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Old 02-11-2012, 09:13 AM   #1
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Old 02-11-2012, 09:48 AM   #2
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Luck fits a standard conventional type of offense since he played in one for 4 years, but Griffin is no lock to make such an adjustment since he did not.
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I don't even have to read the article to know the premis is wrong. Griffin is in no way like Leaf. He's not a head case, he's smart and motivated. He's not going to flake out like Leaf. Stupid comparison IMHO.
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Old 02-11-2012, 10:01 AM   #4
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I love seeing the hype machine kick in. The draft is about playing the odds, and the odds of Luck becoming a franchise quarterback are much higher than RGIII. It's that simple. But, every year there will be a small army of scouts and "experts" that fall over themselves convincing each other that the most proven prospect has some deep flaws which will prevent them from becoming more than they were in college (and whatever they accomplished in college was never enough). In the end, barring any huge medical issues, Luck will be the #1.
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I don't even have to read the article to know the premis is wrong. Griffin is in no way like Leaf. He's not a head case, he's smart and motivated. He's not going to flake out like Leaf. Stupid comparison IMHO.
You should have read the article, because that's not what it was about.
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then the thread title should change, no?
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Old 02-11-2012, 10:05 AM   #7
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then the thread title should change, no?
NO, read the damn article. You're taking lazy to new heights... much like Ryan Leaf did...
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Old 02-11-2012, 10:13 AM   #8
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If I had pick I'd draft Luck but, RGIII will have everybody drooling by draft time. The NFL is open to RGIII type talent these days.

I even expect several rumors that Denver will move up and draft RGIII too.

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Old 02-11-2012, 10:28 AM   #9
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It's pretty simple. When was the last time a QB prospect was coached In college by an NFL head coach? When was the last time that prospect played in an NFL schemed offense? When was the last time that same prospect called his own plays in that NFL offense? Bunch that all together with a kid who stayed in school to get his degree instead of going pro. At a school you actually need to study in and not get grades handed to you like other schools.

I wouldn't not compare luck with RG3. He's Better. He's better than over half the starting QBs in the NFL right now.
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I just wish we had a QB that could make half the throws luck can make
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Ive watched Montana, Marino, Farve, Elway, Moon, Young all in person. Went to a lot of Stanford games last few years. I've never seen anyone with the footwork that Luck has. Moon might of had the best spiral out of all that bunch, but Luck is going to be something special. The Colts will now have another decade with a great QB.
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Old 02-11-2012, 11:25 AM   #12
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I just wish we had a QB that could make half the throws luck can make
Tebow's completion percentage is better than 35%, no?
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I just wish we had a QB that could make half the throws luck can make
Tebow can make and has made every throw you'd ever ask for in the NFL. His problem is doing it consistently. You never know if this is the time he throws a beautiful pass with nice spiral and perfect touch or if its going to be a wobbly duck that lands 10 feet short or 10 feet too high.
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NO, read the damn article. You're taking lazy to new heights... much like Ryan Leaf did...
I read the article and as others have stated, there's really no debate. Luck is a better overall pro prospect than Manning was. Whoever has the first pick of the draft will take Luck. As for RGIII, he's got all sorts of upside but no scout worth his pay will tell a team to take RGIII before Luck.

So again, not really a good comparison IMHO.
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I don't even have to read the article to know the premis is wrong. Griffin is in no way like Leaf. He's not a head case, he's smart and motivated. He's not going to flake out like Leaf. Stupid comparison IMHO.
RGIII grew up as a Denver Broncos fan. no way we could get him and we don't even know if we need him since Tebow may yet be the QBOTF, but RGIII would love the chance to play here.
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Tebow can make and has made every throw you'd ever ask for in the NFL. His problem is doing it consistently. You never know if this is the time he throws a beautiful pass with nice spiral and perfect touch or if its going to be a wobbly duck that lands 10 feet short or 10 feet too high.
Like for example an out route, where he completed one against the Steelers, but couldn't do it once during the regular season. He needs work on hook routes too.

Really anything that involves throwing the ball before the receiver makes his break, Tebow needs work on.
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Old 02-11-2012, 02:26 PM   #18
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both QB's will do very well in the pros. Luck will be similar to Aaron Rodgers, RGIII will be similar to Eagles version of Michael Vick.
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Tebow can make and has made every throw you'd ever ask for in the NFL. His problem is doing it consistently. You never know if this is the time he throws a beautiful pass with nice spiral and perfect touch or if its going to be a wobbly duck that lands 10 feet short or 10 feet too high.
He can't get the ball out fast, especially over the middle, when he needs to. He can't make the oh-so-critical hot read.

At least the way I see it, it doesn't appear he will ever be able to make that throw. And its critical in today's day and age. No matter what else he brings to the table, the defenses are going to key on that, and its a huge, wide open weakness.
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Like for example an out route, where he completed one against the Steelers, but couldn't do it once during the regular season. He needs work on hook routes too.

Really anything that involves throwing the ball before the receiver makes his break, Tebow needs work on.
He reminds of Jake, in that, I get nervous as hell every time he has to throw the ball.
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I'm a big fan of Andrew Luck.
I think he's going to be a fine QB no matter where he plays.

RGIII is also a good QB. I think the difference will be in where he plays at or the type of offense he'll be running.
It will take a special personnel (wr's) around him on offense to take advantage of his skills...
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I don't even have to read the article to know the premis is wrong. Griffin is in no way like Leaf. He's not a head case, he's smart and motivated. He's not going to flake out like Leaf. Stupid comparison IMHO.
Wait, you know RGIII personally? What's he like?
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Griffin is smarter and a much harder worker than Ryan Leaf.
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If I was Irsay, I would make this very easy on my GM. I would inform him that if he drafted RGIII over Andrew Luck with the number 1 overall pick that he would be fired before the second round of the draft.
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RG3 will make Cam Newton look like Akili Smith
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