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Old 03-08-2012, 04:56 PM   #851
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I see. Manning is not only comparable to Orton, but will actually make things worse. Makes a ton of sense
It will.. you are forgetting that if Manning comes to the Broncos the style of play will change. They will play more like McD did opening up the passing game.

This will expose all the weaknesses the Broncos have that Tebow covered up.

You are going to have the same team McD had.. and Manning's neck may be even more vulnerable than Orton at this point.. and you aren't going to have McD running the offense.. so Manning is going to have to do everything himself. In such a short time I don't see how that is going to work.. Manning did this over his whole career building the team around him and breaking guys in. Inexperienced receivers and Oline..
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What a better way to build a team than the bring in all the free agents into sort of an "all star" team!

I mean, the Eagles just won the Superbowl, right?
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If they were to stand pat with the roster as is, you're right. But even if they sign Manning, they will have ~$35 million of cap space to play around with, plus the draft.
People assume they will spend all that money and do so on good players, so we will see just what they do. They need help at RB, WR, TE, OL, DL, LB, CB, and maybe safety. Good luck becoming a Super Bowl contender with that list in one offseason.
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We could also look at Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs at guard. Nicks is probably going to become the highest paid guard in the league at between $8-$9 million per season, so he may be too rich, but Grubbs is a high quality player and will probably be around at least $1.5 million-$2 million per season cheaper.
I almost would rather see what Franklin could do at left guard. Thoughts on moving him there and signing Demetrius Bell? With Tebow as the starter I would love to see him at RT.
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I missed the part where Miami signed Wayne. Link?
If Manning goes to Miami...Wayne is a packaged deal! Take it to the bank!


http://http://profootballtalk.nbcspo...yton-in-miami/

WR is a big need in MIA....so yeah! Try to doubt that. And Garcon (or how ever you write his name) is going to keep an eye out for Manning too. He rejected a 5 year deal from the Colts...even though he knew Luck is going #1 and that WR is huge need for the Colts.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:59 PM   #856
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The problem is you seem to overestimate how good Tebow is
How is that possible? Orton played well on another team.. with no prep.. this shows that the problems were the Broncos team around Orton.

Because Tebow was so unique he could win even with such a flawed team.. he could cover up their weaknesses.. I don't think a conventional QB like Manning could do that.. even as great as he is. He couldn't do it with the Colts why could he with the Broncos?

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True, I would be surprised to see Manning sign with the Broncos unless it was just for the money. They are not a Super Bowl team even if had a healthy Manning of 4 years ago much less now. They would also have to trade Tebow since that move would signal no confidence in him and maybe have to anyway if just trying to pursue Manning.
I disagree. I don't think the Broncos or most teams are nearly as far away from a Super Bowl as you say. The 9-7 Giants won a Super Bowl this year. There are no great teams right now. Any team with a QB like Manning is a contender. Not to mention a team that can rush the passer like Dumervil and Miller.
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If Manning goes to Miami...Wayne is a packaged deal! Take it to the bank!


http://http://profootballtalk.nbcspo...yton-in-miami/

WR is a big need in MIA....so yeah! Try to doubt that. And Garcon (or how ever you write his name) is going to keep an eye out for Manning too. He rejected a 5 year deal from the Colts...even though he knew Luck is going #1 and that WR is huge need for the Colts.
So he hasn't signed with the Phins yet? Gotcha. WR is a huge need in Denver too so I bet he is a packaged deal here so I guess that means we have Thomas, Decker, and Wayne.
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Old 03-08-2012, 05:02 PM   #859
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What a better way to build a team than the bring in all the free agents into sort of an "all star" team!

I mean, the Eagles just won the Superbowl, right?
Kind of a funny statement. Here's a hint think QB.
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I disagree. I don't think the Broncos or most teams are nearly as far away from a Super Bowl as you say. The 9-7 Giants won a Super Bowl this year. There are no great teams right now. Any team with a QB like Manning is a contender. Not to mention a team that can rush the passer like Dumervil and Miller.
So the Broncos have as much talent as the Giants do? Miller and Dumervil did not exactly have much impact in games when they faced really good offenses.
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What a better way to build a team than the bring in all the free agents into sort of an "all star" team!

I mean, the Eagles just won the Superbowl, right?
No it's not. We have cap room so might as well add talent though wouldn't you agree?
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No it's not. We have cap room so might as well add talent though wouldn't you agree?
Adding a couple of late 20s free agents to long term deals is okay by me, but adding a 36 year old 4-neck-surgery QB to a rebuilding team is just a waste of resources.
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Adding a couple of late 20s free agents to long term deals is okay by me, but adding a 36 year old 4-neck-surgery QB to a rebuilding team is just a waste of resources.
Almost half the NFL GMs/FO don't agree with you at all.
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So the Broncos have as much talent as the Giants do? Miller and Dumervil did not exactly have much impact in games when they faced really good offenses.
I'm saying the gap between the Broncos and the Giants or the other top teams is not as large as you propose it is if this team adds Peyton Manning, some free agents, and another decent draft class.
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Almost half the NFL GMs and FO don't agree with you at all.
So you're saying that over 50% of NFL GMs agree with me? Thanks....
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Manning would not sign with the Broncos with hopes they would then sign a bunch of free agents and hope they could be a very good team. People forget this team started out 1-4, coming off just going what 7-24 or whatever it was, and adding Manning is going to make this team a 11-12 win team? I just don't see this happening, at least for Manning's benefit.
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People assume they will spend all that money and do so on good players, so we will see just what they do. They need help at RB, WR, TE, OL, DL, LB, CB, and maybe safety. Good luck becoming a Super Bowl contender with that list in one offseason.
There's not a team in the league that doesn't have weak areas, including the Giants. Hell, they were a 9-7 team who just snuck into the playoffs the last week of the season. There's no such thing as a complete team anymore with the salary cap. We can't fix all our holes, but we can fix some of them, and the key to winning a SB in this era is a great QB who can mask a lot of weaknesses.
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I disagree. I don't think the Broncos or most teams are nearly as far away from a Super Bowl as you say. The 9-7 Giants won a Super Bowl this year. There are no great teams right now. Any team with a QB like Manning is a contender. Not to mention a team that can rush the passer like Dumervil and Miller.
Another that goes Full Retard. What the hell are you taking about? They have the best defensive line...and depth. They were stacked at WR. Manning played lights out. They get a running game going and that is a tough team to beat.

...they had Freeney and Mathis and a loaded offense and only managed to reach the Superbowl 2 times. Manning could very well be the best QB ever, but that doesn't take away that he has always been a choke artist in the playoffs.
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So you're saying that over 50% of NFL GMs agree with me? Thanks....
Yes because teams like the Giants, Pats, Packers, Saints, Pitt, Colts (just cut him), Panthers, Chargers should count.
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I'm saying the gap between the Broncos and the Giants or the other top teams is not as large as you propose it is if this team adds Peyton Manning, some free agents, and another decent draft class.
Actually it is when you consider the Broncos played in one of the worst divisions in the NFL and that was pretty much the case last year too. Add if they are drafting towards the bottom of every round and hard to see getting that many impact rookies ready to do great things right away. Sorry, but the Broncos are not that close to the Giants other than in record but the Giants didn't dominate when they won the Super Bowl a few years ago either.
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Manning would not sign with the Broncos with hopes they would then sign a bunch of free agents and hope they could be a very good team. People forget this team started out 1-4, coming off just going what 7-24 or whatever it was, and adding Manning is going to make this team a 11-12 win team? I just don't see this happening, at least for Manning's benefit.
I don't think they have to win 12 games. 10 games could win the West. Then you get into the playoffs and see what happens. With Peyton Manning.
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So he hasn't signed with the Phins yet? Gotcha. WR is a huge need in Denver too so I bet he is a packaged deal here so I guess that means we have Thomas, Decker, and Wayne.
Would still take Wayne, Bmarsh, Bess and Fassano (our TEs suck). Plus the have a way better OL than ours. (At least pass blocking wise)
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There's not a team in the league that doesn't have weak areas, including the Giants. Hell, they were a 9-7 team who just snuck into the playoffs the last week of the season. There's no such thing as a complete team anymore with the salary cap. We can't fix all our holes, but we can fix some of them, and the key to winning a SB in this era is a great QB who can mask a lot of weaknesses.
The Giants's main problem was sleepwalking much of the season, but have a penchant for turning it on when they need to. They did the same when they won their Super Bowl a few years ago. The Broncos are nothing like that right now.
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Manning would not sign with the Broncos with hopes they would then sign a bunch of free agents and hope they could be a very good team. People forget this team started out 1-4, coming off just going what 7-24 or whatever it was, and adding Manning is going to make this team a 11-12 win team? I just don't see this happening, at least for Manning's benefit.
People fail to realize the lockout affected teams more that had complete overhauls in the coaching staff. Teams that had stability in their coaching staff had the same playbook. This team had a bunch of new players with a bunch of new coaches holding new playbooks trying to jam an offseason in a month. That had something to do with going 1-4.
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Wow, I didn't think for a minute the Broncs would really be serious players for Peyton, or Peyton would take it seriously. But a boatload of people think that is the case.

Have to wait and see how it pans out. If it does the implications are obviously enormous, both positive and negative.

I have to admit I'm getting a little excited about such a huge move actually happening.
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