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Old 03-16-2012, 12:53 PM   #4276
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One thing you have to understand is the top guys like Manning and Brady get a lot of pressure from the NFLPA to maximize their market value because it sets the market for other players. Brady got a lot of **** back around 2005 or thereabouts when he took a 6 year $60 million deal that was viewed as being below his market worth. It's not just Manning being greedy.
Yeah, it's not Peyton. He'd happily hand over the millions, but he doesn't wanna get the old evil eye from the union rep.

Meanwhile his teammates make less money to make room for him. Apparently they're more benevolent than the NFLPA.

Besides, payroll figures are soon to have a floor and a ceiling in place for a long long time. Encouraging QB's to eat more and more of that just makes less pie available for everyone else.
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Old 03-16-2012, 12:53 PM   #4277
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Everything I've read about Peyton's old contract said 5 years for 90 though. How does that work?
No idea, I only know what he was going to be paid this season. The Colts would've paid that $28m but spread the hit over the remaining 4 years of his deal giving him a cap hit of near $18m, as it is they only saved cash by releasing him, no caproom.
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Old 03-16-2012, 12:54 PM   #4278
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The 2 years $61.4m was what he would've been paid over the last 2 years with the Colts had he remained on the team.
The way Klis said that those are the parameters hopefully was just deceiving.

What would Winston's actual cap # for 2012 be though?
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Old 03-16-2012, 12:55 PM   #4279
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~$15 million


They'll need about $5 million to sign their rookies.

This makes me feel much better...
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Old 03-16-2012, 12:55 PM   #4280
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Nah. This is nothing. We carried over $27 million in cap room from last year under the new rules. We still have $15 million in cap space if this deal goes through.

This is brilliant because we're offering more in guaranteed money than either team has in cap space and could hope to match.
Brilliant in that we've only got $15 left to fill more holes than we can count. Brilliant in that we're paying more than anyone else could HOPE to pay?

Sounds insane to me.
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One thing you have to understand is the top guys like Manning and Brady get a lot of pressure from the NFLPA to maximize their market value because it sets the market for other players. Brady got a lot of **** back around 2005 or thereabouts when he took a 6 year $60 million deal that was viewed as being below his market worth. It's not just a matter of Manning being greedy.
I think Manning could careless about the NFLPA. He has 3-4 years left in him and he wants to win superbowls. He is filthy rich... the only reason he is risking his health is for his legacy. Of course it wont come cheap because he knows his value. But if he is true... he would sign with the better team. Even if it means taking a bit of less money. Brady knows that his contract gives him and his team a better chance to win. He doesn't care about old men pushing him to be greedier for the sake of future FA. He is a winner. He gets it. John Elway got it in his last years.
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Old 03-16-2012, 12:57 PM   #4282
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Yeah, it's not Peyton. He'd happily hand over the millions, but he doesn't wanna get the old evil eye from the union rep.

Meanwhile his teammates make less money to make room for him. Apparently they're more benevolent than the NFLPA.

Besides, payroll figures are soon to have a floor and a ceiling in place for a long long time. Encouraging QB's to eat more and more of that just makes less pie available for everyone else.
I'm not saying that Peyton doesn't want to get paid, I'm just telling you the realities of the pressures they face in terms of not taking "discounts." And you're wrong....salaries at every position are on a constant upward trend, not just QBs. The NFLPA wants to keep it that way. What if Manning signs with San Fran for $12 million a year? Brees is sitting in New Orleans trying to negotiate with the Saints. Manning has just given leverage to the Saints front office with Brees. You think that would make him popular with the other players? You're ignorant if you can't see that that's how it works.
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I will never understand the fans complaining about the money. It isn't your money and the team has the cap room.
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Brilliant in that we've only got $15 left to fill more holes than we can count. Brilliant in that we're paying more than anyone else could HOPE to pay?

Sounds insane to me.
Pffft... Only $15 million...

I get it. You don't want this deal to go through. Fine. But don't be an idiot over it.
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So what are 49'ers cap numbers??
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Carlos Rogers just ate up 5 mil yesterday.
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Old 03-16-2012, 12:59 PM   #4286
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I will never understand the fans complaining about the money. It isn't your money and the team has the cap room.
Season tickets are free?
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Old 03-16-2012, 12:59 PM   #4287
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I'm not saying that Peyton doesn't want to get paid, I'm just telling you the realities of the pressures they face in terms of not taking "discounts." And you're wrong....salaries at every position are on a constant upward trend, not just QBs. The NFLPA wants to keep it that way. What if Manning signs with San Fran for $12 million a year? Brees is sitting in New Orleans trying to negotiate with the Saints. Manning has just given leverage to the Saints front office with Brees. You think that would make him popular with the other players? You're ignorant if you can't see that that's how it works.
Pay is now tied to league revenues. The NFLPA represents far more other players than QB's. QB's driving up their share of the salary cap automatically means less pay for everyone else.
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Season tickets are free?
They cost the same amount whether Peyton Manning signs, or whether we miss him.
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I will never understand the fans complaining about the money. It isn't your money and the team has the cap room.
I think it's more about all that money going to one player instead of using it on other players who can help the team win. No one is complaining about maxing out the cap, it's more of how the money is being used.
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Season tickets are free?
Yes. Why, do the raiders charge you for theirs?
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:01 PM   #4291
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Pffft... Only $15 million...

I get it. You don't want this deal to go through. Fine. But don't be an idiot over it.
How much will it cost for a #2 wideout?
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I think it's more about all that money going to one player instead of using it on other players who can help the team win. No one is complaining about maxing out the cap, it's more of how the money is being used.
Yeah, but all the whining ignores the fact that we carried over nearly $30 million dollars from last year. That money no longer vanishes - it carries over. Spending that carry over money on talent like Peyton Manning is not a bad move at all.
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How much will it cost for a #2 wideout?
What's Decker making? That's how much.


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I think it's more about all that money going to one player instead of using it on other players who can help the team win. No one is complaining about maxing out the cap, it's more of how the money is being used.
I get this, I just don't think we are near maxing out the cap with the Manning signing. He would have to take like 40+ mil this season to accomplish that.

This is all based on my understanding of our current cap space. I have seen confpicting reports and could be wrong here.

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Pay is now tied to league revenues. The NFLPA represents far more other players than QB's. QB's driving up their share of the salary cap automatically means less pay for everyone else.
What the hell are you talking about? QBs have always earned more than players at other positions. The salaries for every other position continue to rise as well. And that will only continue once the new TV money kicks in next season. Eddie mac posted the figure the other day, but the cap is expected to increase substantially next season (and thus the continued upward mobility of salaries all around).
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The way Klis said that those are the parameters hopefully was just deceiving.

What would Winston's actual cap # for 2012 be though?
No idea but he wants to be the highest paid RT in the league.
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Make no mistake. Just cause niners give the best chance it's still about money. Manning is putting up a greater risk of paralysis than the average player. He's gonna play for plenty of money. If it comes down to more money or best chance to win it's the money based on his risk of wheelchair futures
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Yeah, but all the whining ignores the fact that we carried over nearly $30 million dollars from last year. That money no longer vanishes - it carries over. Spending that carry over money on talent like Peyton Manning is not a bad move at all.
I guess this is Denver's ace card in their negotiations.
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What the hell are you talking about? QBs have always earned more than players at other positions. The salaries for every other position continue to rise as well. And that will only continue once the new TV money kicks in next season. Eddie mac posted the figure the other day, but the cap is expected to increase substantially next season (and thus the continued upward mobility of salaries all around).
You're missing the point. The salary cap no longer has anything to do with how much players can drive up their salaries. The cap is based on REVENUE. So from a players' perspective, it is essentially fixed.

One player making more equals other players making less. Whether the cap goes up or down is irrelevant. The NFLPA would have no interest in watching QB's eat up as much of that cap as possible. Because it hurts everyone else.
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