More Craziness to Come? - The Orange Mane

Rohirrim · 03-13-2012, 07:00 AM

It occurred to me this morning, reading all the notes about Manning, the Redskins trade, free agency, the draft, and one of the wildest off seasons ever, especially for the Broncos, that we might only be seeing the beginning. Peter King wrote this in his SI notes this morning:

The Colts cut half their roster. Sort of. Much of the backbone of a team that averaged 12.5 wins a year from 2005 to 2010 has disappeared in the last five days: The wrecking ball taken to the passing game is like nothing in recent history. Manning, Anthony Gonzalez and Dallas Clark were told they wouldn't be retained. Three more receivers -- wideouts Reggie Wayne and Pierre Garcon, and tight end Jacob Tamme -- will leave in free agency, almost certainly. Think of the Colts' opening-camp receiving corps in July 2010: The top two quarterbacks (including Curtis Painter) are now gone. The top two tight ends, gone. Three of the top four wideouts (excepting Austin Collie), gone. And the defense? Captain and leader Gary Brackett, cut. As Adam Schefter reported Friday, Dwight Freeney is on the trading block. Andrew Luck has to be thinking, "What am I walking into? The '76 Bucs?''
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1p0Hv8CDP

And suddenly the pieces came together and I realized: Luck is going to refuse to go to Indy! He's going to pull a Manning! (Eli, that is). You heard it here first. If you think Archie Manning is involved in Peyton's decision making process, wait until you see Andrew Luck's dad, Oliver. There's no way he lets his son start his NFL career at some franchise that has been dismantled. Face it, Luck is walking into a wasteland if he goes to Indy. He'll get his ass kicked for years. He'll be in worse shape than David Carr when the Texans drafted him. I really don't think Oliver Luck is going to let that happen.

And if that happens, like I think it will, where does that leave Shanahan? That's why you don't trade early for picks. The Redskins assumed that Indy takes Luck and they take RGIII. Badabing, badaboom. Assumptions have a way of biting you on the ass. If Andrew Luck refuses to play for Indy, the Redskins are now in a position where they can't bid for the number one spot. They've taken themselves out of the game. Who swoops in and takes that top spot then? Cleveland? The Rams (using all the picks the Redskins gave them)? Miami? Maybe even Denver (if they don't get Peyton)?

IMHO, there are more fireworks to come.

spdirty · 03-13-2012, 07:04 AM

I hope Luck and Griffin both refuse to go to Indy. **** that bull**** team. Deserve to be where they were pre-Manning until Irsay dies or sells.

But if your scenario happens that leaves Shanahan with Luck. I don't think he'd be too upset about that.

BroncoInferno · 03-13-2012, 07:05 AM

The Redskins made the move to trade up because of how they felt about RGIII. I doubt they will feel much regret if your scenario comes into play.

WolfpackGuy · 03-13-2012, 07:05 AM

This isn't far fetched now that all the dominoes have fallen.

Bronco Rob · 03-13-2012, 07:06 AM

Karmic Retribution.

Kaylore · 03-13-2012, 07:06 AM

I think Luck shows up and plays, but all my dreams would be fulfilled if Luck refused to go to Indy.

Beantown Bronco · 03-13-2012, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

If Andrew Luck refuses to play for Indy, the Redskins are now in a position where they can't bid for the number one spot. They've taken themselves out of the game. Who swoops in and takes that top spot then? Cleveland? The Rams (using all the picks the Redskins gave them)? Miami? Maybe even Denver (if they don't get Peyton)?

IMHO, there are more fireworks to come.

I must be missing something. Why would the Skins even care. They want RGIII, not Luck. And they'd still draft and have RGIII regardless of what Luck decides after he's drafted.

CEH · 03-13-2012, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

It occurred to me this morning, reading all the notes about Manning, the Redskins trade, free agency, the draft, and one of the wildest off seasons ever, especially for the Broncos, that we might only be seeing the beginning. Peter King wrote this in his SI notes this morning:

The Colts cut half their roster. Sort of. Much of the backbone of a team that averaged 12.5 wins a year from 2005 to 2010 has disappeared in the last five days: The wrecking ball taken to the passing game is like nothing in recent history. Manning, Anthony Gonzalez and Dallas Clark were told they wouldn't be retained. Three more receivers -- wideouts Reggie Wayne and Pierre Garcon, and tight end Jacob Tamme -- will leave in free agency, almost certainly. Think of the Colts' opening-camp receiving corps in July 2010: The top two quarterbacks (including Curtis Painter) are now gone. The top two tight ends, gone. Three of the top four wideouts (excepting Austin Collie), gone. And the defense? Captain and leader Gary Brackett, cut. As Adam Schefter reported Friday, Dwight Freeney is on the trading block. Andrew Luck has to be thinking, "What am I walking into? The '76 Bucs?''
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1p0Hv8CDP

And suddenly the pieces came together and I realized: Luck is going to refuse to go to Indy! He's going to pull a Manning! (Eli, that is). You heard it here first. If you think Archie Manning is involved in Peyton's decision making process, wait until you see Andrew Luck's dad, Oliver. There's no way he lets his son start his NFL career at some franchise that has been dismantled. Face it, Luck is walking into a wasteland if he goes to Indy. He'll get his ass kicked for years. He'll be in worse shape than David Carr when the Texans drafted him. I really don't think Oliver Luck is going to let that happen.

And if that happens, like I think it will, where does that leave Shanahan? That's why you don't trade early for picks. The Redskins assumed that Indy takes Luck and they take RGIII. Badabing, badaboom. Assumptions have a way of biting you on the ass. If Andrew Luck refuses to play for Indy, the Redskins are now in a position where they can't bid for the number one spot. They've taken themselves out of the game. Who swoops in and takes that top spot then? Cleveland? The Rams (using all the picks the Redskins gave them)? Miami? Maybe even Denver (if they don't get Peyton)?

IMHO, there are more fireworks to come.

Bruce Allen said publicly they are happy where they are at becuase they like both players. They will get one or the other.

Rohirrim · 03-13-2012, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

I must be missing something. Why would the Skins even care. They want RGIII, not Luck. And they'd still draft and have RGIII regardless of what Luck decides after he's drafted.

Perhaps they went RGIII because Luck became unreachable and they felt they had to make a move and secure the second spot? I wonder if both QBs were available to Shanahan, which one he'd pick? My money would be on Luck.

Rohirrim · 03-13-2012, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CEH

Bruce Allen said publicly they are happy where they are at becuase they like both players. They will get one or the other.

If you sat Shanahan down and told him both QBs were available, which one would he pick? IMHO, it would be Luck. Hands down. Luck plays the kind of mental, game management style that Shanahan loves. They went for RGIII because if they didn't, they knew it was Tannehill or Grossman. I believe about half of what coaches and GMs tell the press.

Anyway, I guess the real point of this thread is, what happens if Luck pulls an Eli on Indy? The effect on the Redskins was a secondary thought.

houghtam · 03-13-2012, 07:16 AM

I thought I saw somewhere that the Colts were already in contract talks with Luck?

enjolras · 03-13-2012, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Perhaps they went RGIII because Luck became unreachable and they felt they had to make a move and secure the second spot? I wonder if both QBs were available to Shanahan, which one he'd pick? My money would be on Luck.

I'd put my money, my house, my car and pretty much anything else of value on it. Nobody in their right mind would take RGIII over Luck. Not based on their body of work in college.

RGIII is a really nice consolation prize, but he's not the main event.

srphoenix · 03-13-2012, 07:23 AM

Definitely an interesting and plausible take, but I think Irsay has been in contact with Luck for months now and has let him know what's taking place and what they have planned for the future. This is definitely going down as one of the most interesting offseasons in memory and we haven't even begun free agency!

TonyR · 03-13-2012, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

If you sat Shanahan down and told him both QBs were available, which one would he pick? IMHO, it would be Luck. Hands down.

^ Yup, absolutely.

Rohirrim · 03-13-2012, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by enjolras

I'd put my money, my house, my car and pretty much anything else of value on it. Nobody in their right mind would take RGIII over Luck. Not based on their body of work in college.

RGIII is a really nice consolation prize, but he's not the main event.

Imagine if Luck tells the Colts to go **** themselves and then Indy takes RGIII?

Rohirrim · 03-13-2012, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by houghtam

I thought I saw somewhere that the Colts were already in contract talks with Luck?

The only thing I can find on that is this:
"When you have the chance to learn from a guy like Peyton Manning, if that chance arises, you’d better take advantage of it,” Luck said. “He’s arguably the best quarterback ever, and he was my hero growing up. So, yeah.”

Hulamau · 03-13-2012, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

I think Luck shows up and plays, but all my dreams would be fulfilled if Luck refused to go to Indy.

Hey Khan,

Now that you're the owner of an NFL franchise .. you interested in trading for Timmy and if so, what will you give??!?

Kaylore · 03-13-2012, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Hulamau

Hey Khan,

Now that you're the owner of an NFL franchise .. you interested in trading for Timmy and if so, what will you give??!?

One Pizza Pie!

TheReverend · 03-13-2012, 07:41 AM

Odds of this happening:

0.000000000000000001%

Rohirrim · 03-13-2012, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

One Pizza Pie!

He has this kind of Gomez Addams thing about him.

Chris · 03-13-2012, 07:42 AM

barryr · 03-13-2012, 07:42 AM

I don't see this happening. The Colts are mostly cutting either high priced vets or guys that didn't produce for them, or guys on the other side of 30 who do not fill the need of rebuilding, which is the path they are taking. Rookie QB's hardly expect to be going to great teams.

Rohirrim · 03-13-2012, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Odds of this happening:

0.000000000000000001%

Nice argument.

CEH · 03-13-2012, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

If you sat Shanahan down and told him both QBs were available, which one would he pick? IMHO, it would be Luck. Hands down. Luck plays the kind of mental, game management style that Shanahan loves. They went for RGIII because if they didn't, they knew it was Tannehill or Grossman. I believe about half of what coaches and GMs tell the press.

Anyway, I guess the real point of this thread is, what happens if Luck pulls an Eli on Indy? The effect on the Redskins was a secondary thought.

Indy cut their players before Shanny traded his picks. WASH knew what was going on in Indy. Peyton rebuffed Shanny here in Denver and the next thing you know WASH went to plan B. RGIII is Jake Plummer only more athetic and smarter and can hit the deep ball. Perfect player for Shanny 3 level route tree and boots off play action. RGIII is no dummy in his own right. This is not Micheal Vick

TheReverend · 03-13-2012, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Nice argument.

Your OP's even better...

1. They're already in contract talks with Luck

2. He doesn't have the baseball leverage

3. He doesn't have ANY leverage lol

4. The Colts learned that lesson in 1983.

5. He's been nothing but super complimentary of the Colts in interviews.

6. They released Peyton... even if Luck refused to play for them, they'd probably just take RGIII instead and stay put.

7. Once again, your thread ****ing sucks.

Better?

03-13-2012, 07:00 AM	#1
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 49,113	More Craziness to Come? It occurred to me this morning, reading all the notes about Manning, the Redskins trade, free agency, the draft, and one of the wildest off seasons ever, especially for the Broncos, that we might only be seeing the beginning. Peter King wrote this in his SI notes this morning: The Colts cut half their roster. Sort of. Much of the backbone of a team that averaged 12.5 wins a year from 2005 to 2010 has disappeared in the last five days: The wrecking ball taken to the passing game is like nothing in recent history. Manning, Anthony Gonzalez and Dallas Clark were told they wouldn't be retained. Three more receivers -- wideouts Reggie Wayne and Pierre Garcon, and tight end Jacob Tamme -- will leave in free agency, almost certainly. Think of the Colts' opening-camp receiving corps in July 2010: The top two quarterbacks (including Curtis Painter) are now gone. The top two tight ends, gone. Three of the top four wideouts (excepting Austin Collie), gone. And the defense? Captain and leader Gary Brackett, cut. As Adam Schefter reported Friday, Dwight Freeney is on the trading block. Andrew Luck has to be thinking, "What am I walking into? The '76 Bucs?'' http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1p0Hv8CDP And suddenly the pieces came together and I realized: Luck is going to refuse to go to Indy! He's going to pull a Manning! (Eli, that is). You heard it here first. If you think Archie Manning is involved in Peyton's decision making process, wait until you see Andrew Luck's dad, Oliver. There's no way he lets his son start his NFL career at some franchise that has been dismantled. Face it, Luck is walking into a wasteland if he goes to Indy. He'll get his ass kicked for years. He'll be in worse shape than David Carr when the Texans drafted him. I really don't think Oliver Luck is going to let that happen. And if that happens, like I think it will, where does that leave Shanahan? That's why you don't trade early for picks. The Redskins assumed that Indy takes Luck and they take RGIII. Badabing, badaboom. Assumptions have a way of biting you on the ass. If Andrew Luck refuses to play for Indy, the Redskins are now in a position where they can't bid for the number one spot. They've taken themselves out of the game. Who swoops in and takes that top spot then? Cleveland? The Rams (using all the picks the Redskins gave them)? Miami? Maybe even Denver (if they don't get Peyton)? IMHO, there are more fireworks to come. Last edited by Rohirrim; 03-13-2012 at 07:38 AM..

03-13-2012, 07:04 AM	#2
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quentin Jammer	I hope Luck and Griffin both refuse to go to Indy. ** that bull** team. Deserve to be where they were pre-Manning until Irsay dies or sells. But if your scenario happens that leaves Shanahan with Luck. I don't think he'd be too upset about that. Last edited by spdirty; 03-13-2012 at 07:08 AM..

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03-13-2012, 07:05 AM	#3
BroncoInferno Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 13,033	The Redskins made the move to trade up because of how they felt about RGIII. I doubt they will feel much regret if your scenario comes into play.

03-13-2012, 07:05 AM	#4
WolfpackGuy Call me, "Maybe" Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 5,694	This isn't far fetched now that all the dominoes have fallen.

03-13-2012, 07:06 AM	#5
Bronco Rob Ring of Famer There's A New Sheriff In Town Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 4,589 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bill Vinovich	Karmic Retribution.

03-13-2012, 07:06 AM	#6
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,343 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	I think Luck shows up and plays, but all my dreams would be fulfilled if Luck refused to go to Indy.

03-13-2012, 07:16 AM	#11
houghtam WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION MethWolfeAlliance Member #11001001 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lansing, MI Posts: 5,110 Adopt-a-Bronco: Demon Eagles	I thought I saw somewhere that the Colts were already in contract talks with Luck?

03-13-2012, 07:23 AM	#13
srphoenix 77 rushing touchdowns The next TD Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Green Bay, WI Posts: 929 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	Definitely an interesting and plausible take, but I think Irsay has been in contact with Luck for months now and has let him know what's taking place and what they have planned for the future. This is definitely going down as one of the most interesting offseasons in memory and we haven't even begun free agency!

03-13-2012, 07:41 AM	#19
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ "not an athlete" Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 33,356 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	Odds of this happening: 0.000000000000000001%

03-13-2012, 07:42 AM	#21
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03-13-2012, 07:42 AM	#22
barryr Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,278 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I don't see this happening. The Colts are mostly cutting either high priced vets or guys that didn't produce for them, or guys on the other side of 30 who do not fill the need of rebuilding, which is the path they are taking. Rookie QB's hardly expect to be going to great teams.