dude's been out of football for over a year due to health issues (not out +1 year because he killed dogs). We face a very real possibility of him not even making it a full year. All I'm saying is - we've all seen this type of QB excitement in Denver before as soon as a QB is signed - only to be let down later. Let's keep expectations low, so we can be pleasantly surprised later.

Montana's last two years on KC produced this (let's expect around the same from Peyton):

Year Team GP Att Com Pct Yds TD Int Rating
1993 Kansas City Chiefs 11 298 181 60.7 2,144 13 7 87.4
1994 Kansas City Chiefs 14 493 299 60.6 3,283 16 9 83.6

i disagree. it is a different age of football. the league goes through so much crap to protect their moneymakers and Peyton is a moneymaker.

also, i hate the Montaa comparisons to any good QB, because Montana was an average QB on stacked teams. Montana in his prime wasn't as anywhere near good as Manning in his. and at the end i would take a recovering injurer Manning over an overrated Montana.

Pontius Pirate · 03-19-2012, 10:43 AM

All I'm saying is, keep expectations low. Hell, he still needs to pass a physical before his next contract even becomes official.

His neck is healed - but NO ONE has officially said his throwing arm is back to where it was. That's kind of an important thing as a QB to have.

Taco John · 03-19-2012, 10:44 AM

"Let's be realistic here..."

ColoradoDarin · 03-19-2012, 10:51 AM

I think most people (including Elway, Fox and Xanders) believe that they're getting Manning from 2005, the reality is that he's not nearly as good as he was back then, even before the injuries:

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Manning's performances have consistently declined, almost step by step, year after year since that signature 2004 season. Here's a look at Manning's annual production since peaking in 2004.

Season	Comp.	Att.	Comp. %	Yards	YPA	TD	TD %	INT	INT %	Rating
2004	336	497	67.6	4,557	9.2	49	9.9	10	2.0	121.1
2005	305	453	67.3	3,747	8.3	28	6.2	10	2.2	104.1
2006	362	557	65.0	4,397	7.9	31	5.6	9	1.6	101.0
2007	337	515	65.4	4,040	7.8	31	6.0	14	2.7	98.0
2008	371	555	66.8	4,002	7.2	27	4.9	12	2.2	95.0
2009	393	571	68.8	4,500	7.9	33	5.8	16	2.8	99.9
2010	450	679	66.3	4,700	6.9	33	4.9	17	2.5	91.9

Manning put up gaudy volume numbers in 2010, his last on the field. But in reality, his efficiency -- the numbers that win and lose football games -- had fallen off the face of the earth.

From: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1paO2p3nu

Tebow is very likely to get better, while Manning is very likely to get worse. I suspect that the difference between the 2 in passing stats won't make up for the lack of a running game.

Beantown Bronco · 03-19-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pontius Pirate

His neck is healed - but NO ONE has officially said his throwing arm is back to where it was. That's kind of an important thing as a QB to have.

Ummm, I'm not sure what you've been smoking but at least a handful of different reports have said his arm is back to where it was.

KCStud · 03-19-2012, 10:53 AM

Who is Manning supposed to throw the ball to besides Thomas?

Taco John · 03-19-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by KCStud

Who is Manning supposed to throw the ball to besides Thomas?

Eric Decker has shown some solid ball skills when he had Orton throwing to him. Admittedly, he did struggle with Tebow's spin on the ball for whatever reason.

Frankly, I'm not worried about our WR situation. I think it'll get taken care of.

Kaylore · 03-19-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KCStud

Who is Manning supposed to throw the ball to besides Thomas?

Eric Decker tied for sixth most receiving touchdowns in the NFL, third in the AFC.

Tombstone RJ · 03-19-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin

I think most people (including Elway, Fox and Xanders) believe that they're getting Manning from 2005, the reality is that he's not nearly as good as he was back then, even before the injuries:

From: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1paO2p3nu

Tebow is very likely to get better, while Manning is very likely to get worse. I suspect that the difference between the 2 in passing stats won't make up for the lack of a running game.

and yet the Colts won the SB in 2006-07 and got to the SB in 2008-9 so maybe these stats don't tell you everything?

KevinJames · 03-19-2012, 10:58 AM

Horrible thread.

Passing league and Broncos have a talented up and coming WR in Demaryius Thomas

Tombstone RJ · 03-19-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KCStud

Who is Manning supposed to throw the ball to besides Thomas?

who knows, maybe the Broncos sign Bowe?

Taco John · 03-19-2012, 10:59 AM

Can you imagine how Demaryius Thomas feels today?

hambone13 · 03-19-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Can you imagine how Demaryius Thomas feels today?

I hope he feels like not dropping passes!

Pontius Pirate · 03-19-2012, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Ummm, I'm not sure what you've been smoking but at least a handful of different reports have said his arm is back to where it was.

I read some articles where people trying sign him (and people close to him) said they believed his arm strength is back. I know he was medically cleared to play and his neck was declared healed by doctors - I haven't seen a report saying that doctors said his arm was fully back to 100%

TDmvp · 03-19-2012, 11:05 AM

Only one qb in the last 25 years has won a SB over the age of 35 , that being Elway.
I don't see Payaton getting us there and think this move will be seen as a fail years from now.

This was basically a way to get out from under Tebow and save face by being able to say you can't turn down the chance to get a 4 time mvp and get the Tebow circus out of town.

What a joke this team has become tho since Shanny left.

We have a young stud qb who we trade for a hill of beans then we reach and draft a kid who's not prototypical and or traditional. He does ok but needs a lot of work and shows promise at times and we dump that for a stop gap we will be looking to replace in 3 years... Brilliant.

I see this as nothing more then a way for our FO to get out from under Tebow and it seems the media agrees. And that's lame.

03-19-2012, 10:16 AM	#1
Pontius Pirate Tampons are for pussies Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: 'Nam Posts: 1,796	We'll be lucky to get KC/Montana-like stats out of Peyton Let's be realistic here, Peyton will be a shadow of his former self. Dude's been out of football for over a year due to health issues (not out +1 year because he killed dogs). We face a very real possibility of him not even making it a full year. All I'm saying is - we've all seen this type of QB excitement in Denver before as soon as a QB is signed - only to be let down later. Let's keep expectations low, so we can be pleasantly surprised later. Montana's last two years on KC produced this (let's expect around the same from Peyton): Year Team GP Att Com Pct Yds TD Int Rating 1993 Kansas City Chiefs 11 298 181 60.7 2,144 13 7 87.4 1994 Kansas City Chiefs 14 493 299 60.6 3,283 16 9 83.6

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03-19-2012, 10:18 AM	#2
Peoples Champ Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orange County Posts: 3,101 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	we will be lucky to get elway like stats after age 35, two rings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

03-19-2012, 10:18 AM	#3
lolcopter Fame of Ringer Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,937 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	Tl;dr Different game

03-19-2012, 10:19 AM	#4
WolfpackGuy Call me, "Maybe" Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 5,694	At least Marty isn't the coach.

03-19-2012, 10:23 AM	#5
Al Wilson Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 950	What a ****ing retarded thread. Seriously, after all the exams, and team physical, and the workouts, you actually think that he is not capable of playing up to his old ability. Why would Elway go after him just because of his name if he knew he can't play like before? Stop it already with stupid threads like these. If Elway knew this guy is incapable of playing at an MVP level then he wouldn't go after him. PERIOD. Welcome to Denver Manning !!!!!!

03-19-2012, 10:25 AM	#8
Drunken.Broncoholic Steppin on feet Pickled in Orange and Blue Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Carmel Ca Posts: 6,609 Adopt-a-Bronco: LeLo Lang	Someone needs to insert a tampon in the OPs mouth

03-19-2012, 10:34 AM	#10
barryr Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,278 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Well, it is up to the Broncos who convinced Manning they can and will build a contending team to start doing so and surround him with better talent. Manning at this stage of his career can not be expected to carry this team, so others on in all phases on this team need to step up. That especially means Clady.

03-19-2012, 10:43 AM	#12
Pontius Pirate Tampons are for pussies Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: 'Nam Posts: 1,796	All I'm saying is, keep expectations low. Hell, he still needs to pass a physical before his next contract even becomes official. His neck is healed - but NO ONE has officially said his throwing arm is back to where it was. That's kind of an important thing as a QB to have.

03-19-2012, 10:44 AM	#13
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,742 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	"Let's be realistic here..."

03-19-2012, 10:53 AM	#16
KCStud Ring of Famer AmeriStanzi! Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,138 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Who is Manning supposed to throw the ball to besides Thomas?

03-19-2012, 10:58 AM	#20
KevinJames Not the actor/comedian HA 2012. IT BEGINS. Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,763	Horrible thread. Passing league and Broncos have a talented up and coming WR in Demaryius Thomas

03-19-2012, 10:59 AM	#22
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,742 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Can you imagine how Demaryius Thomas feels today?

03-19-2012, 11:05 AM	#25
TDmvp Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,092	Only one qb in the last 25 years has won a SB over the age of 35 , that being Elway. I don't see Payaton getting us there and think this move will be seen as a fail years from now. This was basically a way to get out from under Tebow and save face by being able to say you can't turn down the chance to get a 4 time mvp and get the Tebow circus out of town. What a joke this team has become tho since Shanny left. We have a young stud qb who we trade for a hill of beans then we reach and draft a kid who's not prototypical and or traditional. He does ok but needs a lot of work and shows promise at times and we dump that for a stop gap we will be looking to replace in 3 years... Brilliant. I see this as nothing more then a way for our FO to get out from under Tebow and it seems the media agrees. And that's lame.