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Old 03-18-2012, 12:56 PM   #651
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So now, if someone makes a statement, and circumstances change (in this case one of the greatest ever becoming available), then they get crucified for changing their mind?

Harsh crowd.
No you either don't say it or don't make a deliberate public display at courting him. Circumstances do change, how you handle those changes matters.

I am not slamming them for perusing Manning, I just wonder could they have handled the message better?
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Old 03-18-2012, 12:57 PM   #652
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I have to ask myself "what would McD do?"

What is the going rate for a top rb in his prime these days? A first and 3rd?
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Old 03-18-2012, 12:59 PM   #653
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Just as a reminder Tebow himself has not said one word about this whole saga
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Old 03-18-2012, 12:59 PM   #654
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Manning became available all of a sudden? It was a real possibility for awhile.
It wasn't a real possibility when John originally made the statment.
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again, Elway was forced to address the QB situation to the media. He made a statement that is/was true. TT has earned the right the be the starting QB going into training camp. That's the truth. If Manning comes in then it could still be the truth, it's just that Manning will destroy TT in training camp because the offense will be designed around Manning. It will take all of one day to switch TT to #2.

If Manning does not sign with the Broncos then I believe TT will be the guy #1 QB going into training camp. The Broncos will bring in other QBs to compete but it's TT's job to lose.
No one makes Elway go on twitter and tell everyone anything. Manning would not be signed to compete for the job, so sorry, that is not the truth. If they try to sign Alex Smith, he wouldn't sign to compete. Somehow you see evidence the Broncos really do believe in Tebow and will give him every chance to win the job, but I don't. If true tried talking to Flynn as well, then he wouldn't be signing to simply compete either.
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No you either don't say it or don't make a deliberate public display at courting him. Circumstances do change, how you handle those changes matters.

I am not slamming them for perusing Manning, I just wonder could they have handled the message better?
I get what you're saying, but we just have differing opinions on how things are being handled.
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It wasn't a real possibility when John originally made the statment.
It wasn't?
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It wasn't a real possibility when John originally made the statment.
It was hardly a ringing endorsement for Tebow anyway. But they really do believe in him though. Please.
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No one makes Elway go on twitter and tell everyone anything. Manning would not be signed to compete for the job, so sorry, that is not the truth. If they try to sign Alex Smith, he wouldn't sign to compete. Somehow you see evidence the Broncos really do believe in Tebow and will give him every chance to win the job, but I don't. If true tried talking to Flynn as well, then he wouldn't be signing to simply compete either.
fair enough, I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens. I'd like TT to get a fair shot at the starting QB job if Manning signs with another team. As for the other QBs who the Broncos bring in to compete with TT, I doubt they pay a lot of money for these QBs. I'm pretty sure they will bring in guys who are cheap and really have to work hard to take the job away from TT, this is JMHO.
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I've been banned and busy have we actually signed anyone yet?
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I've been banned and busy have we actually signed anyone yet?
I can't even begin to imagine why you where banned.
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I've been banned and busy have we actually signed anyone yet?
Why u banned? U posting nekkid pics of bob again?
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I can't even begin to imagine why you where banned.
I know its hard to believe. I think Taco was just worried about me taking over the place and had to flex his mussles

personally I think its a fiber issue but we would need to consult Dr. Broncostierrwhatshisface. Maybe I'll start a thread.
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Dont tempt me girl.
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fair enough, I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens. I'd like TT to get a fair shot at the starting QB job if Manning signs with another team. As for the other QBs who the Broncos bring in to compete with TT, I doubt they pay a lot of money for these QBs. I'm pretty sure they will bring in guys who are cheap and really have to work hard to take the job away from TT, this is JMHO.
Yep, I would like Tebow to be given a chance, but I just don't it happening. What I see is even if the unlikely happens and they gave Tebow a shot at winning the job, they will always be looking for someone else because I think they want a pure pocket passer and I do not see Tebow ever really being that kind of QB. I think he can be effective like a Vick who isn't really a pure pocket passer either and has had a pretty good career, not counting his off the field antics, but that isn't what the Broncos want in a QB.
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meh, when Elway said this I was the first poster here to tell everyone this means nothing. I'm shocked that people didn't see this statement for what it is...
Where were people like you when I was getting pounded for saying this back in Jan and Feb? Now TJ, montrose and others are saying it and all of a sudden it's a revelation!

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Where were people like you when I was getting pounded for saying this back in Jan and Feb? Now TJ, montrose and others are saying it and all of a sudden it's a revelation!

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JC,i've been claiming TT wouldn't make it before he was even drafted. You can't imagine how pissed I was when I saw that we drafted TT.
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Well, just don't post mine. Ok
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JC,i've been claiming TT wouldn't make it before he was even drafted. You can't imagine how pissed I was when I saw that we drafted TT.
Probably less pissed than when he threw the winning touchdown against the Steelers in the playoffs...
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I'm getting the feeling Elway is trying to recreate himself at the QB position. Looks like he believes it's the only way to play the position successfully. Elway and fox are too fixated on how the QB position must be played. After some though I believe it would be best for Tim Tebow to move on to another team that has the vision to see his real value to a football team. I think the best place for Tebow is with a OC like MCD that would figure a way to use his considerable skills.

The NFL is slow to change. Once and a while along comes a guy like Bill Walsh and tries something new, at first he is laughed at, then copied league wide. I think Tim Tebow can bing that kind of impact to a team with vision and balls.
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Probably less pissed than when he threw the winning touchdown against the Steelers in the playoffs...
yeah that game against NE,even the 2-8 game he had against KC the 1st time not to mention the 2nd game against KC.how about buffalo?the broncos won in spite of TT.
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I'm getting the feeling Elway is trying to recreate himself at the QB position. Looks like he believes it's the only way to play the position successfully. Elway and fox are too fixated on how the QB position must be played. After some though I believe it would be best for Tim Tebow to move on to another team that has the vision to see his real value to a football team. I think the best place for Tebow is with a OC like MCD that would figure a way to use his considerable skills.

The NFL is slow to change. Once and a while along comes a guy like Bill Walsh and tries something new, at first he is laughed at, then copied league wide. I think Tim Tebow can bing that kind of impact to a team with vision and balls.
the type of offense TT requires would set the NFL back 50 or so yrs when the forward pass was just begining.
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yeah that game against NE,even the 2-8 game he had against KC the 1st time not to mention the 2nd game against KC.how about buffalo?the broncos won in spite of TT.
So your saying Orton was too bad for the rest of the team to overcome?
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I'm getting the feeling Elway is trying to recreate himself at the QB position. Looks like he believes it's the only way to play the position successfully. Elway and fox are too fixated on how the QB position must be played. After some though I believe it would be best for Tim Tebow to move on to another team that has the vision to see his real value to a football team. I think the best place for Tebow is with a OC like MCD that would figure a way to use his considerable skills.

The NFL is slow to change. Once and a while along comes a guy like Bill Walsh and tries something new, at first he is laughed at, then copied league wide. I think Tim Tebow can bing that kind of impact to a team with vision and balls.
I agree. I think Elway thinks what Tebow is doing out there isn't Qb-ing. He sees him and the rest of the greats at the position as artists with a very special ability, and I don't blame him. My problem is if it's all about winning then it was only rational to give Tim one more year and see where we stand. I think the best coaches/personnel evaluators will work to the strengths of their players and not try to recreate something that we won't necessarily ever find again (another Elway).

Tim had room to grow but he gave us a great starting point. We were watching him progress to the point of him having his best passing game as the last game he played while we were winning. As a fan, it was the perfect rebuild opportunity in my eyes.
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