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Old 03-16-2012, 04:40 PM   #4576
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I don't get it either. We're actually in position to be players in the greatest free agency hunt in NFL history. The fact that we're even in position is awesome, but add that we're actually going full throttle - I can't understand the complaints. Elway is sending a message to the league,the players, and the fans that he'll do whatever he thinks it takes to win a Superbowl now. What exactly is the problem here?

It's like people don't like the idea that John Elway is going to try to win the Superbowl every year that he can. Have people forgotten that John Elway only cares about winning Superbowls? I don't understand the malfunction happening in our fanbase over this.
The complaint is simple TJ

They put everything else on hold for Manning.

When a team has near $50m in caproom you expect them to be at least a little aggresive in free agency, yet we put every other position on the team on the backburner, now I can live with that with offensive personnel but not defensive, because the acquistion of Manning shouldn't affect the defense in anyway whatsoever.

We are currently sitting with 2 DT starters who played 0 games between them last year and both are major injury concerns, we still have Andre Goodman as a starting CB, Dawkins by all accounts is retiring, sure we brought in an average safety to compete with Moore but it is nowhere near good enough. LB concerns across the board aside from Von Miller, the list is endless and although signing McClain would be a start the 2 other players Trufant and Hayes were 2 of the worst starters at their position in the league last year and Trufant has a serious injury history.

My point is if you want Manning in to win you a Superbowl you better strengthen other areas of the team, Denver haven't even looked near that at any level worth making note of.
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I don't get it either. We're actually in position to be players in the greatest free agency hunt in NFL history. The fact that we're even in position is awesome, but add that we're actually going full throttle - I can't understand the complaints. Elway is sending a message to the league,the players, and the fans that he'll do whatever he thinks it takes to win a Superbowl now. What exactly is the problem here?

It's like people don't like the idea that John Elway is going to try to win the Superbowl every year that he can. Have people forgotten that John Elway only cares about winning Superbowls? I don't understand the malfunction happening in our fanbase over this.
Considering the number of Tebow fans pretending to be bronco fans... I'm not real surprised by the reaction.
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Old 03-16-2012, 04:41 PM   #4578
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I'm hoping our only problem will be the equipment guy having to deal with a custom sized helmet for Mannings pumpkin head.
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Old 03-16-2012, 04:43 PM   #4579
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Our FO is getting pumped, chumped, then dumped while ignoring other FA possibilities, signing one mid level safety, and generally just going through the motions with the rest of FA. The guy costs too much, we have numerous holes to fill, we're being used as leverage, we're getting jerked around for over a week, our FO is jet setting about with a paparazzi trail that would make the Kardashians jealous, we got shown up by Bud Adams, and they won't get their guy because SF has come in, like ninjas, and taken their prize. They drank John's shake.
But none of this is even remotely true. It's just you barking belligerently into a keyboard. We have no idea how this is going to turn out.
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I hold a different (yet highly unpopular opinion) that the broncos were not going to over pay for any of the big free agents except manning. I don't think we missed out on anything. In fact, I believe the guys that we targeted (with a few exceptions) are mid level upgrades at key positions and we will fill the rest with fresh draft talent. (See Fleener) I don't think the front office had any intention of paying guys like Mario Williams peyton Manning money because that signing wasn't going to put us over the top. You only spend that kind of money if the signing is going to be the final piece you need to be a contender.
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But none of this is even remotely true. It's just you barking belligerently into a keyboard. We have no idea how this is going to turn out.
I have no problem with this exercise failing but the way it is failing is so utterly predictable. Peyton's high maintenance and is being courted like the prize pig at the state fair and our guys are chasing this at the expense of all else. It hasn't bitten us hard yet but that time is rapidly approaching. Just because EFX put FA on hold for their courtship doesn't mean anyone else will.
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Lost in all this is Bunkley. But I guess no one is calling his phone? Maybe the longer they wait if there's no interest in him they can lower their offer?
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Lost in all this is Bunkley. But I guess no one is calling his phone? Maybe the longer they wait if there's no interest in him they can lower their offer?
Pat Bidwell and EFX are getting us value.
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The complaint is simple TJ

They put everything else on hold for Manning.

When a team has near $50m in caproom you expect them to be at least a little aggresive in free agency, yet we put every other position on the team on the backburner, now I can live with that with offensive personnel but not defensive, because the acquistion of Manning shouldn't affect the defense in anyway whatsoever.

We are currently sitting with 2 DT starters who played 0 games between them last year and both are major injury concerns, we still have Andre Goodman as a starting CB, Dawkins by all accounts is retiring, sure we brought in an average safety to compete with Moore but it is nowhere near good enough. LB concerns across the board aside from Von Miller, the list is endless and although signing McClain would be a start the 2 other players Trufant and Hayes were 2 of the worst starters at their position in the league last year and Trufant has a serious injury history.

My point is if you want Manning in to win you a Superbowl you better strengthen other areas of the team, Denver haven't even looked near that at any level worth making note of.

I guess I just don't have any problem putting everything on hold to risk getting Manning. I'm pumped that we're doing it. If we lose, we lose. There's plenty of free agency left, even if we're not overpaying for Mario Williams.

I think that you're right that we have plenty of holes to fill, but I don't understand this idea that we've done nothing to begin to address them. We've got free agents coming in - including a great CB and a great prospect MLB, we've signed a safety, and there's more to come on top of a draft.

I can't understand why all the piss about this.
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My guess, the returning hero's that didn't sign anyone today.
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My guess, the returning hero's that didn't sign anyone today.
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I guess I just don't have any problem putting everything on hold to risk getting Manning. I'm pumped that we're doing it. If we lose, we lose. There's plenty of free agency left, even if we're not overpaying for Mario Williams.

I think that you're right that we have plenty of holes to fill, but I don't understand this idea that we've done nothing to begin to address them. We've got free agents coming in - including a great CB and a great prospect MLB, we've signed a safety, and there's more to come on top of a draft.

I can't understand why all the piss about this.
No offense TJ but you must be using a tardis if you think Trufant is a great CB, try used to be great now done CB.
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I bet the Broncos would have issues getting players to sign anyway, who wants to play with a piece of **** like Tebow?
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I don't think they ever intended to go after the high-priced people like Williams, Nicks, Jackson, etc. Even if Manning had never entered the picture.
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"8:00 pm Chri$ Morten$en reported on ESPN that he is 51% sure that Manning would pick a team by 4pm on Monday; further, when he was pressed with a guess on which team it would be, he picked Denver.

Mortensen sat on the 49ers info all week long, he's in bed with CAA, and is probably being fed information from Manning's camp. Hard to imagine he guesses wrong"
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I don't think they ever intended to go after the high-priced people like Williams, Nicks, Jackson, etc. Even if Manning had never entered the picture.
Who cares about the high priced people? Why can't we sign the younger starter with upside types like McClain or Soliai? Why aren't we going after guys like Jones, Okoye, etc.?
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No offense TJ but you must be using a tardis if you think Trufant is a great CB, try used to be great now done CB.
I probably would have been better using the word "solid" rather than great. Either way, the point still stands.
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The whole thing is giving me a headache...
You almost perfectly encapsulated my confusion with this post.
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I probably would have been better using the word "solid" rather than great. Either way, the point still stands.
If his back holds out then I'll give you decent.
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I have no problem with this exercise failing but the way it is failing is so utterly predictable. Peyton's high maintenance and is being courted like the prize pig at the state fair and our guys are chasing this at the expense of all else. It hasn't bitten us hard yet but that time is rapidly approaching. Just because EFX put FA on hold for their courtship doesn't mean anyone else will.

Just trying to understand what the issue is... are you saying you're fine with free agency the way the FO has gone about it other than their pursuit of Manning? Say... if they'd spent the $90 million on Williams instead?
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Who cares about the high priced people? Why can't we sign the younger starter with upside types like McClain or Soliai? Why aren't we going after guys like Jones, Okoye, etc.?
That wouldn't bother me if we were but I haven't come across any links to Jones or Okoye aside from Kils speculation before FA.
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Who cares about the high priced people? Why can't we sign the younger starter with upside types like McClain or Soliai? Why aren't we going after guys like Jones, Okoye, etc.?
They tried to sign Soliai, he took a home town discount. They can still go after Jones and Okoye.
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So more importantly what's the over/under on the pages on this thread before 18 gets his head out of his ass and signs for us
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