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Old 03-10-2012, 09:38 AM   #1701
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Agree, but it's problematic that building around Tebow requires building more towards a less traditional offense than you'd put around Manning. And if Tebow doesn't work out you have to completely shift gears again.
Nothing to see here but fallacy.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:40 AM   #1702
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Yes, let's run urban meyer's offense in the nlf. why not? And no brady is not running it.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:43 AM   #1703
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Winning immediately would be so hard to take.

Once again, the NFL is year to year. Five year or even three year plans are so much crap.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:47 AM   #1704
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Winning immediately would be so hard to take.

Once again, the NFL is year to year. Five year or even three year plans are so much crap.
Well, considering Doom was out all of 2010, the defense last year had two new starters at dline, a new Will and Mike (still needs upgrade) and one full time safety starter and a couple of guys filling in at corner. I think that today, you can turn over a roster fully in three years.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:50 AM   #1705
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And this is why the majority of people on this board are liking the idea of bringing Manning in. They're just looking for immediate gratification rather than long-term success. They just don't have the patience for the latter.
Sorry dude I don't see Tebows development vs Mannings decline, making Tebow a better. QB then Manning in the next four years.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:53 AM   #1706
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Please tell me how building an offense more akin to what he played with in college would hurt this team.
Yes, that style has been a smashing success in the NFL...
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:54 AM   #1707
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Not really. If Tebow gets all the reps in practice and plays a full season, we'll know, fairly definitively, by the end of 2012 whether he's the future. If not we move on, and we'll have been able to invest more in the supporting cast for whoever they bring in to replace Tebow.

That's not the case with Manning. Not only will Peyton be a huge investment that will draw resources, but with Manning we're far more likely to invest in older veterans who offer short term impact. If that fails, in three years we'll have an aging roster and undeveloped young players. Just like we always did with Shanny.

With Tebow you take a building approach. With Manning the approach has to be to win immediately.
And our young talent like DT and Von will be coming to renewal time as well. They'll be alot more likely to shop around with a Manning hangover and nothing but question marks on the horizon.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:55 AM   #1708
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One could also make the argument that starting Tebow and grooming him will also mortgage the teams future.

You could play your what if game until you are blue in the face…

The bottom line is that Manning is a far better option than Tebow. He could also be a great source for Tebow to get better.

I hope Manning signs here. Denver makes a few playoff runs, Tebow is used in goal line and short yardage situations and becomes a better QB because Manning is here.

But hey, that's just me being optimistic…….feel free to go back to pissing and moaning about **** that hasn't happened yet.
Grooming a young QB is mortgaging the future? If it doesn't work out, you move on, like has happened since day one in this league. No need to compound the problem with bloated contracts on a failed all-in though.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:56 AM   #1709
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He sure is taking long to join the team i hope he just signs tonight for i can get wasted
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:56 AM   #1710
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Yes, that style has been a smashing success in the NFL...
See Newton, Cam.

Change is already happening.
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Not really. If Tebow gets all the reps in practice and plays a full season, we'll know, fairly definitively, by the end of 2012 whether he's the future. If not we move on, and we'll have been able to invest more in the supporting cast for whoever they bring in to replace Tebow.

That's not the case with Manning. Not only will Peyton be a huge investment that will draw resources, but with Manning we're far more likely to invest in older veterans who offer short term impact. If that fails, in three years we'll have an aging roster and undeveloped young players. Just like we always did with Shanny.

With Tebow you take a building approach. With Manning the approach has to be to win immediately.
Why wouldn't you want to win now?

What exactly did you see last year to make you think Tebow is the saviour?
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Tebow this tebow that what do you guys expect to run the option for 8 years
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:03 AM   #1713
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Why wouldn't you want to win now?

What exactly did you see last year to make you think Tebow is the saviour?
Did you see how the "Dream Team" in Philly worked out this year?
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:04 AM   #1714
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Why wouldn't you want to win now?

What exactly did you see last year to make you think Tebow is the saviour?
Well, we went from the worst team in football to the first Division title and playoff victory in 6 years. Did you miss that?
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10:59 a.m. (MT): 104.3 The Fan’s DMac has learned that former Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner is holding a charity event at the team’s facility today and Manning is not expected to visit, according to “people in AZ.

10:57 a.m. (MT): As far as everyone knows, Peyton Manning is still in Denver. Which is a good sign.

10:52 a.m. (MT): ABC7′s Lionel Bievnenu is citing sources which say Manning wants to avoid drama and if he likes Denver’s situation, he may just sign here before visiting anyone else. By drama, Bienvenu must mean the drama of dragging out his decision, because there would surely be Tebowmania drama in Denver is Manning signed here. The report went on to say, “Then again hard to think he would not explore all his options before signing.”

10:48 a.m. (MT): The Denver Post‘s Lindsay Jones has chimed in, speculating that the longer Manning stays in the Denver, the better the chances are of him signing with the Broncos. Until Manning talks however, nobody really knows. The Broncos — and everyone — are waiting on Manning.
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:06 AM   #1716
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Well, we went from the worst team in football to the first Division title and playoff victory in 6 years. Did you miss that?
We got lucky as hell. It's not like we went out and won the division. There were about 4 plays that if they went the other way we were 4-12.
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Well, we went from the worst team in football to the first Division title and playoff victory in 6 years. Did you miss that?
If tebow can take us that far Manning and the best players from the 10 Colts combined with our team will take us deeper.
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10:59 a.m. (MT): 104.3 The Fan’s DMac has learned that former Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner is holding a charity event at the team’s facility today and Manning is not expected to visit, according to “people in AZ.

10:57 a.m. (MT): As far as everyone knows, Peyton Manning is still in Denver. Which is a good sign.

10:52 a.m. (MT): ABC7′s Lionel Bievnenu is citing sources which say Manning wants to avoid drama and if he likes Denver’s situation, he may just sign here before visiting anyone else. By drama, Bienvenu must mean the drama of dragging out his decision, because there would surely be Tebowmania drama in Denver is Manning signed here. The report went on to say, “Then again hard to think he would not explore all his options before signing.”

10:48 a.m. (MT): The Denver Post‘s Lindsay Jones has chimed in, speculating that the longer Manning stays in the Denver, the better the chances are of him signing with the Broncos. Until Manning talks however, nobody really knows. The Broncos — and everyone — are waiting on Manning.
Wow. It certainly seems like there's a mutual interest. I'm surprised that Manning would like the Denver situation so much.
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Strangely some that like to label Tebow as "crap" and the "worst" think they should keep him around for some reason. More making sense around here.
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If tebow can take us that far Manning and the best players from the 10 Colts combined with our team will take us deeper.
I think that's a huge assumption. We got by on teams not knowing how to play us last year. With Manning it becomes purely about execution. I'm not sure we have the players for that approach.
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Well, we went from the worst team in football to the first Division title and playoff victory in 6 years. Did you miss that?
I seen us get lucky in about 6 games then finish 1-4 and back our way into the playoffs and then get lucky that Pittsburgh had alot of injuries to key players and a horrible gameplan

Did you miss that?

Do you think that will happen every year
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:11 AM   #1722
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Manning sill in town ..... how sweet it is ...Hey ole whats your face sit down and take notes boy .......
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Wow. It certainly seems like there's a mutual interest. I'm surprised that Manning would like the Denver situation so much.
I'm not at all shocked you don't think we have a good team outside of Tebow.
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He sure is taking long to join the team i hope he just signs tonight for i can get wasted
I wouldn't expect anything to happen that soon but agree it would be great if it did.
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just heard ....not sure how true , Manning agent is supposed to show up today
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