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Old 03-16-2012, 05:47 PM   #4651
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Old 03-16-2012, 05:47 PM   #4652
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But none of this is even remotely true. It's just you barking belligerently into a keyboard. We have no idea how this is going to turn out.
I have no problem with this exercise failing but the way it is failing is so utterly predictable. Peyton's high maintenance and is being courted like the prize pig at the state fair and our guys are chasing this at the expense of all else. It hasn't bitten us hard yet but that time is rapidly approaching. Just because EFX put FA on hold for their courtship doesn't mean anyone else will.
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Old 03-16-2012, 05:47 PM   #4653
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Lost in all this is Bunkley. But I guess no one is calling his phone? Maybe the longer they wait if there's no interest in him they can lower their offer?
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Old 03-16-2012, 05:49 PM   #4654
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Lost in all this is Bunkley. But I guess no one is calling his phone? Maybe the longer they wait if there's no interest in him they can lower their offer?
Pat Bidwell and EFX are getting us value.
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Old 03-16-2012, 05:50 PM   #4655
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Old 03-16-2012, 05:51 PM   #4656
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The complaint is simple TJ

They put everything else on hold for Manning.

When a team has near $50m in caproom you expect them to be at least a little aggresive in free agency, yet we put every other position on the team on the backburner, now I can live with that with offensive personnel but not defensive, because the acquistion of Manning shouldn't affect the defense in anyway whatsoever.

We are currently sitting with 2 DT starters who played 0 games between them last year and both are major injury concerns, we still have Andre Goodman as a starting CB, Dawkins by all accounts is retiring, sure we brought in an average safety to compete with Moore but it is nowhere near good enough. LB concerns across the board aside from Von Miller, the list is endless and although signing McClain would be a start the 2 other players Trufant and Hayes were 2 of the worst starters at their position in the league last year and Trufant has a serious injury history.

My point is if you want Manning in to win you a Superbowl you better strengthen other areas of the team, Denver haven't even looked near that at any level worth making note of.

I guess I just don't have any problem putting everything on hold to risk getting Manning. I'm pumped that we're doing it. If we lose, we lose. There's plenty of free agency left, even if we're not overpaying for Mario Williams.

I think that you're right that we have plenty of holes to fill, but I don't understand this idea that we've done nothing to begin to address them. We've got free agents coming in - including a great CB and a great prospect MLB, we've signed a safety, and there's more to come on top of a draft.

I can't understand why all the piss about this.
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My guess, the returning hero's that didn't sign anyone today.
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My guess, the returning hero's that didn't sign anyone today.
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Old 03-16-2012, 06:05 PM   #4659
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I guess I just don't have any problem putting everything on hold to risk getting Manning. I'm pumped that we're doing it. If we lose, we lose. There's plenty of free agency left, even if we're not overpaying for Mario Williams.

I think that you're right that we have plenty of holes to fill, but I don't understand this idea that we've done nothing to begin to address them. We've got free agents coming in - including a great CB and a great prospect MLB, we've signed a safety, and there's more to come on top of a draft.

I can't understand why all the piss about this.
No offense TJ but you must be using a tardis if you think Trufant is a great CB, try used to be great now done CB.
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I bet the Broncos would have issues getting players to sign anyway, who wants to play with a piece of **** like Tebow?
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I don't think they ever intended to go after the high-priced people like Williams, Nicks, Jackson, etc. Even if Manning had never entered the picture.
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Old 03-16-2012, 06:09 PM   #4662
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"8:00 pm Chri$ Morten$en reported on ESPN that he is 51% sure that Manning would pick a team by 4pm on Monday; further, when he was pressed with a guess on which team it would be, he picked Denver.

Mortensen sat on the 49ers info all week long, he's in bed with CAA, and is probably being fed information from Manning's camp. Hard to imagine he guesses wrong"
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Old 03-16-2012, 06:10 PM   #4663
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I don't think they ever intended to go after the high-priced people like Williams, Nicks, Jackson, etc. Even if Manning had never entered the picture.
Who cares about the high priced people? Why can't we sign the younger starter with upside types like McClain or Soliai? Why aren't we going after guys like Jones, Okoye, etc.?
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No offense TJ but you must be using a tardis if you think Trufant is a great CB, try used to be great now done CB.
I probably would have been better using the word "solid" rather than great. Either way, the point still stands.
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Old 03-16-2012, 06:12 PM   #4665
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The whole thing is giving me a headache...
You almost perfectly encapsulated my confusion with this post.
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Old 03-16-2012, 06:14 PM   #4666
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I probably would have been better using the word "solid" rather than great. Either way, the point still stands.
If his back holds out then I'll give you decent.
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Old 03-16-2012, 06:14 PM   #4667
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I have no problem with this exercise failing but the way it is failing is so utterly predictable. Peyton's high maintenance and is being courted like the prize pig at the state fair and our guys are chasing this at the expense of all else. It hasn't bitten us hard yet but that time is rapidly approaching. Just because EFX put FA on hold for their courtship doesn't mean anyone else will.

Just trying to understand what the issue is... are you saying you're fine with free agency the way the FO has gone about it other than their pursuit of Manning? Say... if they'd spent the $90 million on Williams instead?
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Old 03-16-2012, 06:15 PM   #4668
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Who cares about the high priced people? Why can't we sign the younger starter with upside types like McClain or Soliai? Why aren't we going after guys like Jones, Okoye, etc.?
That wouldn't bother me if we were but I haven't come across any links to Jones or Okoye aside from Kils speculation before FA.
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Who cares about the high priced people? Why can't we sign the younger starter with upside types like McClain or Soliai? Why aren't we going after guys like Jones, Okoye, etc.?
They tried to sign Soliai, he took a home town discount. They can still go after Jones and Okoye.
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So more importantly what's the over/under on the pages on this thread before 18 gets his head out of his ass and signs for us
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Old 03-16-2012, 06:17 PM   #4671
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Considering the number of Tebow fans pretending to be bronco fans... I'm not real surprised by the reaction.
This is of course a moronic way to spin the issue but it does touch on it. It all splits on Tebow. If you think Tim has a chance to be a long time starter, you're going to be much slower to pull the trigger on any sort of Mangini Gambit.

If you think Tebow sux4life, you'll take the chance for two years.

There are varying degrees inbetween. Some people think we can have both.

But it still all hinges on the same issue.
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Just trying to understand what the issue is... are you saying you're fine with free agency the way the FO has gone about it other than their pursuit of Manning? Say... if they'd spent the $90 million on Williams instead?
I prefer Mario. We can haggle over price but notice Mario didn't string it along for a week while giving maybes and vagaries? Our squad is getting pumped and dumped and if Manning ends up in Denver it is because it was the last, best option but never his first choice.
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Who cares about the high priced people? Why can't we sign the younger starter with upside types like McClain or Soliai? Why aren't we going after guys like Jones, Okoye, etc.?
I feel you, but know this, Young players with high upside expect to be paid when they pan out. Not that that is a bad thing, but you do have to take that into account. I think the Broncos want to go long in the Draft in the next couple of years if they get manning and Begin to build for 3 years from now as well as now. Which is the smart thing to do, and not many teams have the cap space to both build and win. We are in a good spot here. No reason to go absolutely crazy in the FA market until we know we have a legit shot at taking it all.
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"8:00 pm Chri$ Morten$en reported on ESPN that he is 51% sure that Manning would pick a team by 4pm on Monday; further, when he was pressed with a guess on which team it would be, he picked Denver.

Mortensen sat on the 49ers info all week long, he's in bed with CAA, and is probably being fed information from Manning's camp. Hard to imagine he guesses wrong"
Wasn't it Mort who said shanny was going to coach the chefs?
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This is of course a moronic way to spin the issue but it does touch on it. It all splits on Tebow. If you think Tim has a chance to be a long time starter, you're going to be much slower to pull the trigger on any sort of Mangini Gambit.

If you think Tebow sux4life, you'll take the chance for two years.

There are varying degrees inbetween. Some people think we can have both.

But it still all hinges on the same issue.
As a corollary: if you think Tebow sux4life, you tend to think this team is a Super Bowl contender that's just a quarterback away from a possibly dynasty.

at Walton and Beadles blocking for Peyton.
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