Tebow's value as a back-up QB - The Orange Mane

mwill07 · 03-12-2012, 09:41 PM

It's been said that Tebow cannot be a back-up for Manning, because you need a completely new offense for him. I say that makes no sense; in fact, Tebow may have more value to the team as a back-up than any other back-up in the league. Here's why:

The defense we would have to face now has to prepare for a Manning offense and a Tebow offense, if they see him or not. That extra mental load on the opposition D would be a factor, regardless of Tebow playing. Any time an opponents D spends trying to scheme around a read-option is time not spent on defending Mannings quick strikes....

or they don't prepare for Tebow. And then, if Manning gets hurt, the D is totally un-prepared and we run over them like we did @oak last year. Either way is fine...win/win.

In more generic terms, assume you want QB1 and QB2 to be identical in skill-set, but QB1 is just better. If QB1 gets hurt, your offense automatically downgrades. There are very few NFL QB's that would be qualified to run a Manning offense at a respectable level, so IMO trying to replace Manning would be futile.

However, if QB2 is a completely different type of QB, you can take the offense in a completely different direction, at worst you catch a defense un-prepared. At best, the new offense behind QB2 is just as effective as QB1 offense, just a different style.

That's why I'm not big on drafting option QB to back up Tebow, and I think it's cool to have Tebow back-up Manning. This can work, and work just fine.

MacGruder · 03-12-2012, 09:44 PM

I always thought the Broncos should get some scrub to start a lot of the season just to get in the playoffs.. then let Tebow play all-out in the playoffs.. he is unstoppable when he is playing balls out.

My hope is that Manning plays most the season then gets injured, as he is sure to, then Tebow takes over and takes it home..

canadianbroncosfan · 03-12-2012, 09:44 PM

barryr · 03-12-2012, 09:50 PM

I still wonder why this staff thought they needed to change the whole offense for Tebow when that wasn't done the previous season when Tebow played QB those last 3 games. Tebow played about as well as you'd expect from a rookie on a losing team then, and even with the same OC, they felt they had to change the whole offense and put in all of these read option plays and predictable playcalling. But at any rate, with Manning on the team, Tebow will not get many snaps in camp with the starters and that is what I thought would be necessary for him to have a chance to succeed next season. I think it would be hard to expect if Manning signed and got hurt during the season, that Tebow could come in with a new offense and do that great or even better than he has played so far.

Shananahan · 03-13-2012, 12:51 AM

We should just have three QBs who each run a different style of offense. Then we'd just have to get the rest of the offensive players to learn all three, and the defense would never know what to prepare for!

Fedaykin · 03-13-2012, 01:38 AM

I see the Tebowners have progressed from being petulant to actively hoping that a (potential) player on the team gets injured.

Sickening.

cutthemdown · 03-13-2012, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MacGruder

I always thought the Broncos should get some scrub to start a lot of the season just to get in the playoffs.. then let Tebow play all-out in the playoffs.. he is unstoppable when he is playing balls out.

My hope is that Manning plays most the season then gets injured, as he is sure to, then Tebow takes over and takes it home..

You're an idiot. So your plan is to get a scrub to make playoffs so Tebow can play all out. Genius ****twad. You couldn't even run a kids flag football team.

cutthemdown · 03-13-2012, 02:18 AM

But Tebow could be a bkup QB, but i doubt he wants to. He wants to start. He won't be happy is some bkup utility role. Send to the Jags for a 2nd round pick and let him try and start. That is if Manning comes. Otherwise just roll with Tebow and play the schoolyard style, keep building the defense.

No Manning I say draft front 7, draft cbs, sign Nicks from NO.

maher_tyler · 03-13-2012, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacGruder

I always thought the Broncos should get some scrub to start a lot of the season just to get in the playoffs.. then let Tebow play all-out in the playoffs.. he is unstoppable when he is playing balls out.

My hope is that Manning plays most the season then gets injured, as he is sure to, then Tebow takes over and takes it home..

Dude, I think you have some screws loose

cmhargrove · 03-13-2012, 06:06 AM

I don't wish or plan for a starter to get hurt. I look at it a different way.

Manning gives us a true opportunity to get ahead of teams by 21 points or so. In the fourth quarter, that's when you send in the "JV Quarterback." Why couldn't Tebow get some reps throughout the season? Let Manning towel off and send in the kid for a quarter. Not probable, but possible.

CEH · 03-13-2012, 06:13 AM

I might be in the minority but I think a condition of Manning signing is Tebow is not on the roster. I think Denver will jettison Tebow and some team who wants to commit to Tim may get a good deal. It may be the best for Tim to go to a team thats wants to build around him

hookemhess · 03-13-2012, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacGruder

I always thought the Broncos should get some scrub to start a lot of the season just to get in the playoffs.. then let Tebow play all-out in the playoffs.. he is unstoppable when he is playing balls out.

My hope is that Manning plays most the season then gets injured, as he is sure to, then Tebow takes over and takes it home..

Please, I beg of you... just stop the madness. Leave this forum and never come back. Your dick riding Tebow is unlike anything I've ever seen. You make me dislike the guy purely because he creates freaks like you. And I've always been a fan of #15. You're clearly not a Broncos fan and completely out of touch with reality.

srphoenix · 03-13-2012, 07:09 AM

I hope they keep him, not sure if that is possible due to the fan support for him but he is such a unique weapon in so many situations.

I'd love to see them use Tebow as a wildcat in the redzone, use him as a fullback behind manning with the additional option to throw the ball. You could even use him on reverse passing plays if you really wanted. It would just add another element to the offense that would make it almost impossible to predict, especially when being run by a manning who is making those adjustments at the LOS.

oubronco · 03-13-2012, 07:19 AM

Batshyt crazy guys the Rev was right

barryr · 03-13-2012, 07:56 AM

I just don't see Manning being happy coming out of the game so Tebow can do his thing. With so many teams trying wildcat type of plays, I don't remember the Colts doing much of the that, if any at all when Manning was there. I know I have stated many times Tebow needed a training camp, getting starter reps to help guage just where he is, but sitting and just watching tape for the next 2-3 years just isn't the same as being on the field.

Plus when Tebow is ready to become a free agent about the time Manning retires, do the Broncos really know for sure Tebow is the starter and their QB? Based on what? How he runs the scout team? How much video he watches?

If the Broncos were convinced Tebow was their QB, they would not be going after Manning and I do not see how Tebow can change their minds sitting for 2-3 years. Trade him for what you can and move on.

03-12-2012, 09:44 PM	#2
MacGruder visionary New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 5,449 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I always thought the Broncos should get some scrub to start a lot of the season just to get in the playoffs.. then let Tebow play all-out in the playoffs.. he is unstoppable when he is playing balls out. My hope is that Manning plays most the season then gets injured, as he is sure to, then Tebow takes over and takes it home.. Last edited by MacGruder; 03-12-2012 at 09:52 PM..

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03-12-2012, 09:41 PM	#1
mwill07 Ring of Famer Lurker Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,191 Adopt-a-Bronco: VMFM	Tebow's value as a back-up QB It's been said that Tebow cannot be a back-up for Manning, because you need a completely new offense for him. I say that makes no sense; in fact, Tebow may have more value to the team as a back-up than any other back-up in the league. Here's why: The defense we would have to face now has to prepare for a Manning offense and a Tebow offense, if they see him or not. That extra mental load on the opposition D would be a factor, regardless of Tebow playing. Any time an opponents D spends trying to scheme around a read-option is time not spent on defending Mannings quick strikes.... or they don't prepare for Tebow. And then, if Manning gets hurt, the D is totally un-prepared and we run over them like we did @oak last year. Either way is fine...win/win. In more generic terms, assume you want QB1 and QB2 to be identical in skill-set, but QB1 is just better. If QB1 gets hurt, your offense automatically downgrades. There are very few NFL QB's that would be qualified to run a Manning offense at a respectable level, so IMO trying to replace Manning would be futile. However, if QB2 is a completely different type of QB, you can take the offense in a completely different direction, at worst you catch a defense un-prepared. At best, the new offense behind QB2 is just as effective as QB1 offense, just a different style. That's why I'm not big on drafting option QB to back up Tebow, and I think it's cool to have Tebow back-up Manning. This can work, and work just fine.

03-12-2012, 09:44 PM	#3
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03-12-2012, 09:50 PM	#4
barryr Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,267 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I still wonder why this staff thought they needed to change the whole offense for Tebow when that wasn't done the previous season when Tebow played QB those last 3 games. Tebow played about as well as you'd expect from a rookie on a losing team then, and even with the same OC, they felt they had to change the whole offense and put in all of these read option plays and predictable playcalling. But at any rate, with Manning on the team, Tebow will not get many snaps in camp with the starters and that is what I thought would be necessary for him to have a chance to succeed next season. I think it would be hard to expect if Manning signed and got hurt during the season, that Tebow could come in with a new offense and do that great or even better than he has played so far.

03-13-2012, 12:51 AM	#5
Shananahan Ring of Famer Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,287	We should just have three QBs who each run a different style of offense. Then we'd just have to get the rest of the offensive players to learn all three, and the defense would never know what to prepare for!

03-13-2012, 01:38 AM	#6
Fedaykin Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,790 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I see the Tebowners have progressed from being petulant to actively hoping that a (potential) player on the team gets injured. Sickening.

03-13-2012, 02:18 AM	#8
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,409	But Tebow could be a bkup QB, but i doubt he wants to. He wants to start. He won't be happy is some bkup utility role. Send to the Jags for a 2nd round pick and let him try and start. That is if Manning comes. Otherwise just roll with Tebow and play the schoolyard style, keep building the defense. No Manning I say draft front 7, draft cbs, sign Nicks from NO.

03-13-2012, 06:06 AM	#10
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,396 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	I don't wish or plan for a starter to get hurt. I look at it a different way. Manning gives us a true opportunity to get ahead of teams by 21 points or so. In the fourth quarter, that's when you send in the "JV Quarterback." Why couldn't Tebow get some reps throughout the season? Let Manning towel off and send in the kid for a quarter. Not probable, but possible.

03-13-2012, 06:13 AM	#11
CEH Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,208	I might be in the minority but I think a condition of Manning signing is Tebow is not on the roster. I think Denver will jettison Tebow and some team who wants to commit to Tim may get a good deal. It may be the best for Tim to go to a team thats wants to build around him

03-13-2012, 07:09 AM	#13
srphoenix 77 rushing touchdowns The next TD Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Green Bay, WI Posts: 927 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	I hope they keep him, not sure if that is possible due to the fan support for him but he is such a unique weapon in so many situations. I'd love to see them use Tebow as a wildcat in the redzone, use him as a fullback behind manning with the additional option to throw the ball. You could even use him on reverse passing plays if you really wanted. It would just add another element to the offense that would make it almost impossible to predict, especially when being run by a manning who is making those adjustments at the LOS.

03-13-2012, 07:19 AM	#14
oubronco John Foneco !! Mile High Magic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sooner Country Posts: 20,569	Batshyt crazy guys the Rev was right

03-13-2012, 07:56 AM	#15
barryr Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,267 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I just don't see Manning being happy coming out of the game so Tebow can do his thing. With so many teams trying wildcat type of plays, I don't remember the Colts doing much of the that, if any at all when Manning was there. I know I have stated many times Tebow needed a training camp, getting starter reps to help guage just where he is, but sitting and just watching tape for the next 2-3 years just isn't the same as being on the field. Plus when Tebow is ready to become a free agent about the time Manning retires, do the Broncos really know for sure Tebow is the starter and their QB? Based on what? How he runs the scout team? How much video he watches? If the Broncos were convinced Tebow was their QB, they would not be going after Manning and I do not see how Tebow can change their minds sitting for 2-3 years. Trade him for what you can and move on.