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Old 03-09-2012, 03:42 PM   #1501
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It's quite possible that he's just using as as leverage against the Fins or Cardinals.
Yeah, i was worried about that.
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Old 03-09-2012, 03:47 PM   #1502
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"Cap space" can be manufactured easily
True, but can they create enough to sign Manning and FA's and draft picks? I'd think this would be a big part of EFX's case to Manning. "Look, we can buy you more supporting cast than they can!"
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Old 03-09-2012, 03:55 PM   #1503
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True, but can they create enough to sign Manning and FA's and draft picks? I'd think this would be a big part of EFX's case to Manning. "Look, we can buy you more supporting cast than they can!"
We can always make more cap room as well. I'm sure Bailey would love to help.
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Old 03-09-2012, 03:57 PM   #1504
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Signing manning would almost guarantee that Eddie isn't back in Denver.
Regardless of Eddie's flaws as a WR...he's still a viable threat in the return game.
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Old 03-09-2012, 03:58 PM   #1505
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For those that think Manning being a Broncos isn't a good thing for whatever reason...answer me this....I.m curious because I think if you can sign Manning, you sign him...even at 80% he's better than 90% of the NFL's QB's right now.

How bad is Tebow in the minds of Elway, Fox, etc. that they would go out and try to sign this alleged washed up, injury prone, former shell of himself, big ego,one hit away from a wheelchair, choke artist, and old QB?

How bad do they think Tebow really is if they believe Manning is the better option?
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For those that think Manning being a Broncos isn't a good thing for whatever reason...answer me this....I.m curious because I think if you can sign Manning, you sign him...even at 80% he's better than 90% of the NFL's QB's right now.

How bad is Tebow in the minds of Elway, Fox, etc. that they would go out and try to sign this alleged washed up, injury prone, former shell of himself, big ego,one hit away from a wheelchair, choke artist, and old QB?

How bad do they think Tebow really is if they believe Manning is the better option?
Which means they better sign Manning since they had stated Tebow was the starter going into camp and apparently were not telling the truth, so Tebow is all but gone now whether Manning signs or not.
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Which means they better sign Manning since they had stated Tebow was the starter going into camp and apparently were not telling the truth, so Tebow is all but gone now whether Manning signs or not.
The good news is Orton will be around in 2 years so we can go back to square 1.
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Which means they better sign Manning since they had stated Tebow was the starter going into camp and apparently were not telling the truth, so Tebow is all but gone now whether Manning signs or not.
He really has no leverage unless he becomes like Cutler. That just doesnt seem within him though. Obviously, he's gotta be peeved, but he seems the type that'd rather prove people wrong than cry.
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Old 03-09-2012, 04:11 PM   #1511
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What happens in two/three years when Manning and said FA retire (Wayne, Saturday etc.) and we have nothing to show for the last three years?

We probably don't have a QB, if Elway is going all out on Manning then he needs to give him some talent, you can't waste 1st round/2nd round picks on QBs.

and what happens if we don't sign Manning and Tebow does not develop into even a moderately tolerable QB? Are we any better off that way? No.

How about this scenario...we sign Manning and draft a QB next year...he serves his apprenticeship under Manning's tutelage for the next two years, and by the time Manning does retire, we have his replacement. Is that not a plausible scenario?
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Which means they better sign Manning since they had stated Tebow was the starter going into camp and apparently were not telling the truth, so Tebow is all but gone now whether Manning signs or not.
I told you guys this yesterday and I was laughed at.
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Is it wrong that I hope we don't get Manning just to avoid the inevitable Hotrod poll that will end somehow with me, Bacon, ball bearings and a gold lame thong and Spider in some way? darn it.
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He really has no leverage unless he becomes like Cutler. That just doesnt seem within him though. Obviously, he's gotta be peeved, but he seems the type that'd rather prove people wrong than cry.
This, dude.

Tebow knows what's going on. He shouldn't get butt-hurt that we entertained a Manning offer.
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Old 03-09-2012, 04:15 PM   #1517
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There is no chance he is just taking a "tour".
well I think it's clear he's talking personnel, philosophy, offseason plans, all that stuff--but that doesn't mean he has any intention of signing a contract yet.
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Old 03-09-2012, 04:18 PM   #1519
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Bowlen's probably threatening to get in his workout shorts..
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and what happens if we don't sign Manning and Tebow does not develop into even a moderately tolerable QB? Are we any better off that way? No.

How about this scenario...we sign Manning and draft a QB next year...he serves his apprenticeship under Manning's tutelage for the next two years, and by the time Manning does retire, we have his replacement. Is that not a plausible scenario?
No, I think you get that QB this year and probably pretty early (1st or 2nd round). Also, don't expect Manning to 'tutor' anyone. He isn't a guy that wants to help anyone along... rather a guy that puts all of his effort into the plays and then discussing scenarios with the OC while the other guys take their reps.

Here is the million dollar question. Will Manning play 4 or 5 more years? If you can reasonably project that he can and will, then you go all in with him. You sign players that fit his style and you form your whole team around him. The down side is that you can't exactly replace him after he's done so you better win in that window.

With Tebow, you focus on building a more complete team that is more diverse. That's the benefit of going with Tebow... And he is much easier to replace as well.
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If that happens then it's all worth it.

Sorry if I'm of the belief that a 36 year old Manning, coming off 4 neck surgeries, who only managed 1 superbowl win in 14 years with the Colts, is unlikely to win 1 here in Denver in the next 3 years.
It's not easy to win the AFC, what with teams like NE, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Houston, Jets, a healthy SD...but would you not agree that having Manning as our QB increases our chances of doing so?
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well I think it's clear he's talking personnel, philosophy, offseason plans, all that stuff--but that doesn't mean he has any intention of signing a contract yet.
Denver would be making a huge mistake letting him out of Denver imo.
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Us showing interest doesn't speak at all to him actually coming here.
That is true...just because we show interest, doesn't mean he'll sign with us. But that goes for alot of things too.

Just because we draft defense and go with Tebow doesn't mean we'll win West again either correct?

Just because Tebow works on his passing doesn't mean he'll actually improve enough either, correct?
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We all know he isn't going to be cheap so even inquiring seems pretty pointless if you believe that story.
why would you inquire if you're not prepared to sign him if he says Yes?
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