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Old 02-26-2012, 06:50 PM   #26
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Actually if you watched 20/20 this weekend you would know that it's possible to add about 6 inches to one's height. Just sayin'.
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It's not common is my point. Very rare.
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So are you saying that Turbin will be like 250lbs once he gets to the NFL? Or what are you saying exactly?
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I have and I'm going to go back to that espn inside website, and do the same excel average, this time using only the top 15 prospects (instead of the 50 i did before)

If I'm wrong, I will own up. If this number is 210-214 lbs like i think it will be, these guys clearly put on at least 5 pounds
You're probably not far off when it comes to the typical weight gain, I could easily see 5+ pounds being normal. I was just pointing out that coming to that conclusion on the basis of combine average versus NFL average is illogical. It's also silly to judge a guy by comparing him to the combine average, for similar reasons.
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So are you saying that Turbin will be like 250lbs once he gets to the NFL? Or what are you saying exactly?
There isn't one... It's an amazing volume of backpedaling/spin
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:07 PM   #30
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So are you saying that Turbin will be like 250lbs once he gets to the NFL? Or what are you saying exactly?
I can't say for sure that he'll put on 5 pounds, but if I had to guess, I'd say his playing weight will be a solid 226-230 once he puts on some weight in his legs. (He was 222 today, not 225)
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Alright, forget the weight. The guy is built like a brick ****house. He looks like he can eat rocks and **** gunpowder. 222-225-230lbs running 4.44-4.47 is a f'ing load to bring down and because of some issues he may have slid to a spot where we could get him while addressing d needs in the first and second rounds but he may be going in the second and I can't justify us taking offense in the first two rounds.
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Alright, forget the weight. The guy is built like a brick ****house. He looks like he can eat rocks and **** gunpowder. 222-225-230lbs running 4.44-4.47 is a f'ing load to bring down and because of some issues he may have slid to a spot where we could get him while addressing d needs in the first and second rounds but he may be going in the second and I can't justify us taking offense in the first two rounds.
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I could justify drafting a RB in the second round pretty easily, I think.
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I would trade our 2012, 13, and 14 first rounders to draft Emma Stone.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:35 PM   #35
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I could justify drafting a RB in the second round pretty easily, I think.
See? Now we're back to talking turkey.
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That doesn't help the fallacy in your thinking that just because NFL RBs are heavier on average they must have gained that weight after being drafted. Had you even considered that perhaps the ones who had success were the ones who were above the combine average, and then stuck around in the league thereby raising the average NFL RB weight?

It's silly logic, dude.
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I have and I'm going to go back to that espn inside website, and do the same excel average, this time using only the top 15 prospects (instead of the 50 i did before)

If I'm wrong, I will own up. If this number is 210-214 lbs like i think it will be, these guys clearly put on at least 5 pounds
Average weights of top 10 drafted nfl rb prospects from 2006-2011


2012 Top-10 prospects have not been determined, and cannot be used.
*all RB's drafted and played at FB were ommited, as all FB prospects were listed under "RB" on this site (Greg Jones, Madison Hedgecock, etc.)

2011- 214 lbs

2010- 210 lbs

2009- 213 lbs

2008- 211 lbs

2007- 214 lbs

2006-212 lbs
In conclusion, the average of these top RB picks over the last 6 years is 212 lbs. Essentially, each top drafted running back puts on close to 8 pounds of the course of their career.

So Shanahan, you were "right" in that better players weigh more, which I wouldn't have disagreed with... ever.

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That doesn't help the fallacy in your thinking that just because NFL RBs are heavier on average they must have gained that weight after being drafted.
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You're probably not far off when it comes to the typical weight gain, I could easily see 5+ pounds being normal.
my "fallacy" was a fact. The fact is players did put on 7+ pounds on average after being drafted. I don't mean to rub it in, or be a pompous a-hole, but.. case dismissed. lastly:

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I had thought about that, but I knew that it wouldn't account for all of the weight differential.

Also, Reverend, I totally pulled that statistic that rookie running backs put on 5 pounds out of my ass, huh? I can't even refute claims you made, because you never made any claims. You just said I was backpedaling and utilized your (in my opinion) horrible jokes and entertaining but still annoying gifs.
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Also, Reverend, I totally pulled that statistic that rookie running backs put on 5 pounds out of my ass, huh? I can't even refute claims you made, because you never made any claims. You just said I was backpedaling and utilized your (in my opinion) horrible jokes and entertaining but still annoying gifs.
...yes, yes I did make a claim.

I claimed he didn't have tremendous size because he's 2% bigger than the average NFL RB.

You called that blatantly wrong... but its an actual fact that you even ended up admitting.
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...yes, yes I did make a claim.

I claimed he didn't have tremendous size because he's 2% bigger than the average NFL RB.

You called that blatantly wrong... but its an actual fact that you even ended up admitting.
I can admit that those numbers are correct, but I refuted the importance of those numbers since the combine numbers are what matter.

Since, like I just proved, each player, including Turbin, will hypothetically put on an average of 8 pounds, putting at Turbin at a massive 228-235. Not so "above average" anymore, huh? That's a full 8-15 pounds bigger than the average back, 4-6% more than the average back. At the very minimum, that's 2-3 times bigger than your estimate.

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I can admit that those numbers are correct, but I refuted the importance of those numbers since the combine numbers are what matter.

Since, like I just proved, each player, including Turbin, will hypothetically put on an average of 8 pounds, putting at Turbin at a massive 228-235. Not so "above average" anymore, huh? That's a full 8-15 pounds bigger than the average back, 4-6% more than the average back. At the very minimum, that's 2-3 times bigger than your estimate.

Case closed.
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Did he just claim to have proved a hypothetical?
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Oh jesus christ.
Backed into a corner, this is how you resort.

No facts, and when you offer them, they are useless, like the one you used on the firs page.
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Did he just claim to have proved a hypothetical?
Yes, because the hypothetical (wrong word choiceage on my part to begin with!) is based off of a fact that i just proved to you.
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...yes, yes I did make a claim.

I claimed he didn't have tremendous size because he's 2% bigger than the average NFL RB.

You called that blatantly wrong... but its an actual fact that you even ended up admitting.
I will stipulate the size issue if we can get this discussion back on track. I like the idea of a 220+lb rb who runs sub 4.5 and is ripped with a high motor, great character, and tremendous work ethic.
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I will stipulate the size issue if we can get this discussion back on track. I like the idea of a 220+lb rb who runs sub 4.5 and is ripped with a high motor, great character, and tremendous work ethic.
ME TOO. We should draft him in the second if he is the best player available. He might have injury problems, but at least Fox utilizes a 2 back scheme.
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Since, like I just proved, each player, including Turbin, will hypothetically
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I can admit that those numbers are correct, but I refuted the importance of those numbers since the combine numbers are what matter.

Since, like I just proved, each player, including Turbin, will hypothetically put on an average of 8 pounds, putting at Turbin at a massive 228-235. Not so "above average" anymore, huh? That's a full 8-15 pounds bigger than the average back, 4-6% more than the average back. At the very minimum, that's 2-3 times bigger than your estimate.

Case closed.
Dude I am not a doctor but you may need more fiber in your diet.
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once again, it was poor word choiceage on my part. cross out hypothetically, change it to actually. since you know, it's a fact. FACT.
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I poop well, actually.
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once again, it was poor word choiceage on my part. cross out hypothetically, change it to actually. since you know, it's a fact. FACT.
...that's not what a "fact" is, fyi

Also, "choiceage"
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...that's not what a "fact" is, fyi

Also, "choiceage"
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